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22 428 A/SA Kevin Helms, Schriever LA, '13 Challenger 10.157 11.00 -0.843

I thought new cars couldn't run in traditional classes anymore. I've been known to wrong before.

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I don't think that's a Drag Pack. It's an actual showroom combo. It's like Jeff's.

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Should be OK if Dodge turned in the specs for production car , This is a Challenger not a Drag Pak , I think

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None of these new cars, whether they are drag packs, copos, mustangs or off the show room floor should be in anything other than FS .. There is really not that much difference between the two other than specs. The technology is the same. Old iron cannot compete. Bailey, where are you on this? Still spending money & having fun .... I think

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So you guys don't want production cars and combos in regular stk?
Why does the year the car was made matter?
I personal think all the combos should be in regular stk and just get rid of FS all together. there are to many class as it is.

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Disagree C-Bob. All new cars should be in FS, including those Dodges. It was stated in the rules...2008 or newer.

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you guys better read it closer
FS is only for 2008-2017 COPO ,DP's and Cobra Jets (no Street cars)
1955-2017 Street cars stay in regular stock and superstock as they should.

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I wasn't trying to start anything just asked a question. I.just thought all 2008 and newer were moved to FS.

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^^ this

Only VIN-less --non street legal cars in FS.



It should read 2008 and newer non street legal cars.

All production line cars with VINs are "street" cars and thus would fall into "traditional" Stock classes, regardless of year

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I did say was...

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Nothing new here - just more bogus Horsepower and weight numbers with a fake hood here and there. Oh and now the OEM's want to sell us their crate motors for Stock. Some how this crate motor deal is offered as a way to save Stock. Stock is doing just fine without the greedy OEM's stomping on it. And it could do much better if nhra would stop trying to ruin it.

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Let me ask a question here, please.
The Drag Paks came with a trailer axle stuck under the back, just so they would roll around, yes?
The new Challenger street legal cars came with an independent rear suspension, yes?
So the VIN cars would have to use remnants of the original swing arm, plus the same original mounting points as the IRS. You know, like the early Corvettes have to do, yes?

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IRS Corvettes are allowed to use a solid rearend, 12 bolts.

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"plus the same original mounting points as the IRS. You know, like the early Corvettes have to do, yes?"

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The IRS Vettes are allowed the solid rear housing, but it has to meet the specs on flange width and on the mounting points of the IRS swing arms. The cross spring even had to be mounted in a position close to stock. Shock location and mounting points were supposed to be in or near stock location. It was that way at one time. How do I know? I started jumping through all the hoops to build one in very legal form. (2001)
Who is to say what it is like now.

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I'm thinking a precedent has been set. It's also been set with the use of TH400 and glides in non GM vehicles and a 9" ford rear in a copo. The doors are open.

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The only different is they change the glass & add glove box in drag pack car and the motor is out of a street car. Rule book says no 4 bar set up in normal stock. That is what I was told, I`m no expert on this.

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Hate to say I told you so ...But, "I TOLD YOU SO". ... Eight years ago when Mopar announced the Drag Pac factory race car, ( This was before the Cobra Jet and Copo ), - I SAID," This is a perfect time for NHRA to make AA/Stock an all paper car class. These factory built race cars - Shelbys, Nascar Hemi's, and ALL FACTORY BUILT RACE CARS, should ONLY be able to run AA/Stock. -"You all laughed"...! Four years ago - I SAID, " If you guys think that Factory Built Race Cars will be kept out of conventional Stock Eliminator you're examining your tonsils from your back side, AND, you won't wake up until there's a under factored new car in your class."You all laughed". (That guy's smelt too many nitro fumes they said)... Well here we are!.....And this isn't over by a long shot ... The Copo's aren't even involved -YET- with their showroom engine combos ------ If you can't beat 'em , join 'em.

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It's all just turned into ET-2 anyway. No more tech, no more teardowns, not even any acknowledgement of National Records. Next is going to be Edelbrock intakes for everybody! And I told you so on that one.

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They're changing the terminology, it's a "Strange" rear, not a Ford, same with the 700 cu in "Chevy" engines, no more, they're called Sonnys or whoever built them, there's no factory parts on them anymore they say, same with the trans, ATI whatever. What I'm saying is there's no specific factory products anymore just use the "racing" part on your car. Three guesses on how this started, can we say NHRA sponsors. Im not to concerned on what they let run, just put the right HP on them from the start, most, if not all, are way to soft. Look at what cars are usually the #1 qualifiers
Mike

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And in typical NHRA fashion they stopped short in their rule proposal / writing, leaving a grey area for Racers to exploit ; What would have be wrong with :

FS is only for 2008-2017 COPO, Drag Paks, and Cobra Jets, identified by their production/build plate...( no street cars )
1955-2017 Street Cars with factory vin numbers stay in conventional stock or super stock (as they should) Show room Camaros, Challengers, and Mustangs with NHRA approved engine combinations included. All combos must meet NHRA's stock specs for year, make, and model, including suspension, and safety per the NHRA rulebook. *
* No COPO's, Drag Paks, or Cobra Jets in conventional (AA -V) stock classes.

Maybe that's a little to clear.

The problem with "Stock Elim " today is - it's not about doing the right thing, or correct parts, or even what's correct ethically. ... it's about what you can get approved. That's a simple money trail .... follow the money trail ... you'll always find your answer.

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You guys are a little slow - kevin has been running the combination all year.

Wait until you find out what other surprises are lurking in the class guide.

Ford and Chevrolet will not be far behind.

Let the games begin.


Ron

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You bet ur ***** it is. There is not an A car on the planet that can run with an FS car in AA or any other class. Write and Write NHRA some more. Bend some ears!

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I'm not completely thrilled with the idea, but if it is a legitimate production street combination, a car that meets ALL federal emissions and safety standards, sold to the general public to be driven on public roads, put it in the guide to run regular classes.

The rules are the rules. Now, rate them reasonable. Not soft, but not so hard that no one will build one.

But the factory race cars need to be in their own division of Super Stock, or Comp.

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There you go.
The VIN thing is not even an issue to me. There are still plenty of 307 Cutlasses around with no VIN.

But... The (former FX) cars should go by the same exact rules as the pre- 2008 cars, of all makes and models.

I guess I'm not going to get an answer to my previous questions. I also guess that IS the answer.

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I looked up a 2015 Camaro in the class guide. If they came with a V6 to be street legal, how come these engines are not in the guide to run in a Regular Stock Class ???
I think that ALL CARS NEWER than 2008 should be in an FS Class.

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There are cars with a VIN in factory stock too

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Why?

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Is this the pink car with the 392 in it?

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I was told by a d1 tech that no drag pak car could race in conventional stock with a conventional stock motor because of the front suspension is not the same as the cars coming off the production line .

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It would be great if they listed all combos from 55-60 and not just chevy.

Ron.

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This not a Dragpak it is a showroom Challenger.

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This is from Joseph Teuton from last year.

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How about the blue one?

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Joseph Teuton, stated the pink car had no vin. and had the same rear end setup as drag pack, so it must have started out as drag pack car.

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did mopar sell bodies in white?

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Alan,
Do these Stock Eliminator cars race at the real street car weight or has Chrysler provided NHRA a fictitious much lighter weight?
Do they run factory suspensions or do they have 4 links like the DragPak cars?

My car enthusiast friends do wonder why the DragPaks, Cobra Jets, and COPO's are not in Super Stock as they were never street legal cars and feel the new cars should be in the Factory Stock class (or another name) because the differences between racing a 1969 car and a 2017 are immense.

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Shipping weight is 3600 lbs 402 hp.

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Run the class off national records will solve all this...no more "soft" HP, no more playing with the gas and hitting the brakes to "protect" the "soft" index

Once someone runs it out the back door the rest will follow....My question is...are we RACING here or playing games?

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Jeff was kind enough to let us use the car for our 2015 fall western swing. It was the Breast Cancer Awareness Car. We made it to the fifth round. In round five we raced Scott Burton heads up in B/SA and he beat the snot out of us. He was faster all the way down the track. I think the power on the 392 was at 389 hp, not the 402 hp that its rated at today. The car has very comfortable seats, they are so comfortable you could take a nap in them just like I did. It has full factory glass, power windows that work, hinged non Drag Pack hood with inside release, outside rear view mirrors, full dash, factory intake system ( its a one barrel ), and a killer sound system @ 7000 RPM. The biggest problem I see is it is very difficult to get the car to minimum weight, Challengers are just big cars.