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Ummm, I haven't gotten around to checking on all of the HP give backs yet but how did the 69 Dodge Dart 440 combo manage to get back HP? If I'm reading the rule right any run of -.85 in the review period means that the combo isn't eligible for a reduction. -.916 at Sonoma Div..
Any answers or just another "west coast" favor?

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also, 72 Duster 340? -.999 at Chandler.

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Billy the 440 with stock heads got 5hp off, your example was the replacement head already rated @ 345hp.

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1972 Duster 340 hp reduction is manual trans?

pS

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I see that now, my bad.
So now the "stock" head is rated the same as the "replacement" head. Just another place to hide. So now instead of the "replacement" head being legal on a "stock" combo at a HP penalty over a "stock" head, it's considered a totally different combo. Riiiight, I've got it now, wink, wink, nod, nod.

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Billy, I'm sorry to say this, but your observations are conclusive, they have merit, but do not conform to today's preferred method of fabricated negotiations needed to fulfill ones wants. Maybe it is time for you to disband the tried and true dime rocket experience and get yourself a Tesla, contact the powers to be in Glendora and push your narrative. Being a different brand you are sure to receive better reception. And you would be a pioneer in Tesla's movement. Get rid of this Bowtie, Blue Oval and Pendant nonsense.

Surely there are enough prospective enthusiasts in this endeavor. This way you no longer need to be persecuted by the injustices being applied to racers.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA sponsored by Spacex.

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Heh Heh......LOL.......Same ole Same ole out of Commiefornia !

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You Tell'em Ron!

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Billy, is this correct ? I was wondering about the Duster myself.....they all run very well.......

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Ron, I'm a simple man. Could you please explain this to me in common English?

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M.J., I don't know. It's not spelled out anywhere that I can find.

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It is the 4spd only. I could tell by the old nhra hp.

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It's listed under 72 Plymouth Duster
http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...635&zoneid=132

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Sorry Billy for the language. Here is a simple breakdown of what I was referring to.
Quote:
Billy, I'm sorry to say this, but your observations are conclusive, they have merit, but do not conform to today's preferred method of fabricated negotiations needed to fulfill ones wants.
Translation:
I'm sorry, but you are correct in what you say and see, but other people make up stuff and try to make NHRA believe that they need to approve of their wishes.

Quote:
Maybe it is time for you to disband the tried and true dime rocket experience and get yourself a Tesla, contact the powers to be in Glendora and push your narrative.
Translation:
Quit with the cheap combo builds and get a Tesla. Get a hold of NHRA and tell them they need to approve your Tesla.

Quote:
Being a different brand you are sure to receive better reception. And you would be a pioneer in Tesla's movement.
Translation:
Since Tesla is not in the "books" you have an open chance of getting approved and you would be the hero.

Quote:
Get rid of this Bowtie, Blue Oval and Pendant nonsense.
Translation:
Dump GM, Ford and Chrysler

Quote:
Surely there are enough prospective enthusiasts in this endeavor. This way you no longer need to be persecuted by the injustices being applied to racers.
Translation:
There is a bunch of people that would go along with you. This way you no longer would get screwed over by the way that racers are being treated.

Quote:
Ron Ortiz
U/SA sponsored by Spacex.
Translation:
Ron Ortiz, that is me. U/SA is the class that I run and the country I live in. Spacex would be a great sponsor for your Tesla.

I hope this clears everything up for you. In summary, get a Tesla, get approved, and forget about the Big 3, and make the rules you want for your Tesla. And yes, you still are a hero.

Ron ortiz
U/SA Redundancy.

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Thanks Ron, I feel SO much better now!
Just one thing, what's a Tesla? Is that some fancy new kinda coffee?

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I just love reading posts from Ron and Billy. LOL

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lmao :d:d:d

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Got your welfare. Must have a personal beef with me Billy. I took the 340 out because of all the crying about some intake that i didn't need or want. I spend a great amount of money to put a 440 in. play by the rules and put in a request and got it. I can be found out in the west coast if need me..
Paul Haszlauer

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Nope, I don't have a "personal beef" with any Racer. My "beef" is with the NHRA Tech Dept. and how they have manipulated their rules over time.
When the replacement head deal started out, a Racer could use the legal replacement head on his combo with a HP penalty. NOW, somewhere along the line, the replacement head becomes it's OWN combo. THAT'S B.S.!
If the NHRA is going to do it that way then maybe they should consider a combo with a replacement intake manifold a different combo too!

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You see where this is going to, Billy?
Hope not, because those two associations are no longer around.

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Wouldn't it be a no brainer to roll the two together once the stock head HP meets or passes the replacement head HP?

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And being a "no Brainer", the people doing this stuff should qualify for the job.

Mark, I just haven't figured out yet whether we're heading towards ET-2 or personal indexes.

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Maybe in a year or two it will be like the NMCA national muscle car classes for stockers and the N/SS classes for S/S where they just have to look legal (kind of) with the 1/4 second spreads per class already listed. Car to slow on a particular weekend....just pick another et break and change the letter on the windows. That's how brackets started at Aquasco, Capitol, and other D,C area drag strips back before 1966. No tech except looks ?????? Its almost there now.

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By the sound of this, it's like IHRA was ahead of the times! Get what you can-muster and get it approved.

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The brass in Glendora are probably waiting for the very few S/SS techmen that are left to retire. Then they can adopt the NMCA program and save money in the tech dept. Keep up the complaining and it may happen sooner than expected.

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Just like out west around 1900, cowboys sitting on their horses watching this 4 wheel noisy contraption riding around town saying to themselves that this thing will not last, it's just a fad, a new thing.
What I'm saying this is the future. NHRA already sees S/S and Stock as a waste of money, time and manpower, heck they're having a hard time keeping the "pro" classes together and these S/S-Ss are the low man on the pole. Worst case, I see NHRA rolling over like the other guys(AHRA-IHRA) where are you gonna race then? A Similar situation happened here last week. Local bowling alley closed doors with two days noticed, sold the building, all those leagues out in the cold nowhere to go, done. It's all about the bottom line. I'd love to see it stay the same as before but like Brad Pitt said, nothing lasts!
These people will make it easier and if that means no tech and stretched rules then that's what they'll do to stay alive.
IMO
Mike

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My thoughts and opinions
Local Stock and S/S Associations will be around maybe longer and the NMCA seems to be gaining popularity though they have a lot of weird classes now. They will run out of time to run a show and time trials. They will keep only those classes that bring in any spectators and a larger car count. I give it a few years.....but not many.

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[QUOTE=X-TECH MAN;553321]My thoughts and opinions
Local Stock and S/S Associations will be around maybe longer and the NMCA seems to be gaining popularity though they have a lot of weird classes now. They will run out of time to run a show and time trials. They will keep only those classes that bring in any spectators and a larger car count. I give it a few years.....but not many.

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Sorry for the double post.

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Ya know, in my lifetime, I've Class Raced (Stock and SS), I've Index Raced and I've Bracket Raced. I've been reasonably successful at all of them. I have said this on this web site more than once, Dear NHRA, if you don't want me doing this stuff anymore (Stock Eliminator Racing) then PLEASE let me know and I won't do it anymore. I'm absolutely positive that I can find someone else to give my hard earned money to.

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amen!!

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Not so fast Billy, the $170 for a Divisional and $300 for a National ( multiply by S/SS field), comes in handy for NHRA
Mike A114

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I'm guessing that you mean that it comes in handy for the NHRA. Well, just Stock at a National Event is figure $300 x 65 and at a Divisional it's $170 x 60-100 cars so maybe they better start re-considering Stock Eliminator Racers. But then again, I'm sure that they could easily get that many Bracket Racers to show up for their races, pay that entry fee and race for their ridicules cash purse. NOT! Bracket Racers are smarter than that.

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Billy, if it makes you feel any better....NHRA slashed some rd. Money from the Pro stockers and cut the winner money from 25 grand to 20.....They did this very quietly .......

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Exactly what I meant Billy
Mike A114

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Yep. Lots of opportunities out there for local and regional Stock/Super Stock associations to be successful. -Al

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Didn't they say that money was going to the nitro teams thought I saw that some where.

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Alan, I 've been saying that since 2005.
May not be as glamorous as getting your picture in The Digger, being handed a Wally, but might be all there is, eventually.
My advice has always been to support the local groups now.
Those boys might not be around when you really need them.

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It's pretty clear what's going on with how you get hp back or what parts your able to approve when it's a Mopar..
If you read the rules it's clear as mud on reviews and gifts givin on Mopars as well.
But this is pretty blatant especially now that they are listing the averages ..
They must make some good Cookies also.

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I think it's obvious they want 2008 and older cars gone, doing it this way they dont have to go to court!!