AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Not even a mention here? Isnt this the quickest run ever by a traditional stocker?

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

It's a mopar, I'm impressed.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

awesome pass! imo these cars have a ton left in them.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Denny, I can't think of a quicker run by a traditional Stocker.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

"Got a Hemi in that?"

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Love em or hate em, in the traditional Stock/Superstock world, the Hemi is still king. The best of these cars were going close to 130 MPH back in 64, long before today's cam, ring and head technology.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Can someone post a photo of this car?

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

I think this is the same car?????

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCPh...=255404http://

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCPhoto.asp?ID=255404

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Not fair! Fast and beautiful!!

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Nicest Black Car out there!

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Is that the old Les Norton, Ronnie West, Jeff Teuton, Jim Bailey car?

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

That sure looks like the Bailey car. Was one of the cleanest cars around.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Here is a good read about it.

http://www.speedwaymotorsportsmagazine.com/A001059.php

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Beautiful car and an awesome run! Does anyone know if he runs the crossram or the single 4 barrel currently?

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

NO,Not the Norton car, Cross ram

Mark Madison

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Still looks great and fast.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Larry, I wouldn't go that far. I know of a black E/SA dart who's owner is as anal as I am. Thanks for the compliment Mark

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

That is amazingly quick.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Mark Madison is now on the Indy Stock entry list. AA/SA class eliminations should be very interesting. How about Mark Madison against John Cooper ('64 Thunderbolt) during AA/SA class eliminations. Wednesday August 30 can't get here fast enough!

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Or....maybe Mark Madison switches things up and goes to A instead.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

How cool would a five round race in A/SA be, "Way Cool"!

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Nope,Mark wants Todd Hoven with some of that Barton power. Should. Be interesting

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Sounds like a personal attack. Why does Mark think Todd will be in AA?

A/SA is the way to go for many reasons.

Run A/SA and put your money where your mouth is.

Both cars should go into the barn too so NHRA can compare parts to each other to make sure everyone is being honest.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

SHOTS FIRED!! Get low.
East coast Hemi Guru has just made Indy way more interesting!
NEXT!

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Yea, right that's classic. WHY in the hell would I educate you guys ?

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

This will interesting all around...

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

I think Mark's going there to run AA/SA plain and simple no personal attack just wants that AA trophy. If there's something wrong with that ambition, just let him know, he's a very understanding type of guy.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

I agree. What's the issue with choosing to compete in AA/SA?

A/S and A/SA automatic, while genuinely appealing, certainly don't have the significance that the classes once did. Not with "Stockers" that begin to approach the seven second zone.

I saw no inference or suggestion of a personal attack. Put another A on the window and jump in.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Mark has worked very hard to get this car where it is. AA or A its gonna run well. A should be fun as well with the 87 laid out last year I'll say with pretty good authority 🤐A gonna take 70,s to get it. Cords may be able to go 50, that's the beauty of Indy

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Are you serious? You think we're looking for an education by looking at your car? Give us more credit than that. I didn't mean let's put them side by side for us to compare, I meant for NHRA's eyes only. I can't believe you would even suggest that I would be trying to peak.

You need to relax. This may be a max effort deal for you which is great and I respect that. But keep in mind we simply rebuilt a bracket engine for Todd to race in Carp's car which happens to be respectively fast. Nothing more than that. Don't get me wrong, we'll give it all we got, but it's not like we spent all year trying to set the world on fire trying to beat Mark Madison.

My goal is to watch a good old fashion friendly drag race with some old cars. I hope to be able to watch most of it because I will be sucked into my own drama in the pits. If you come out a winner I will be one of the first to shake your hand. Good luck.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

superdart said..... Nope,Mark wants Todd Hoven with some of that Barton power. That sounds personal to me.

There is nothing wrong with AA. Running A/SA sounds more fun to me. More cars, more prizes, better index. I guess we'll see what everyone decides. Looks like it will be a lot of fun to watch. I hope somebody gets it all on video.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Just remember nobody, and I repeat nobody, needs to bypass protocol and go straight to triple dog dare you. Double dog dare is always before triple dog dare.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Oh my this is great I can’t wait to see this, makes me want to dust off the Hemi Cuda and bring her out and join the wars, oh wait she’s retired dam it I’ll just need to enjoy it on the side line.:D

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Apples and oranges here. Last time I followed up on these cars unless things have changed is Mark Madison AA/SA is a crossram car and the Carp/Barton car is single 4bbl car. If you want to throw in another car you have the Travis Hess/ Line car that is also a 4bbl car. How much of a difference does it make ? I don't build 'em . Don't know ! The fun and the money is in A/SA at Indy with the shootout. Everyone has their own agendas. Whatever class you run---Best of luck and safe racing !

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Hoven can't fit in A with out taking the cross ram off he had on at Cecil..Barton knows the single 4 cause he ran it when bombed the index at Indy when the combo first came out that's why our car is 3730 in A..it will be interesting in A or AA but no AA car is going to out run Marks

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Wrong. The P/W ratio is 7.57 making the car naturally fall into AA and you are allowed to drop down a class. When the combination hits 455 HP then it will be AA only.

When exactly did I "bomb" the combination at Indy? Show me the results. That has to be 10 years ago. I remember the combination getting slammed before it ever hit the track because others were complaining about it.

Which combination are you running? Iron or aluminum heads? Single 4 or crossram? Sounds like you're claiming the aluminum headed engine which carries extra weight. Put some iron heads on there and lose the weight. I guess it's easier to place the blame on me.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

Ok sorry I was mis informed..
No problem..it's 445 now..we may be AA only soon enough

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

My, my, my... you guys. Lol

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

David,
Everyone takes a shot at you because you are the baddest dude at the track and with that carries a target on your back. Relax and enjoy your success, you earned it the old fashioned way, hard work.
Indy is going to be very special this year.

Re: AA/SA Mark Madison, Seaside CA, '65 Belvedere 9.516
 

That's very true..and it's good for some good old fashioned
Who's the baddest talk once and a while..it keeps it fun and interesting? This is supposed to be fun after all? I'm just grateful to be there at Indy