Tru-start poll for DIv 1
 

Same as the other polls. Just looking to see what racers in other parts of the country feel about tru-start. This poll for Div 1 racers

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I think your poll got hacked by the Russians , you gota let more than 10 racers vote .

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Poll is for 10 days not 10 voters

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OK so none of these polls will show any meaningful results, because of they are not limited to any Larry,Ron or Mickey from voting. So I think you should re think you’re your approuch to this. I have tested the polls and was able to vote on any poll I want and did to test the waters. I ment to start a movement but it went sideways now. so you should just make one poll for all, non racers, racers and anybody that can log on here. if you want one with true results revisit how i did mine, it was for the racers of Stock/SuperStock by a racer of Stock.

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Refresh my memory on Tru-start, might be able to take poll

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Not sure we can find that information here...

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The poll was closed at 11:34AM....
I would imagine slower cars are a yes, faster cars would vote no.
Yes for me

Mike A114
P/SA

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Shows open until 12/27

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I read the other divisional posts, worse red light, sounds fair. You want to really even it up? Take out the heads up of same class too. Then you can't buy the race anymore.

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So much for class racing. That ends class racing. Why don't you go to your local track & just bracket race? I mean the rules are the rules, you don't like it, don't race.

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It now is a bracket race for maybe 90% of the time, if you want "class racing" run off the national records like before.

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Thanks Jeff

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Tru Start seems logical, based on worst, not first, breakout. It seems like it would be an equitable change that probably should have happened long ago.
Mike A114
P/SA

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So anybody that has a fast car, or wins a heads up is considered buying a race? That's a moronic statement. Let me guess your a bracket racer? Do you run an NHRA class car? If not your opinion is irrelevant. Have a nice day

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Gotta agree with you there Todd. Plus, the faster car doesn't always win........ Plenty of people can't hit the tree to save their lives......

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If you don't want a possible heads up race, then stay out of Stock, Super Stock and Comp!

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How did that work? Was every race basically a heads-up race with no breakout? Was your dial based-off the National Record for your class at that time? Curious as to how it worked back then.

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I remember in 1974-75 you ran off the National record with a tenth under breakout was allowed.
It was handicap racing, with the handicaps coming from the National record in your class

I think the index system came out in 1977 & if your car was faster than your given index
you were allowed to dial quicker, but not sure if you can dial different each round.
Don't think you were.

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You could run a tenth under the record except there was no breakout in the final in 1971.

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I liked that deal. In the heat, at slower tracks, not everybody could run the record. Mattered how fast you were. Kinda dumbed down now.

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So, someone shows-up with their U/SA capable of going .09 under their National Index. Unless his opponent hits the tree better or can go .10 under their National Index with the same light, the guy can't lose?

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Why would you think not? If he is the only car that can run that far under, and he is on time, how would he lose? Lower class cars won all the time. Very few could run so far under back then, at least around here, that there was not much "driving the stripe". A lot of the slow guys went bracket racing when that came along. Car counts went way down.
NHRA had to go to these slow indexes to draw the slow guys back. About any old thing will run under these indexes.

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The trouble with running off the records was basically two things. There was always somebody with a soft record and he would have a big advantage, and the flip side was somebody setting the record in mineshaft conditions hurting everybody else in the same class.

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Most were smart enough to not bomb the record, since they had to run off them. It was not that big a problem. Most I have talked to that raced back then, liked it better.

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Just wanted to make sure I understood how it was back then. I guess Class Racing was starting to die when too many people just felt uncompetitive and NHRA changed the way things ran. No more heads-up unless you were in the same class. Kept more people interested, otherwise Stock would look like Comp now, if it was even still around.....

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Only heads ups were between cars in the same class. Had none at national events because only class winners ran eliminations. I won my first points race, at slow track, running a tenth off the record. Didn't have a real close race all day.

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Do the guys not believing the vote was correct, expect it to be Yes by a large margin?
Is that why some believe it to be wrong? Or, just disappointed?

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For sure 4 people voted in multiple division once. That's 12 more votes that were counted towards the total. Don't know which way a couple of the 4 voted. I'm sure there are more that voted in multiple divisions then the 4 I know of. My disappointment was the lack of good faith in some. I didn't think I needed to write a rule book on voting.

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Ed,

I believe that it is human nature to lie, cheat and steal to make ones point of view prevail......

I have a belief that this poll is inaccurate as possible because there are no checks and balances to keep people honest.......

Just my real world and cynical point of view,
Bob

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I'm sure Bob was referring to both sides on this issue. Right Bob?

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That is correct everybody lies, cheats and steals on both sides of any issue in order to make their position relevant

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Wow!

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OK OK OK OK

Not everybody, but most

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You have to figure there are a few guys with an agenda that could really skew the results with such a relatively small sample. The thing is though, there probably were a few like that on both sides of it, so it balances out.
It appears to be a 50-50 issue now.
As I said before, that's a long way from about 6-7 years ago.
By the time it becomes official in S/SS, which won't be too much longer, most folks won't pay attention to it , or even care.

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Seems the slower class guys think they are at a disadvantage? If you cut a light, and run your number, what is a faster car going to do to you? I probably leave first most of the time. I prefer that, with the "clean tree". Lots of Hemi & 8 second hood scoop cars here in Div4. I don't spot that many cars unless I go to a Div 5 race. If I'm red, shame on me. I don't see NHRA spending money on that anyway, regardless of the vote. It was kind of pointless, wasn't it?

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No!
Been a good conversation.

D

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I think the whole thing has been useful, the conversation and the polling itself. It seems like opinion is pretty evenly split.

As a slow car racer though, all I really ask of the guys with the fast cars is Don't wreck! And if you do, please do it well before the finish line, I don't want to join in the action.

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NHRA won't spend any money.They will just mandate that the Divisional tracks have the system.
At that point, I'm sure they can get a deal on the one (1) system they will need.