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When are they posting the end of the year HP requests??? Anybody know ??

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The Friday before NHRA closes for holiday's

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I've been looking for more horsepower, I didn't know you could request NHRA to get some. And here I've been working on the car the whole time.

In the past I have sent HP request and included graphs showing the difference in other liked class cars, well written observations and detailed comparisons. Nothing happened, it amazes me how some combos get instant gratification, while others are brow beaten.

NHRA needs to update their AHFS system and start reviewing all the data that they have from numerous runs, Such as 330', 660', 1,000' incremental times to determine what is being protected. But that idea was given to them over 20 years ago and fell on deaf ears.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA get your free HP right here.

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Ron,

Take a look at this for information on the AHFS. http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...633&zoneid=132

They don't take hp off of a combination unless it is currently being run, and it has to meet the requirements to be eligible for a reduction. All the request does is makes them look at the combination to see if it meets requirements to get hp off.

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Thanks Cooter, the info was very helpful. Seems a lot better now.

When I filed for the request it was in regard to the 273's being run by the Dodges. My Plymouth has a B&B carb while the Dodges have a Stromberg, but they had to weigh more than me. Then they grouped us all together with the weight breaks the same, but no change for me, and we both have the same minimum weight. Also within the request and graphs was the Buicks which were flying, including Lloyd Mackay which ran R, T and U and held the record for all the classes at the same time. But the biggest complaint within the request was Bob Dennis and his Cutlass Banana car. Like I said ,it fell on deaf ears.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA the times they are a changin'

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"NHRA needs to update their AHFS system and start reviewing all the data that they have from numerous runs, Such as 330', 660', 1,000' incremental times to determine what is being protected."

I think they would get a lot of flack if they did, let's face it, a large percentage of the racers don't want the AHFS to work. That's why you can set a national record 1.87 or 1.91 under and not get horsepower on Monday.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

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If they used the 660 times for the AHFS it would put the brakes on a lot of the games being played, I think a lot of people enjoy working the system.

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Not all cars run the back half the same in relation to their 330'.

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Ed, I'm not talking about a single measurement of one particular position on the track. I'm referring to using all the incremental times as a whole to determine lifting. With today's technology one could easily figure what a car will run all out, every good racer knows exactly what their car would run even if they are lifting. But, of course, racers would not want this technology to happen to them. But, hey what do I know, it is a performance based category. We all know how the game is played, this would just be leverage for the AHFS.
How do I get horsepower but still run the same ET.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA should I lift

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Ron, a lot of guys use a throttle stop, a restrictor plate, or just weight to slow down. I have all that in the trailer.

I'm not sure watching incrementals would really help them much. I was 180 heavy most of last year, running it out the back door.

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Cooter, no doubt you are spot on with the AFIS. My question is how can anyone get a stock reduction of 63 HP? 1966 Nova 327 with a 350 HP reduced to 287 HP. Something is wrong with reducing that much HP. -10 to 15 reduction OK.

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Wow! I was not aware of that one, John. Had a friend, when we were street racing new Stock cars, with one of those that used to spank the 396" Chevelles. It was MUCH faster than the regular 275 hp engine. Now it's only 285? LMAO! Somebody pulled one on them. LOL

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Man you are spot on - my older brother had one it was the fastest production street car ever made - with a little tuning - It had a 4.11 and in high gear it felt like the front of the car got longer and was going to take the steering wheel right out of your hands through the dash. It beat almost every thing including corvettes, 409s and 426 street Dodges - although some of that was streets and driver. I had a plan for every man - those were the days ... Never saw a drag strip -- worst was it got stolen and replaced twice.

By gone memories of more joy than I get today.

In My Humble Opinion

Ron

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Ed -
There is a lot of difference between those engines on the street in production cars compared to current prepped Stock Eliminator configuration. The 327-275 has almost as much blueprinted compression (11.9 vs 12.2), the same heads, camshaft difference doesn't matter much under current rules, and a much larger carb (Qjet vs 585 Holley). Add to the fact that the original 327-350 intake is not much better than a good Qjet manifold and that the original dome configuration restricts flame travel in the combustion chamber and it is easy to see why there is not much difference in current rated hp.

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Evidently GM gave some funny specs for the 275. I know of a couple other engines like that.

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Who ever can get that much HP off a combo must be related to Jim Hale......

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Not naming anyone with this issue. The 1970 Camaro 350 was reduced 40 HP. People who run there cars should be flying Danny Byrd has the premiere 1966 Nova 327 350 HP and he can only go low 10:30’s. You’d think taking that much weight from a combo would make all the difference in the world.

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Funny how some defend big power reductions for one make and stand on the barricades shouting about other makes reductions yet they seem to run in the same ballpark against the index
The Chevy II must have the record for dropping classes A to E??

How far off we have come in the 35 years I raced the class,well,the last 15 anyway.
All engines should be the same,Stick,auto,model etc.
Models that need help should really be far and between.
Loosing interest in this by the day now.

Now GM people is even pissed about other GM combos,you see,we never gonna get anywhere on the internet.


Peace out

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We're pissed about the process, the people in charge of the process and the "buddy deals" that are handed out by the people in charge of the process.

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Which proves exactly what Dwight explained...if Danny can "only" go 10.30's, it's not a great combo.

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Paul, Danny Byrd has the state of the art Nova. No other Nova runs as quick as Byrd’s car. Now rate the 327 back to 350HP and the combo slows down 3 or 4 thnths. The 1967 302 was rated 290 HP from the factory. It is now 309 HP. Which is 19 HP. Over the factory rating. If you run the 327 350 combo that’s good for you. We all know a man from Malvern, Pa who raced a Nova and beat Hemi cars with the 327 350 HP Nova.

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I would have to liked to read this one. LOL

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Me too......

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I read it and it was good lol. I'll just keep it to myself since Allen decided to take it down.

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me too!!!!

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Sorry for the letdown guys...lol...my dad once told me arguing with a fool just makes you a fool as well. He’s a wise old fart! lol...In the immortal words of a wise man, can’t fix stupid!

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I like his oil pumps too. :-)

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It is now posted on NHRAracer.com

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Can someone enlighten me on this?
"Chev 62-79 added SBC replacement heads for Stock"

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NHRA has approved 4 aftermarket cylinder heads for SBC stock engines for 2018. It's up to you to look up your engine in the guide and choose the ones listed for your combo,

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RHS Cast Iron heads # 12400 & 12402 accepted as replacement head

Edelbrock heads # 60887, 60637 accepted as replacement head

Dart Cast Iron heads with cast # 10021070, 100220010 accepted as replacement head

World Products Cast Iron heads with cast #'s 043600 & 043610 accepted as replacement heads

Got it thank you, I see a +5hp goes with these too.

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Me thinks a smell a crate motor near bye.

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Yeah, those small block Chevy heads are so hard to find....gimme a freakin break.....for 2019 I guess we can all run holleys since the q jets are so hard to find....CRATE MOTORS.........My sincerest APOLOGY to any IHRA crate motor racer that I ever offended.....

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It looks like the Edelbrocks are an aluminum casting and come with 2.02 intakes instead of the 1.94. Would this still be a legal replacement but + 5 hp?

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I noticed that too, the 60637 and 60887.

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Keep in mind these heads still have to CC and have the same valve size as the head you're replacing.

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I'd say not a chance. With the way things have gone,"who knows" is a smarter reply.
Pete

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