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RULER 11-09-2017 04:33 AM

Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Since comp has this rule in place why doesn't NHRA make the same for super stock and stock, this would help a lot of the low budget teams compete, and would also help the car count. Seems like a great idea....

john kunsak 11-09-2017 04:42 AM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
nhra doesnt want to help the car count. they only take 65 cars for stock&ss at most natl events. they probably would like to cut back rather than want more.

Todd Hoven 11-09-2017 08:37 AM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RULER (Post 549353)
Since comp has this rule in place why doesn't NHRA make the same for super stock and stock, this would help a lot of the low budget teams compete, and would also help the car count. Seems like a great idea....


Seems like racing socialism to me. How about NO!

GUMP 11-09-2017 08:47 AM

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No

Billy Nees 11-09-2017 08:51 AM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
I need a quiet spot and a puppy.

J.R. Haddad 11-09-2017 08:51 AM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
If I understand PI's properly, a car in the same class still runs Heads-Up,
and we are not trying to run farther under against different classed car's,
we are trying to run our dial under. I must be missing how this social
handout helps the underprivileged. J.R.

Chris1529 11-09-2017 08:53 AM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
With a personal index system in place, then all the IHRA cars could come in too. LOL.

davidhaag 11-09-2017 04:57 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
First thing that needs to done before adjusting HP or Index, see if the car is legal! Fuel and weight is not enough to affect others.

House of Darts 11-09-2017 05:24 PM

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There might be something about this issue. Fox Sports has spent time focusing on the Comp classes during their national coverage.. Old, new and rails and funky combos. Similar transition like S/SS(Dime Rockets front and center). Might be a good new and profitable direction for all.

HR9121 11-09-2017 05:32 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
All the Comp guys I know think its as stupid as hell. We already know trying to explain our classes is hard, wait till we would have to try and explain why 2 J/SA cars running each other was no longer a heads up. As was mentioned, just like socialism.....

Billy Nees 11-09-2017 05:36 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davidhaag (Post 549415)
First thing that needs to done before adjusting HP or Index, see if the car is legal! Fuel and weight is not enough to affect others.

and then maybe hire someone in California that just might know something about engine combos and cars in general.

SSGT Mustang 11-09-2017 05:40 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RULER (Post 549353)
Since comp has this rule in place why doesn't NHRA make the same for super stock and stock, this would help a lot of the low budget teams compete, and would also help the car count. Seems like a great idea....

What? No.

Steve Stickel 11-09-2017 06:05 PM

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we already have the option of personal indexes in Stock and SuperStock

Bob Don 11-09-2017 06:08 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
NO. (...and the "S" does NOT stand for snowflake.)

1347 11-09-2017 06:46 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
So your car would have a personal index like a bowling handicap? Then why ever work on your car? Sounds like socialism to me.It may help the low budget team, but its also a slap in the face for those who work hard and spend money they sometimes don't have to be competetive.

Jeff Jewell 11-09-2017 08:15 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Uh, no...

This coming from someone who is .40+ behind the fast guys... I'd rather keep picking at it and driving my a** off when I have to.

kansas stocker 11-09-2017 08:31 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
That would make me start playing golf.

MikeMoller 11-09-2017 08:37 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Stickel (Post 549423)
we already have the option of personal indexes in Stock and SuperStock

X2


Oh by the way what happens when I sell my .8 under car and the buyer can only go .5? Does he get to adjust his index back to a lower number? NHRA can't keep up now, can't imagine them doing anything like this.

Barry Polley 11-09-2017 09:45 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HR9121 (Post 549419)
All the Comp guys I know think its as stupid as hell. We already know trying to explain our classes is hard, wait till we would have to try and explain why 2 J/SA cars running each other was no longer a heads up. As was mentioned, just like socialism.....




Bam! ( That's the sound of the mic drop)

Ernie Neal 11-09-2017 10:41 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
I think not!! I'm not sure of the comp guys take, but their car count numbers are not improving. I don't know if the P I has anything to do with it, sounds like a poor idea to me.

Ernie Neal
SS 354

Ed Wright 11-10-2017 11:41 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
No!

There are actually guys who can not run under these indexes?

SSDA Hemi 11-11-2017 07:46 AM

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Since It worked so well for comp??

Let's go the other way and run off the national record. You run under, you're the new record holder and come apart. It's a performance based eliminator, some people seem to forget that. Put up or shut up!

And while we're at it the quotas are 65 cars let's, have it a 64 qualified field. 1 car doesn't qualify and you have a 6 round race. no bye runs.

Larry Hill 11-11-2017 08:54 AM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
64 = 6 rounds

SSDA Hemi 11-11-2017 10:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 549537)
64 = 6 rounds

Yes, Saves a round and makes qualifying count for something.

Mark Madison 11-11-2017 10:51 AM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSDA Hemi (Post 549534)
Since It worked so well for comp??

Let's go the other way and run off the national record. You run under, you're the new record holder and come apart. It's a performance based eliminator, some people seem to forget that. Put up or shut up!

And while we're at it the quotas are 65 cars let's, have it a 64 qualified field. 1 car doesn't qualify and you have a 6 round race. no bye runs.

I agree and eliminate the quota system, all are welcome 64 car qualified field. Mark Madison

Ven302 11-11-2017 12:02 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSDA Hemi (Post 549534)
Since It worked so well for comp??

Let's go the other way and run off the national record. You run under, you're the new record holder and come apart. It's a performance based eliminator, some people seem to forget that. Put up or shut up!

And while we're at it the quotas are 65 cars let's, have it a 64 qualified field. 1 car doesn't qualify and you have a 6 round race. no bye runs.

ABSOLUTELY
PERSONAL INDEX=POOR IDEA Right on ERNIE!
If they make it a 64 car qualified field, AHFS would getfixed pretty darn quick, AND they could open the quota up to 80 cars FREE MONEY! Half back if you don't qualify :O and still have a limited amount of rounds ( controllable, profitable and we would all know how fast each other is!) I would still go even if I was only a tenth or two under!

SDT1DYI 11-11-2017 06:55 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
After a long departure from racing and now racing a stocker, it has been an intetesting learning curve.
Class racing has changed a bunch. LOL. Whats stock in a Stocker? Not much I found out! They are more like SS cars. SS cars with hood scopes are more like the old Modified Production or Comp cars.
One thing has not changed, the more money you spend and the harded you work at it, the faster your combination will go. This will never change.

Consider a separate FS eliminator, all 2008 and newer cars. 128 field for Stock/SS combined eliminator, 2007 and older cars.
All non OEM hood scoop cars in to Comp eliminator W/ a new rev limited option class ( to attempt to control costs) and they must be driven up and back.

All of this could reduce the car counts in stock and SS allowing more competitors to enter.
Factory Showdown guys get what they want. The Stocker guys get those 8.0 cars out of the eliminator. The Comp guys get more cars and maybe just save the eliminator. The new class that has some cost controls ( 80K Comp engines costs are a bit over the top). And if the guys with Modified Cobalts etc don't see Comp as an option, put a flat hood on it and race SSGT

Just my perspective as to a way forward.
Would there be more winners than losers?

Steve Teeter. STK H/SA 6380

GUMP 11-11-2017 09:13 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Why not leave things as they are and just show up and race?

Ed Wright 11-12-2017 10:17 AM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
These indexes are SO soft, if you have put something together that can't run well under the index, you need to be testing at home figuring out why your so slow. Not expect NHRA to make rule changes to just make you immediately competitive without the work the rest of us have put in our cars. It's not just money. That is et brackets. You can do that at home.

kansas stocker 11-12-2017 02:50 PM

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" It's not just money. That is et brackets. You can do that at home."

For a lot less money and better pay back.
The index is par and you want to see how far under you can get.
The challenge is the thing.

RULER 11-12-2017 10:42 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
What about the low budget teams that try but can't qualify for Indy, they must all be dumb right,,,,,,

Larry Hill 11-13-2017 09:58 AM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Indy is always show and tell. Like the the sign stated “Go fast or go home”. You will know when your ready fo Indy.

Todd Hoven 11-13-2017 10:12 AM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RULER (Post 549656)
What about the low budget teams that try but can't qualify for Indy, they must all be dumb right,,,,,,

Not Dumb, just not good enough at that time. Or the combo they picked isn’t good enough, sometimes it just doesn’t work out for racers. Plenty of other races out there

hutt1 11-13-2017 10:59 AM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Guys you DO not want this in S/SS. The rich get richer in this format. They get to qualify off the original index even if they havelost 15 hun.. So they still qualify off the original it allows them to qualify on a 15 hun slower index and you know that is a 75+ under car. In comp it skews the qualifying order which changes the run sheet. If you want to fix S/SS and comp take index awy where the fast guys will have to run their stuff out then you will have a better system. Who cares if everyone can run 1.5 seconds under. The fast cars turn it up when they need to..

Scott

novassdude 11-13-2017 11:28 AM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Is there a contest for worst idea of the year on class racer? If so I would like to nominate this post.

Rich67stang 11-13-2017 04:36 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by novassdude (Post 549695)
Is there a contest for worst idea of the year on class racer? If so I would like to nominate this post.

Now that is Funny!...Still Laughing...

Rob Petrie E395 11-13-2017 05:27 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
You know I'm still new to class racing. And my car is slow. And this would probably benifit me. Im still against it. I like everybody else. Knew what I was getting into. Will I be fast one day. Only time will tell. But taking something away from the other guys to make it easier for me to be competitive. Will never be the way I will want to do it. I'd rather keep chipping away at it little by little. So IF or when I do get there I will know I earned it. And it wasn't just given to me to help car counts.

Billy Nees 11-13-2017 06:36 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Socialism for Class Racers!

Ed Wright 11-14-2017 12:46 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 549718)
Socialism for Class Racers!

I can't find the Like button.

jimi 11-14-2017 02:32 PM

Re: Personal indexes for s/superstock
 
no way ! right now im not the fastest car in my class so I have a goal to work forward to, if I have my own index why would I work to go faster it means nothing!


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