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Tom Moock 04-02-2017 06:44 PM

Question on Hoods
 
If 69 Camaro`s have to run correct hood, Why don`t 69 Chevelle with 396 have to run correct Super Sport hood? All 396, 325 hp. & 350 hp. came only SS from the factory.

Painter 04-02-2017 08:00 PM

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I dont even see SS listed for 69 Chevelles. It lists sport, but it also lists that for a four door. Irregardless to that, there is no advantage one way or the other on the Chevelle hoods. The cowl hood on the 69 Camaros on the other hand provides additional clearance over the carb.

larrylomascolo 04-02-2017 08:15 PM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
No fresh air advantage with 68,69 chevelle s,louvers are for looks only

Mark Yacavone 04-02-2017 09:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by larrylomascolo (Post 531285)
No fresh air advantage with 68,69 chevelle s,louvers are for looks only

Larry, That would not be the point here.
Try running a 67-69 Camaro or a 68 Chevy II or a 69 Nova, 350/300/295, without the fake louvers /vents on the hood, and let me know how far you get.

Monte Howard 04-02-2017 10:29 PM

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I have a 67 Camaro with 295/350 the louvers on my hood are for looks only. They do nothing.

Jody Lang 04-02-2017 11:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 531289)
Larry, That would not be the point here.
Try running a 67-69 Camaro or a 68 Chevy II or a 69 Nova, 350/300/295, without the fake louvers /vents on the hood, and let me know how far you get.

Mark, in this 2017 version of rules enforcement, what exactly would they do? Just curious....

Mark Yacavone 04-02-2017 11:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jody Lang (Post 531307)
Mark, in this 2017 version of rules enforcement, what exactly would they do? Just curious....

Yeah, I know . I was going to make a similar comment.
Thought I'd just post what was, in the good old days.

Painter 04-03-2017 06:33 AM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
68 Chevy 11, 69 Nova was available with the 350-295/300 in the base car without the louvers. Been running them off and on for a long time. Never had any comments about it.

Alan Nyhus 04-03-2017 07:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Moock (Post 531281)
If 69 Camaro`s have to run correct hood, Why don`t 69 Chevelle with 396 have to run correct Super Sport hood? All 396, 325 hp. & 350 hp. came only SS from the factory.

The correct hood for any '69 Chevelle with a 396 is the Super Sport hood, as the 396 was only available with the Super Sport option. -Al

Alan Nyhus 04-03-2017 07:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 531289)
Larry, That would not be the point here.
Try running a 67-69 Camaro or a 68 Chevy II or a 69 Nova, 350/300/295, without the fake louvers /vents on the hood, and let me know how far you get.

Mark, you didn't need the Super Sport option for any of the small blocks in the '68 and up Novas. The Super Sport package was an added option, not a requirement with any of the small block engines. Therefor, a louvered hood hood is not a requirement for a small block Nova of that vintage. -Al

James Perrone 04-03-2017 09:04 AM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
Is this the Golf Channel. Monday morning quarterbacking

Mark Yacavone 04-03-2017 12:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Nyhus (Post 531321)
Mark, you didn't need the Super Sport option for any of the small blocks in the '68 and up Novas. The Super Sport package was an added option, not a requirement with any of the small block engines. Therefor, a louvered hood hood is not a requirement for a small block Nova of that vintage. -Al

Alan, Painter , I believe you are correct about the Novas, now that I think about it. The SS louvers are the same part as the ones on the 67 Camaros.

My friend, back in the 70's, had a 68 Camaro, 350 / 295 , base model , Powerglide, column shift, bench seat , small hubcaps. It had the square vent looking things on the hood.
I'll stand by my comment about Camaros.

nolongerracing 04-03-2017 12:33 PM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tom moock (Post 531281)
if 69 camaro`s have to run correct hood, why don`t 69 chevelle with 396 have to run correct super sport hood? All 396, 325 hp. & 350 hp. Came only ss from the factory.

Weight !!!

my69396 04-03-2017 01:11 PM

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I was under the impression that the only way to get a 295/350 in 67-69 in Camaros and 68-69 Nova was as part of the SS package. In the Camaros the 275/327 and 255/327 were available and in the Nova was 275/327 and 325/327 but you couldn't gat any of those packages in a SS.

Bryan Worner 04-03-2017 01:13 PM

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Who cares if louvers are vented or closed, if they are part of the "correct hood" for the combination/class being run, they are supposed to be on that car!

I could not run SS/JA with my combo at the beginning of 2015 because I did not have the louvered hood, which made my car an IROC or Z28. The louvers are non functional, just cosmetic. But, that's the proper hood so I bought one so I could legally run that class.

Jeff Niceswanger 04-03-2017 04:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner (Post 531344)
Who cares if louvers are vented or closed, if they are part of the "correct hood" for the combination/class being run, they are supposed to be on that car!

I could not run SS/JA with my combo at the beginning of 2015 because I did not have the louvered hood, which made my car an IROC or Z28. The louvers are non functional, just cosmetic. But, that's the proper hood so I bought one so I could legally run that class.

And so did Lincoln and myself ..... That's when I found out how much paint had went up since the last time I purchased it .. over a thousand bucks in PAINT ... For a hood that won't pick ya up a nickel ..

Tony Janes 04-03-2017 06:17 PM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
69 Chevelle any hood with 396, 68 396 Chevelle SS only.

Mark Yacavone 04-03-2017 08:20 PM

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It appears that Tony is correct on this one.



Jim Meador 04-03-2017 09:02 PM

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Thank you Tony, and yes you are of course correct. Seems when the Whale qualified in the bottom half (at the drivers discretion) while winning 14 national events all those years ago no one paid any attention ! Now the key board jockeys can move on and look for some new bull **** to dissect.

Chipper Chapman 04-03-2017 09:14 PM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
Glad someone else brought this up! I'm building a 396/375 for my 69 and really don't want to spend 600 on a hood and then try to match 20 year old paint if I don't have have to. I noticed the lack of 'Super Sport' being defined in the guide for 69. Has anyone other than Tony had personal experience?

Jim Hawkins 04-04-2017 06:38 PM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
So if I replace the 327 in my 67 camaro with a 350 I need to change to the SS hood? I am sure I have seen 67-68 350 cars running a plain flat hood.
How about vinyl graphics of the fake louvers?
Now that I think about it my 67 has SS emblems on the grille and gas cap and I run a 327. I know this stuff use to matter, but now?

Wayne W 04-04-2017 06:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 531337)
Alan, Painter , I believe you are correct about the Novas, now that I think about it. The SS louvers are the same part as the ones on the 67 Camaros.

My friend, back in the 70's, had a 68 Camaro, 350 / 295 , base model , Powerglide, column shift, bench seat , small hubcaps. It had the square vent looking things on the hood.
I'll stand by my comment about Camaros.

Mark 68 Camaros had early and late hood trim . The square fake vents were the later type. The same with Z-28 emblems early 68s just said 302 while the late cars said Z-28.

Tim H 04-04-2017 08:17 PM

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I thought the square "ducts" were for BB Camaro's and the "finned" lower profile grille hoods were for SB Camaros in 1967 and 1968.

Mark Yacavone 04-04-2017 09:00 PM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim H (Post 531427)
I thought the square "ducts" were for BB Camaro's and the "finned" lower profile grille hoods were for SB Camaros in 1967 and 1968.

Nope..Not in the example I gave earlier. Was there ..Hands on.
Base 68 Camaro, 295 hp, duct looking things on the hood.
I realize people will tell you otherwise on the 'net..Take that for what it's worth.

Mark Yacavone 04-04-2017 09:05 PM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne W (Post 531423)
Mark 68 Camaros had early and late hood trim . The square fake vents were the later type. The same with Z-28 emblems early 68s just said 302 while the late cars said Z-28.

Okay, so now a 68 295 hp could have either type?
I don't remember the build date on my example, so I can't debate that one.

Frank Bialas 04-04-2017 09:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim H (Post 531427)
I thought the square "ducts" were for BB Camaro's and the "finned" lower profile grille hoods were for SB Camaros in 1967 and 1968.

Wake up, coming from a mope that sorta remembers a little bit square pipes on a RS with hide away headlites no matter motor???

Tim H 04-04-2017 09:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 531429)
Nope..Not in the example I gave earlier. Was there ..Hands on.
Base 68 Camaro, 295 hp, duct looking things on the hood.
I realize people will tell you otherwise on the 'net..Take that for what it's worth.

According to Ray Miller's book, Camaro ! Chevy's Classy Chassis "Special big engine hood,used in 1968 only with the 396 cu.in. engine option. Dual stack type hood escutcheons are visible evidence of 396 engine. Other engines were provided with "louvered" hood".
In other words 1967 BB SS would have had louvered/finned hood,but 1968 BB SS cars could only have the chunky grate style.

Tim H 04-04-2017 09:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Bialas (Post 531434)
Wake up, coming from a mope that sorta remembers a little bit square pipes on a RS with hide away headlites no matter motor???

Not really sure what you mean?

Frank Bialas 04-04-2017 10:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tim h (Post 531438)
not really sure what you mean?

had a friend with a68/69/70's nova factory high hp with raised hood/louver/pipes, also had a buddy factory not sure 67 or 68 camaro square pipes on a rs ss with hideaway headlites i think it was a 302 rateded high hp, anyway check with the guru in md. Jerry macneich!!!

Ed Carpenter 04-04-2017 10:35 PM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
After reading this thread I have no idea what hood belongs on what lol.......

Wayne W 04-04-2017 10:58 PM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
I worked in a GM Dealership Parts Dept. The parts book showed both in the diagrams. The louver difference was early and late production. I wish I still had my old parts book that I could scan. I think the change was in Mar of 68

And after I typed this I read the difference was Big Block vs Small Block Cars. But my parts book did not read that way.

Mark Yacavone 04-04-2017 10:59 PM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter (Post 531443)
After reading this thread I have no idea what hood belongs on what lol.......

Me neither, Ed , and I had at least two of the cars in question.

FED 387 04-04-2017 11:34 PM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
67 cars got the fins---ALL 68 bb cars got the planter louvers--68 sbc cars got the fins til mid year then ALL big or small block cars got the planter style louvers---ALL 69 cars got the same planter louvers no difference whether big or small block engines-FED387

Mark Yacavone 04-05-2017 12:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FED 387 (Post 531451)
67 cars got the fins---ALL 68 bb cars got the planter louvers--68 sbc cars got the fins til mid year then ALL big or small block cars got the planter style louvers---ALL 69 cars got the same planter louvers no difference whether big or small block engines-FED387

Now this all fits together.Might have to sign off on this one, Dick.
So, only way to get a 350 or 396 in 67 , is as an SS, right?
Jim Hawkins would have to change the hood to run a 350..At least it used to be that way. Today, who knows?

john kunsak 04-05-2017 01:27 AM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
f rom CHEVROLET MOTOR DIVISION august 1971 edition----group 8.000 hood panel---68 chevelle [exc ss] #3940657. ss #3940660 69 chevelle [exc 396] #3940631 396 #3940632. the difference between 68&69 hoods is the location of one of the hinge bolt holes. the 68&69 hood grilles are the same part#.in 68 the ss cars were a separate model #13827 sport cp #13867 conv. in 69 there was no separate model ss just a ss pkg line item option like ac auto trans. etc . as the above part #'s state was part of the 396 pkg added to the base malibu.the copo 427 option wasnt listed in the parts book but when we built one for a/s in 1974 we had to run the 396 hood. the67-69 camaro flat hood #3938617 is listed[exc.350-396] 67 camaro #3909158 w/350-396. 68-9 #3938619 350-396 exc spec ducted hood.hope this helps. this part # info isnt from some reprint book,but a real gm hand me down from crivelli in 1972

Dave Gantz 04-05-2017 11:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter (Post 531443)
After reading this thread I have no idea what hood belongs on what lol.......

NHRA will solve this problem...'glass hoods for everyone!

James L Miller 04-05-2017 01:50 PM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Gantz (Post 531464)
NHRA will solve this problem...'glass hoods for everyone!

Does that mean the 1968 Hemi SS hoods are legal on the 1968 Darts and Barracudas? Do they have to be fiberglass, or can they be carbon fiber replicas? I think that would be nice to have with a 273 2bbl. That might motivate me to change from the 1966 Dart to a 1968.☺

Jeff Stout 04-05-2017 03:49 PM

Re: Question on Hoods
 
Is a flat hood correct for 88 Olds Vista Cruiser? Just making sure Im legal

Hacksaw 04-05-2017 07:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 531483)
Is a flat hood correct for 88 Olds Vista Cruiser? Just making sure Im legal

It is the glass in the roof you should be worried about. Too dark of tint, and your bounced.

Jeff Stout 04-05-2017 08:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hacksaw (Post 531493)
it is the glass in the roof you should be worried about. Too dark of tint, and your bounced.

lol


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