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Lew Silverman 05-22-2017 01:20 PM

New addition to the Classification Guide
 
NHRA added a 2015-17 Dodge Challenger to the Classification Guide last week. 600 horsepower at a 4500 pound minimum weight.

Just a few questions - Is this the "Hellcat", and if so what happened to the other 107 "advertised horsepower" that we've been reading about? Is this a "red-key" vs. "black-key" thing, and if so, how will it be policed?

Not trying to start a heated discussion here, just wondered how they came up with this combination that will run as a "regular" stocker.

ss3011 05-22-2017 03:04 PM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
4500/600=7.5 AA/SA 4500/707=6.36, No natural class , bump down one class and there still isn't a class . It still better has some good brakes to stop a 4800 lb car from 120+ mph !

ALMACK 05-22-2017 03:35 PM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew Silverman (Post 535281)
NHRA added a 2015-17 Dodge Challenger to the Classification Guide last week. 600 horsepower at a 4500 pound minimum weight.

Just a few questions - Is this the "Hellcat", and if so what happened to the other 107 "advertised horsepower" that we've been reading about? Is this a "red-key" vs. "black-key" thing, and if so, how will it be policed?

Not trying to start a heated discussion here, just wondered how they came up with this combination that will run as a "regular" stocker.

Sounds like a production Hellcat to me

ALMACK 05-22-2017 03:39 PM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ss3011 (Post 535292)
4500/600=7.5 AA/SA 4500/707=6.36, No natural class , bump down one class and there still isn't a class . It still better has some good brakes to stop a 4800 lb car from 120+ mph !

The Hellcat from the factory has 15.4 inch diameter front brakes and 13.8 diameter rears.

I would think they can handle the job.

However, drag racers being drag racers looking to shave rotational weight, those big brakes will probably disappear and smaller lightweight 12 in.brakes will appear....lol


https://blog.dodge.com/wp-content/up...t-Brakes-1.jpg

denbreeden 05-22-2017 04:28 PM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
They have awesome brakes.

MEXJOE 05-22-2017 05:17 PM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
geee I wonder who took the time to orchestrate this fine happening.
Are the new Camaro & Corvette ALSO included in this party?
What about the Super Snake Mustang. Heck! lets get that new Ford/ Shelby truck in too.

ROCK ON!!!!

340Cuda 05-23-2017 09:15 AM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denbreeden (Post 535308)
They have awesome brakes.

Which, as I understand it, severely limits the choices for slicks.

I wonder what they are going to do with the Demon, AAAA/SA?.

Michael Beard 05-23-2017 09:20 AM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Still waiting for the 632ci Procharged dragster with a Chevy/Ford/Mopar emblem on the nose that they call a "Factory Race Car".

Tim Kish 05-23-2017 09:32 AM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Per NHRA guide the Hellcat is rated 60hp higher, weighs 1050lbs more and in reality makes far less HP than the Supercharged DragPak. Unlikely anyone will ever feel the need to build a real Hellcat as a class car.

Dave Muller 05-23-2017 11:39 AM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 340Cuda (Post 535383)
Which, as I understand it, severely limits the choices for slicks.

I wonder what they are going to do with the Demon, AAAA/SA?.

I like that, AAAA/SA. Sounds like The Fonz took up drag racing.

Irace007 05-23-2017 01:16 PM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by michael beard (Post 535385)
still waiting for the 632ci procharged dragster with a chevy/ford/mopar emblem on the nose that they call a "factory race car".

now that's funny.............but almost true

Jeff Teuton 05-23-2017 04:13 PM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Next Year 6.0 lb/hp, 6.5 lb/hp, 7.00 lb/hp

jimi 05-23-2017 10:29 PM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 535424)
Next Year 6.0 lb/hp, 6.5 lb/hp, 7.00 lb/hp

For 2008 and newer or carburetor cars?

Jeff Teuton 05-24-2017 12:51 AM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
What I mean is 6, 6.5, and 7 for regular stock classes same as the F/S numbers which I think are those numbers. Takes them and others coming right out of existing classes.
We have a damaged Hellcat thatwould be fine in stock eliminator.Does not affect anything at all.

George Fitzpatrick 05-24-2017 09:59 AM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Muller (Post 535401)
I like that, AAAA/SA. Sounds like The Fonz took up drag racing.

Now that's funny

ss3011 05-24-2017 10:04 AM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 535424)
Next Year 6.0 lb/hp, 6.5 lb/hp, 7.00 lb/hp

Time to get in the Lettering Business, because every ones car gets a new class .

Bobby DiDomenico 05-24-2017 10:19 AM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ss3011 (Post 535292)
4500/600=7.5 AA/SA 4500/707=6.36, No natural class , bump down one class and there still isn't a class . It still better has some good brakes to stop a 4800 lb car from 120+ mph !

How much energy is in a 4,800 hundred pound car moving at nearly 130 MPH?

ALMACK 05-24-2017 12:07 PM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Muller (Post 535401)
I like that, AAAA/SA. Sounds like The Fonz took up drag racing.

^^ LOL

That's a lot of A's !

To save on letter space they could go with A4/SA :D

Barry Polley 05-24-2017 01:21 PM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew Silverman (Post 535281)
NHRA added a 2015-17 Dodge Challenger to the Classification Guide last week. 600 horsepower at a 4500 pound minimum weight.

Just a few questions - Is this the "Hellcat", and if so what happened to the other 107 "advertised horsepower" that we've been reading about? Is this a "red-key" vs. "black-key" thing, and if so, how will it be policed?

Not trying to start a heated discussion here, just wondered how they came up with this combination that will run as a "regular" stocker.


Great point Lew! Any class should never get to go below advertised HP. Pretty obvious its happening in a bunch of classes.. Looking for power on paper rather than the old fashioned way.

Mike Comp T/A #57 06-21-2017 11:57 AM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
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Originally Posted by Bobby DiDomenico (Post 535482)
How much energy is in a 4,800 hundred pound car moving at nearly 130 MPH?

4815 lbs with me in the seat

Coleydog 06-21-2017 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Comp T/A #57 (Post 537951)
4815 lbs with me in the seat

I have an SRT, where do they put that weight? The sheet metal is so thin I have to watch where I touch or lean on the car. That's 1,800 pounds more than my 70 340 stock Duster before I add weight.

Jeff Stout 06-21-2017 01:41 PM

Re: New addition to the Classification Guide
 
Srt 8 Magnum was 4602 with 195 driver. Still ran 13.08 at 108 crossing finish line in third gear. Little nitrous and 11.87 at 121. Car was a blast until rear ended and destroyed


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