AHFS at Indy
 

Are they going to have the AHFS in play at this years Indy or is it going to be like last year?
Anyone know?

M.Lind

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No AHFS @ Indy

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Run as fast as you can!

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Coupling that with no tech and no teardown should make for an entertaining event.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell THAT to the guys who were chosen to be torn down.

Whoa, wait a minute, did I just defend the NHRA? I need a drink.

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Where was this posted?

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I called Pat in Feb, just curious
Sounded like a n every year deal

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If there's any race that should have the AHFS in place it's Indy. It's great to watch or race in a class where someone goes -1.40 vs someone -1.10 with no penalty (lol). But hay it's less paper work for Pat C the next week so who cares about anything else. Just wait ,INDY is all ready starting to loose its appeal to class racers.

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Hey Charlie, Indy lost it's appeal when they went to the fastest, regardless of class.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA run it out.

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Good place to teach ya, you ain't as fast as you thought you were. LOL
Can certainly be a humbling experience. If you changed anything, test it before you go.

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The 128 car Indy field use to be all class winners seated first and then the fastest qualifiers who did not win class were considered fill-ins. Back then a class winner was more important and all class winning cars were torn down to prove they were legal.

But times have changed and the whiners with deep pockets mean more to the big wigs than the little guy.

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Indy will always be the Pinnacle.

I don't buy the extra work comment since I thought this was requested by the racer's committee. Jeff?

Al Corda

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Charlie, I disagree I have been going to Indy for quite a number of years and having no ahfs there is the best thing nhra has done since the ahfs program was put into effect imo.

There has to be a place to run your car flatout with no penalty or whats the point of building it and what better place than Indy where it means something?

The majority of the racers that I talk to , that attend Indy, feel the same way.

Just my thoughts.

Mike

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INDY is the crown jewel ... wish some would stop tarnishing it ...

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I'm with Charlie. Come on man. If you can go better than 120.
You should get hit. Your at Indy in Indy air and can go that fast
Indy is run this way to protect " the huge investment in the new cars"
Let's be real. It's wat too hard to make old junk run 120. Ain't happening
I will stay away until they stop the bs with the shoot out cars
Can't make the shoot out You Should Go Home.!
New cars rule the super bowl of drag racing Old iron gets pushed aside.
Good Luck to all. Indy Is Broken. NEXT

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There needs to be a place to see what the cars can run, but they need to be taken apart. At least they could use the portion of the $330 an event they hit us for to find people to enforce rules. We all know we're never getting it back in purses or contingency anymore, so at least it could be spent on a couple more people to check legality.

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Why does an event have to exist that is immune from the application of a system that was designed and implemented to correctly and fairly factor combinations?

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Paradigm shift, that is a good question.

My short answer is because the system doesn't work.

Everyone knows how to project their combo and other than an accident now and then or the need to go fast for a headsup run in eliminations most do protect.

Nhra responded to a lot of race racers request that indy be a no bs run it out race like it used to be.

I love it and I'll be there.

Mike

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Protect their combo from what and from whom? The fans? NHRA?

Those who suffer from these deceptions are undoubtedly fellow racers.

Even when turned loose at Indy many competitors still refrain from displaying true performance capabilities.

Out of respect for Stock competitors and for the integrity of the Eliminator itself, cars must be factored accurately.

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Protect their combos from hp adjustments. I'm sorry I thought that was obvious.

Of course the racers are the ones that suffer from underfactored combos but they are playing by the rules they were given.

I'm 100% in favor of totally fair hp factoring but just like totally fair taxes I don't think it's possible. Lol

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You were obvious and my question goes beyond what is evident at face value.

Let's go deeper. Why would anyone be opposed to this adjustment when appropriate? What is to be gained and how?


I don't believe racers choose to compete in Stock with the understanding that they will have to deal with a blatant chasm between those that do and don't have appropriate factors, although that concern is certainly evident.

Who is ultimately responsible for the assurance of integrity of Stock Eliminator?

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The key words are " when aporopriate".
Both of my cars are pretty good examples of their paticular combo.

There are a number of cars that mine are faster than and probably just as many that are faster than me. So what's appropriate? Who gets hit first?

Would I like to go to Indy with my cars 50lbs lighter? Of course it gives me a better chance to win and makes me look smarter lol.

Nhra put the ahfs in so at least there was something to try to keep things from getting out of control. They as well as everyone else know it's not perfect.

I personally liked the old hp committee better but those days are gone so I'll play by the rules they give me.

Nhra and the racers are responsible for the integrity of the class and I like to think we're BOTH doing the best we can. Lol

Good discussion I've got to get back to work.

Mike

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Mike, I will see you at Indy bright and early on Wednesday August 28.

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Sorry folks, but if Indy was really Indy, there would be no AHFS, the field would consist of all class winners and the fastest others. The field would be like 96 cars which would cover all the classes and the other quick cars. Tear downs deemed by NHRA. Most of these cars have been through NHRA divisionals and opens. Caught cheating, banned for three years from competition and Indy. This is Indy, time for the bad boys, in all classes, not the fastest 128, that is so bogus. For you whiners that say well there is only one car in that class, well, build one for that class and quit your whining.

If you want to run, say, B/SA well, get ready Buster, there is a ton of people that want to run B/SA, fastest class winner gets in, period. Why not build a R-U/SA car that NHRA has factored so low that you will qualify easily in the top of the field. Still have to win class or be one of the fastest qualifiers.

This is Indy, go fast or go home, but it is a class race, let's not loose sight of that.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA been there done that.

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Let's not kid ourselves here.
For anyone who thinks they did this because a few guys with old cars asked for it,...it didn't happen.
A couple of concerned parties want to see FS run hard and fast .Therefore no AHFS for them.
The FS DNQ's then go into the real Stock Eliminator, after not having run under the same rules as everyone else.
Easiest fix? No AHFS for all.
Enjoy !

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The FS cars taking the top half the field at Indy is awful..Nhra doesn't seem to care About chrome bumper cars anymore..that said A/sa at Indy should
Be interesting

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Tuki, thanks for the heads up! I will instal the rubber bumpers on the Cuda and move into the 20th century.

All class runs at Indy are interesting!

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Nhra did this to protect the NEW FS. Cars
Let's be real these new car proved how fast they could in 2009
They went so fast they factored there way into SS real quick
Then went so fast they would all be comp cars.
Nhra mixed up some new kool aide for us to drink.
FS classes created to save all the bogus HP.
Every year more new cars appear. And more old cars GO HOME

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How about if you run in the FS Shootout, and don't qualify, you go home!! Not to the top of the regular Stock field!!! That would make lots of people happy! Or if not go home, go to the bottom of the Stock field!!

Patsy

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who in god's name are these people ?

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Talk all ya wanna about new cars the four entries in u/sa ei be the furthest under as s group 😎

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Amen Mike Cotton, I agree with you 100 %. Last time I was there I couldn't run my car hard because of the 1 under rule. There aren't many running that combo and I controlled my own destiny getting HP. James I look at your car and see that your missing a good tenth. Let me take it for a few months along with your wallet and I will bring it back going a lot faster. LOL Barry

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The Captain has spoken. That's probably a point no one wanted to hear.