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Dan Lattimore 09-05-2017 12:02 PM

Jason Line C/SA
 
If you're a BOP guy and have beat on these things all your life then you understand just how much effort it took to get this car to this performance level. It's a natural C car but at the top of it's break. Jason's not a little guy and I would venture to say it's plenty heavy for the class. 10.17 / 126 very impressive ------

nssracer 09-05-2017 12:07 PM

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Dan I agree, that Buick kicked my butt by .2 in the class finals. Jasons car is very fast....looks like Ive got work to do over the winter to speed my Cuda up.

Doug Duell

Jim Kaekel 09-05-2017 12:43 PM

Re: Jason Line C/SA
 
I always enjoy watching that car run. Very impressive to say the least. And it certainly doesn't have a "soft" horsepower rating.

bigshow2966 09-05-2017 12:51 PM

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That is truly amazing. I remember Fred Catlin struggling to run 11.teens and claiming he'd done everything he could.

Chris1529 09-05-2017 12:59 PM

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This is the Jason Line who builds and runs pro stock-right?

Jim Cimarolli 09-05-2017 01:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris1529 (Post 544311)
This is the Jason Line who builds and runs pro stock-right?

That is the man.

Duane Eiskant II 09-05-2017 01:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris1529 (Post 544311)
This is the Jason Line who builds and runs pro stock-right?

Yes it is
Chris and it's bad ***. Danny that's a pretty good stump pulled isn't it?

novassdude 09-05-2017 04:28 PM

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Jason is a very smart man. And one of the nicest people you could meet. I am glad he is getting to get the Buick out and play now and then.

Paul Precht 09-05-2017 05:13 PM

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Is it the 350 or 360 HP

Dave Ribeiro 09-05-2017 05:56 PM

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Paul, I don't know if it's 350 or 360 HP.... It's Very FAST & a Big Boat ?
Jason , Has done a great Job of getting that thing to Fly ... Yes, it leaves
with both front wheels high off the ground... Just un-real to see it leave !!
Also , One of the Big Fan Favorite's !!!!

SSDiv6 09-05-2017 06:01 PM

Re: Jason Line C/SA
 
Jason and Alf Weibe are close friends.
Jason's car has also been flogged by Alf and also has his suspension system.

Doug Walker 09-05-2017 07:11 PM

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Thursday August 31, 2017

Greg Hill 09-05-2017 07:37 PM

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I just looked at the classification guide and that motor is rated at 385 hp, unless I'm blind. Even more impressive than I thought.

nssracer 09-05-2017 07:57 PM

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https://www.facebook.com/dennis.bree...8293043851686/

jmcarter 09-05-2017 08:00 PM

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When he ran the D2 Divisional in Galot this year he was dialing in the 6:30's in the 1/8 mile so pretty easy to do the math. One BadA** Buick...

Coleydog 09-05-2017 08:31 PM

Re: Jason Line C/SA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Lattimore (Post 544303)
If you're a BOP guy and have beat on these things all your life then you understand just how much effort it took to get this car to this performance level. It's a natural C car but at the top of it's break. Jason's not a little guy and I would venture to say it's plenty heavy for the class. 10.17 / 126 very impressive ------

I remember a Dan Lattimore that ran a black Olds S/S around northern Va. back in the day, you?

Chuck Beach 09-05-2017 08:32 PM

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Jason told me that this was his 1st stock eliminator class trophy at the US Nats. Hard to believe cause that car has been very impressive since he started racing it. Congrates Jason !!

vic guilmino 09-05-2017 08:42 PM

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danny old was very bad i love to watch that car run

stage1scott 09-05-2017 10:25 PM

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What a car! anyone who has worked on them knows the cylinder blocks and oil system are positively antiquated by modern standards.
In C it is the 360 hp stage 1 and Jason was the stock world champion in that exact car in the 90s!
I read Jason has owned that car since high school

rx dealer 09-06-2017 09:31 AM

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What's even more impressive is that the 455 Buick last production year was 1976. I also remember Tom Rix running a 455 Buick in Top Stock... Luke SS 311

Bobby DiDomenico 09-06-2017 09:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rx dealer (Post 544411)
What's even more impressive is that the 455 Buick last production year was 1976 I also remember Tom Rix running a 455 Buick in Top Stock... Luke SS 311


Not only is the Buick stuff all really old junk yard parts, Buick never produced high performance versions of their castings that I recall. How quick would a stock 1970 GS 455 Stage 1 have been if it had come with plastic inner fenders, fiberglass hood, and aluminum wheels from Buick? At least they were smart enough to give it 15" wheels and fatter tires rather than F70 x 14's!

Dan Fahey 09-06-2017 11:00 AM

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Wow this was a nice bit of history...did Buick ever make a Stage II GS?

Remember a story of a clandestine money race between a Stage V GTO and a Buick GS Stage II or III a while back.

D

Carguy49 09-06-2017 11:42 AM

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Dan, I believe there were 2 Stage 2's built. One was raced by "Pop" Kennedy out of Reynolds Buick. Ran low 10's in S/Stock. This was in 1970 or 71. Someone help if I am incorrect. My mind doesn't remember as well as it used to.

By the way another 70 Buick Stage 1 is in the northwest and has been seen at 2 races. It is owned by Alf Weibe and is a stick shift car. It is running 10.50's so far but had engine troubles at Pacific Raceways (August race) and had to drop out of competition. Can you imagine the fun of a 4 speed behind all that torque???? WOW!!!!!!!

Dan Lattimore 09-06-2017 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Carguy49 (Post 544419)
Dan, I believe there were 2 Stage 2's built. One was raced by "Pop" Kennedy out of Reynolds Buick. Ran low 10's in S/Stock. This was in 1970 or 71. Someone help if I am incorrect. My mind doesn't remember as well as it used to.

By the way another 70 Buick Stage 1 is in the northwest and has been seen at 2 races. It is owned by Alf Weibe and is a stick shift car. It is running 10.50's so far but had engine troubles at Pacific Raceways (August race) and had to drop out of competition. Can you imagine the fun of a 4 speed behind all that torque???? WOW!!!!!!!

As a matter of fact ---- Yes I can --- 45 years ago :-)

Wayne Scraba 09-06-2017 01:36 PM

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Speaking of Alf's car (which he has owned and flogged in various classes for what seems like forever), does anyone have a current photo of it? I'm pretty sure Sean Cour repainted it and I'm betting Alf went right through it.

Lyn Smith 09-06-2017 01:38 PM

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Check out Vintage Buick Drag Cars face book page.Even has some pics of a east coast Pro Stock 70 Buick that ran back in the day.I think Jason bought his current GS from the Stephenson family back in the late 80s.It has come a long way since then.Stock Buick 455 blocks will only take about 600hp before they start to self destruct.If Jason could get a aftermarket 455 block approved,we could possibly see a 9.90 c/sa car in the future!!!!!

Steve Lackey 09-06-2017 02:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carguy49 (Post 544419)
Dan, I believe there were 2 Stage 2's built. One was raced by "Pop" Kennedy out of Reynolds Buick. Ran low 10's in S/Stock. This was in 1970 or 71. Someone help if I am incorrect. My mind doesn't remember as well as it used to.

By the way another 70 Buick Stage 1 is in the northwest and has been seen at 2 races. It is owned by Alf Weibe and is a stick shift car. It is running 10.50's so far but had engine troubles at Pacific Raceways (August race) and had to drop out of competition. Can you imagine the fun of a 4 speed behind all that torque???? WOW!!!!!!!

The Stage 2 Option was an aftermarket head offered by Kenne-Bell and it basically removed the exhaust port and allowed the header to be the port. This was not a legal head for NHRA

SSGN 09-06-2017 09:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyn Smith (Post 544427)
Check out Vintage Buick Drag Cars face book page.Even has some pics of a east coast Pro Stock 70 Buick that ran back in the day.I think Jason bought his current GS from the Stephenson family back in the late 80s.It has come a long way since then.Stock Buick 455 blocks will only take about 600hp before they start to self destruct.If Jason could get a aftermarket 455 block approved,we could possibly see a 9.90 c/sa car in the future!!!!!

That would not be fair.....................Buicks do better with less! Lol It is so refreshing to see an out of the main stream car perform that well. Jason ,Alf and Tom Rix are such icons in the Buick family. Congrats Jason

Greg Hill 09-06-2017 09:38 PM

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If memory serves me right the Stage 2 package was an over the counter deal that consisted of heads, manifold, 850 Holley Carb , and a bigger solid lifter camshaft. Never was made on a production car.

FED 387 09-06-2017 10:20 PM

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Pistons/headers/ring & pinion/ 1000 CFM thermoquad carb / heads/hood& scoop/ camshaft---were the stage 2 package

Carguy49 09-06-2017 10:28 PM

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I did a little checking on the old internet and found this pretty cool site about buicks and Reynolds buick in particular.


www.reynoldsbuickracing.com - enjoy.

Dan Fahey 09-06-2017 10:54 PM

Re: Jason Line C/SA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Hill (Post 544453)
If memory serves me right the Stage 2 package was an over the counter deal that consisted of heads, manifold, 850 Holley Carb , and a bigger solid lifter camshaft. Never was made on a production car.

To add to the intrigue..xHRA should allow that.
They have alllowed a few other interesting rule changes for other cars.
Believe there was a RA V GTO in 1970.
AMX managed a set of Aluminim heads getting into SS/B..
See older GM aluminum heads being introduced which could add a bit of life into Stock.

D

Chris Barnes 09-06-2017 11:57 PM

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I had the pleasure of chatting with Alf at the Seattle Divisional race. His car is now painted white and looks like it could win at any car show as well as any drag race...if he can keep it together. He was tickled to make more than three good passes in a row, that man has the patience of a saint! I think he said he was running a back up short block and a rod malfunctioned. I won my first National Event round when Alf's car couldn't make the call, way back in '05. He is a true gentleman, it's people like him that keep me playing this insane Stock Eliminator game!

SSDiv6 09-07-2017 01:37 AM

Re: Jason Line C/SA
 
The Stage II parts consisted of the following over the counter parts:
  1. High flow heads ($143.50)
  2. Mark IV 7,000 RPM camshaft ($278)
  3. 12.5:1 forged TRW pistons ($502)
  4. Edelbrock B4B aluminum intake ($125.99)
  5. Carter TQ Competition Series 1000 CFM carburetor ($105.99)
  6. 2-1/8-inch headers ($149.95)
  7. 4.78 ring and pinion ($99.95)
  8. Special Hood Scoop and Air Cleaner base

rx dealer 09-07-2017 07:20 AM

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I'm from the Flint area and back in 1977 was one of 30 local students chosen to go to the Buick engineering building to get us interested in engineering. I remember going to the dyno cells and see an early version of the 3.8 V6 turbo with the Q-jet carb! I asked an engineer whats the worst thing ever happen on a dyno? He said that a 455 stage 1 was running idle to redline full load testing and the flywheel broke. the engine came apart, oil all over, broke the fuel line and caught the dyno room on fire. Great memories.. BTW. Buick never had an RPO for the stage 2. They developed the heads and the parts to counter the Pontiac RAM AIR V tunnel port heads and both were dealer over the counter item...Luke SS 311

SSGN 09-07-2017 07:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Hill (Post 544453)
If memory serves me right the Stage 2 package was an over the counter deal that consisted of heads, manifold, 850 Holley Carb , and a bigger solid lifter camshaft. Never was made on a production car.

I had heard that Buick made 2 of these cars, and at one time Tom Rix owned one . Later it was sold to a collector in Chicago. Maybe Tom will chime in and share some of his wealth of knowledge in this.

Bobby DiDomenico 09-07-2017 08:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SSGN (Post 544470)
I had heard that Buick made 2 of these cars, and at one time Tom Rix owned one . Later it was sold to a collector in Chicago. Maybe Tom will chime in and share some of his wealth of knowledge in this.

Here is the former Jones and Benisek car that Carol and Tom Rix owned. When they raced it he removed the J & B decorated windows and added new glass. Don't know if it sold.

Drag Race Central has some images of the GS Top Stock car in competition. Search by Tom's name. This red car was run in Super Stock competition with a low compression non Stage 455.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0116-23...k-gs-stage-ii/

IIRC the Stage 2 package may have included the 3 barrel Holley. In the mid to late 70's there were a few GS and GSX cars around town that had been converted to Stage 2 with the kits. With the high compression good gas was a requirement, many may not have added the pistons.

Billy Nees 09-07-2017 09:17 AM

Re: Jason Line C/SA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 544465)
The Stage II parts consisted of the following over the counter parts:
  1. High flow heads ($143.50)
  2. Mark IV 7,000 RPM camshaft ($278)
  3. 12.5:1 forged TRW pistons ($502)
  4. Edelbrock B4B aluminum intake ($125.99)
  5. Carter TQ Competition Series 1000 CFM carburetor ($105.99)
  6. 2-1/8-inch headers ($149.95)
  7. 4.78 ring and pinion ($99.95)
  8. Special Hood Scoop and Air Cleaner base


Soooooooooo, going by the Mopar/LD340 reasoning, this stuff should all be legal right?

Bobby DiDomenico 09-07-2017 09:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 544476)
Soooooooooo, going by the Mopar/LD340 reasoning, this stuff should all be legal right?

Billy,
To stir the pot as my late friend John would say, sure these cars should be legal, genuine Buick parts installed at a dealer or sold over the counter for the customer to install. Like buying a COPO Camaro or building your own COPO, neither is an assembly line piece;-) Ever see a "factory" built Boss 429?
The AHFS will correct any issues right?

SSDiv6 09-07-2017 06:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 544476)
Soooooooooo, going by the Mopar/LD340 reasoning, this stuff should all be legal right?

Was waiting to see how fast you would address this... :D


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