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Putting a stick in my Drag Pak this winter, who has the best clutch setup? Best transmission? Looking at G-Force for the transmission, any thoughts on this?

Dennis Breeden
FSS/K

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If you want something affordable, reliable, consistent, and easy to work with, a Jerico DR4.4, a McLeod SoftLock, and a QuickTime bellhousing. Might not be the absolute fastest. But it will go rounds, and won't cost you your life savings.

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Thanks Alan, I appreciate the advice. I really don't want something I have to constantly repair. Going to be a challenge I'm sure.

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Great advice. Call Cale Aronson at Black Magic Clutches, he can help you with a clutch setup and data. He also has clutch tuning seminars.

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Rob Youngblood at Advanced Clutches 208-880-6214 nobody better. Great personal service always there to help and answer questions and make your car quicker. Don't believe me ask Bob Gullet.

P.S. you might be surprised at how easy it is to run a clutch car.

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I love the Jerico', but I think the G101 is worth a look as well. It has bearing supports between third and fourth and is strong. The soft locks are good for basic ops. I would say most single ten inch have a big tuning window. I prefer a dual 7 Youngblood. Easy to tune and you can tighten it up so it doesn't wear a lot.

The two things that get newbies in trouble.
1) not having enough clearance between the fingers and the throwout bearing
2) the burnout

Make sure you work out hand signals with a crew person in case you need to abort thre burnout. Make sure the tires have some water on them. Get the rpm up enough to snap the tires loose in the water.
Don't ever shift in the water unless you race a true clutchless trans. i,e. Liberty Equalizer or GF2000 etc.

It is more fun than you can believe! Good Luck!

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I have seen more racers have problems with Jerico's this year and also having issues with the new ownership getting parts. The G Force might be a better way to go.

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Anyone know the weight differences between the jerico and g-force.

Bruce Cameron
68 Nova E/S
68 Camaro SS/I or ?

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I would talk to Luke and Kevin!

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Get in touch with the other SS stick racers.

For my stocker DP, I went the 3 run old DR4(found one that actually only had 3 runs) and sof lok route for my dragpak. But its a stocker. I kept all the auto stuff just in case I didn't like it, or we couldn't get it to work.

Superstocker to be fast, and if you have to be fast, Best to budget 2X what you think it will cost. Making it fit takes fabrication and time. Fastest stick parts can cost a lot, 2-3 times what the auto does. Up to you how fast you need/want to be. Think Comp cost.


Basics:

First thing first, you will need a racepak with driveshaft sensor, and get the tranny imput sensor install option for whatever tranny you get......

From the seat, driving through the clutch and slipping the tires, can feel exactly the same and gave me the same 60 foots!

Liberty is closest to you in Indiana, and they do some truly bomb proof trannys. Since you will be spending the coin on a 5 speed, I don't see any used libertys ever on the market, Gforce is a good choice too in PA, Jerico, I don't know too much about their 5 speeds. Go visit if you can.

Clutchless versus clutch assisted will be a consideration too, clutchless is faster more $

Bellhousing..... browell aluminum with the adjustment window is in your state. Enough said.

Clutch single versus multi, size, need to figure that out for your bellhousing and how fast you need to be.

Thats a good starting list, others with more knowledge and experience than me will chime in.

Eric










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Regardless of which transmission you choose ,be prepared to make a major modification to the left side of the tunnel for the shifter and linkage .
You will also need to fabricate substantially longer linkage and shifter mounting bracket .
Depending on your choice of bellhousing you may need to clearance the large firewall reinforcement above it .

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Call Brian for the bell. Rob for the clutch The twin disc is fast and is a lot more forgiving then a lot of people think. Trans, Jerico owners in the Midwest had a rough year for reliability and breakage. Right G-force appears to be the trans of choice. I know that the guys on the mountain are running the g-force split apart. but does not run 1:1 in high. not sure how that is effected on the efficiency side (maybe some one more knowledgeable can respond to that). Liberty was talked to about a split apart 4spd similar to the 5spd but are at this not interested at this time.

What I can tell you is this. To be fast it will take work to stay on top of it. Get a computer and install an input sensor so that you can monitor your clutch separation and slippage. but it will be the best fun you have ever had, it is a hoot! nothing like shifting into 2nd gear when all you see is blue sky!

Dirk Olson
A/S 5036

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Call Cale Aronson at BlackMagicClutches for the clutch. I just got my nex gen from him it's a work of art. Awesome piece. Super nice guy and will go above and beyond to help you.

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Thanks for all the replies, I appreciate everyone's input. It will be an interesting change I'm sure.

Dennis Breeden

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Call G-Force and ask about their trade-ins, it will save you some money if they have something in stock. You will then get an updated trans with your gear choices at a reduced cost. Also as suggested get an input shaft sensor installed. How long the clutch slips is the biggest item to log and track. Browell and a window to adjust the clutch, Browell has a conical bellhousing similar to a QT but is custom and maybe a couple hundred more than a QT. You can also have the window clocked where you want it. Several fast cars are using Cale's clutch and like his stuff, several others including myself have Robs dual disc clutch. I have had good luck with Rob and the clutch has a wide tuning window. There are still a lot of Mcleod and Ram clutches in use to. In my opinion having a data logger is key to knowing what the cluch is doing, regardless of who's clutch is in the bellhousing.

Good luck

Sean

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Are you sure that's a good idea?

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Well Carey you should know, with your experience driving your SS S2000 with a stick, your comp car with a stick, my dragpak when it was a auto, and countless others cars with sticks etc. You know the $ involved and everything else.

I can see three ways its a good idea, no question

#1 going back to stock I just assumed it was for SS, for stock, good combo, will take some $ and time
#2 combo change plus stick for SS, there some good potential there with other motors.
#3 Putting the existing combo into a old car for FGT.....Bucky's SS/AH would be cool, a 70 challenger with the six pack hood like mine wouldn't be bad, could likely get the dragpack intake in there, hell I've been talking to Tueton too much, I might even part with that # matching bad boy.

Lots of fun and good options for a winter.

Eric

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I mean, I’m not gonna lie, those are 3 pretty badass ideas.......(Ricky Bobby voice) 😃

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Schaefer clutch and an A833. You're welcome.

Wade O

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Ram cleaning lady pressure plate, 3 pad disc, 30 lb wheel, and an 8 3/4. Can we say parts breaker?

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lmao!

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LOL x 2. But I still have my Hays Mark 12 clutch , 30lb flywheel and Liberty shifted A833 trans out of my old modified car..

Bruce Cameron

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Wade, I think that comes with a tow strap as part of the installation kit! LOL

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Already run a Dana, 8 3/4 won't hold up too long with an automatic let alone a stick.

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Its the old saying. Your car is only as strong as the weakest link. I knew a few guys with an 8 3\4 that twisted the housing. As far as trans go I've always run a Jerico with an Advanced Clutch. After about 700 runs on the Jerico finally broke a shift finger. With my combo I would not hesitate to run a Jerico. But its also not an 800hp engine. A lot of people forget that if you have too aggressive of a clutch I don't care what trans you have the life expectancy is short.

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I know of a brand new Youngblood dual clutch setup for sale now. Call 641-414-6016 ask for Steve. Also, not a thing wrong with the G-Force. Ran em for years. Own 3.

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"Older" guys will remember this "Clutch - Matics"

Dirk

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Dennis, if you choose a liberty, I have a Browell aluminum bellhousing.

Ernie
SS 354