Let's have a discussion about setting records
 

Nevermind this isn't worth the the trouble its bringing me. Try to do something positive and people **** all over it.

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Anyone else notice that National Dragster no longer lists the 1/4 mile records ?

Years ago the 1/8th mile records disappeared.
Now the 1/4 records...:(

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I very much like the idea of creating some inventive to set records and qualify well

As you probably know in the "old days" you were awarded points as your example for qualifying. When they went to the 10pts per round win rather than 100pts they eluminated it as I assume they felt it was weighted to heavily towards qualifying. As an example you could earn the equivalent points of being runner up at a race by qualifying number 1 eight times.

Perhaps the same system with fractional points i.e. 1.6 for number 1 1.5 number 2 etc.

Also a smaller number of points for records.

Perhaps in a more perfect world some of the manufacturers could pay contingency for records lol

I like the direction of your thinking.

Mike

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Records are made to be broken, not to expire.

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I agree Ed, I hate to see all those minimums as well. Yes George, they should stay until someone else takes it!! I know it's work tearing them down, I don't mind a little work occasionally.

Ernie Neal
SS 354 and GT/H record holder

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Mopar is paying $500 for setting a record this year, that's a great start. That may be for Drag Paks only, I will have to read it again. I plan on collecting at the next National Open. I like Ed's thoughts on qualifying as well, we are supposed to be all about performance.


Dennis Breeden

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember way back in ancient history that National Record Holders got a Gold Card. Now, there's some incentive!

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As often as horsepower is being refactored on some combinations, what happens to the record when a car gets bumped into another class?

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They are supposed to be returned to a minimum , if the car weight , at the time of record setting, is less than required at present.
However, I've seen examples recently where they were just allowed to expire.
I'd be okay with "forever" records, if the hp and weight changes were policed like Farmer would have done.

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Ed, I'm so glad you started this thread, I was just looking at all the minimums and thinking how sad!!! First would be at least getting NHRA to relist them back in ND.





Bret Velde
2003 SS/LA

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How about if you set a record you automatically get an entry to any National event you sign up for!! No matter how many grade points it takes to get in.







Bret Velde
2003 SS/LA

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At the very least, get rid of the 2 year rule, a record is a record. What other sport has an expiration date on records?

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I like Ed's original plan with Bretv's one allowed entry thrown in.
National records should be listed in every ND.
Pete

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Finally something that makes since i ed your idea is great

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lets see we have 4 nhra record's 1 one mile record
haven't paid for fuel (118) since 2010
haven't paid for engine blocks
haven't paid for engine component's
haven't paid for many other miscellaneous electronic & driveline parts
do records matter, hell yes to me
hang a gold card out there we'll set a record again
we'll go thru tear down and it takes us a little longer than
most (4 cam v8) So there are perks out there
as a group we can lobby by running for records the tech guy's will
love it (ya think).
sponsors like to say, we sponsor winning & record holding race cars.
records matter, of course will nhra do the right thing in keeping a nhra
tradition.will national dragster jump in and make things happen by doing a profile on record holders. sponsors would like to see a car they sponsor on a half page that could lead a sponsor to start advertising in N/D
THE TOOLS ARE THERE DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO
USE THEM
just my 2cents

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I never got one.

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When (been 13 years) I got the ND, that was the first page I went to, and not for the pro classes.

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I agree! Record setting should be rewarded in some way. Awarding points would help.If there was any incentive at all, it would be a positive move. Dennis, I like the idea of MOPAR stepping up, can you confirm this?

I don't expect NHRA executives to embrace the idea. I wish they would be more aware of racer interest at the sportsman level. I agree about sponsorship as well. If there was effort put in to it, anything is possible. I fear that since there seems to be a lack of understanding by NHRA execs about the sportsman performance classes, they would see this as an expense. I am not sure if anyone in Glendora knows what stock and superstock racers are all about. Anyone know the person at NHRA that would consider changes or improvements?

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From the 1981 rule book:

Additional points are awarded as follows:

50 points for establishing official class elapsed time record

25 points for establishing official class mile per hour record

Sportsman drivers are awarded points for only one elapsed time record and only one m.p.h. record during the course of the season, for a maximum of 75 record points.

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Correct me if I am wrong but you should only set a record at an 'Open'. If you set a record at a 'divisional' you would a) get a strike on your combo if it was faster than 1 under & b) get instant HP if you were 1.2 under. So I believe that takes away the desire to try to set records at 'divisional s'. That limits the races where records could be set. Since you get nothing for setting a record (other than HP) or getting credit for working hard on your combo, is it worth the cost & time of tearing down you engine?

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You'll have to dig into the NHRA's website to even find sportsman records. I recall there used to be a link off of the main site. Maybe I just missed it... Found the link hidden under the pro records. They could at least put the link back up on the main page at no cost to them. Motor going to dyno and should be back out soon.

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Took me 3 years to set the IHRA record (bad fuel, Hurricane -only 1 run)
but I finally got it done! You can't do it at divisonals - so only a few chances to set one.






1051 (former) NHRA IHRA record holder

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Of course I would like to be the first AH car in the teens which would be a HUGE record but I live and run where it is hot. I do get great satisfaction that I am 4 & 0 against the cold air racer that has the record and love stirring it up. Maybe he will read this and come to BG to shut me up. Thanks Al Gore for this venue. Formerly Phish

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It was the other way around for us. We always set records at the IHRA Pro-Am events, not national events. You'd teardown on Friday, have everything checked, then sealed when it went back together, and set records on Saturday.

You used to get 5 points for setting a record, which you could earn up to 2x per year. Myron Piatek and I used to bounce records back and forth by a few hundredths to get points. (except the one time we found a bad intake gasket during teardown... I tagged the J/CM 1/4-mile record more than intended, even lifting early! LOL)

There were a few championships decided on record points. Eventually they did away with them.

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http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...ar+contingency

Drag Pak's only

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Add to that you cannot set the 1/8th mile e.t. and mph record at 1/4 mile divisional races. ( which I do not understand since you are driving right past the 1/8th mi. timers anyways)

National Opens are the way to go for record setters, but unfortunately for racers at Div. 3 1/4 mi. tracks, that only leaves one per year now :(

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Wish they did not do that..
Setting a National Record is something the Fans GET !

Dan

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I'm going to put together a nice presentation and submit it to NHRA. It may be futile but I will try anyway. I will keep everyone posted. Thanks. Ed

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Great idea! The only catch is that class eliminations also need to prioritized, promoted, and/or showcased for it to work. If they're on the schedule for Friday at 11:00 am of a 3 day divisional and are the first thing to get axed when there's a rain delay...you won't draw as many fans and they won't have much of an impact.

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Thanks Ed, all you can do is try!




Bret Velde
2003 SS/LA

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So this conversation just morphed from Natl Record to running class elims at Divisional races, two separate issues....

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Sorry to have hi-jacked the thread

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Sorry

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I know NHRA wouldnt want to give up a entry fee to Nats for setting a record, but maybe a grade point for an entry into Nats for setting a record once. That way it helps a racer that cant make a far away divisional race just to get 1 more point to enter a Nat, now will be given that point for setting a record at a closer div race. Takes no money away from NHRA pockets.
I wish in time trials class cars could run each other for a show and good heads up racing, but I understand its tough to find like class cars in staging when making time trials.

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Not all divisions have 3 or 4 opens like others. This goes back to its a performance class but I don't want to run it all out......ugh.....

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I will take all idea's and write a formal letter and submit to Glendora this week. Thanks for the input.

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Having held 4 NHRA National records in four different cars, I feel I can attest to the value of accomplishing that feat.
Yes, we were able to attract sponsors. Yes, there were some psychological advantages in class eliminations. Yes, there were some hate letters ( some of those early records determined the class index for the Nation). Yes, it removed many suspicions about how the cars got so fast. An NHRA record teardown is,( or was), pretty damn thorough. Yes, it was easier to sell the cars and move on to the next project. However, for me, it was sharing with 2 or 3 other crew guys the exhilaration of accomplishing something that less than 1% ( a guess) of drag racers ever feel. Those records were the payback for the crew that I got as a winning driver...well sometimes a winning driver.
Glen Tinsley...retired

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I'm working on the record deal. Class at divisional was just an idea.

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I wasn't aware that I was bitching, and I'm not sitting on my butt, I thrash on my car on a daily basis trying to make it faster and have been running Divisional races on an ongoing basis for the past several decades. I have set National Records on numerous occasions (and am not particularly happy when they go back to minimum after two years). I'd love to run class at Divisional races, just saying the National Record issue and running class at Divisionals are two separate issues and should be dealt with on separate threads. Incidentally, Division 6 has a year end CIC type race sponsored by the Gaynors based on points accumulated during the season.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019