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Again, thanks, NHRA, for supporting your local part-time Sportsman racers.

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Ya, that sucks.

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sounds like you need to start supporting more divisional races and stop crying about not having enough points.

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First of all, I (MY) don't need to support ANY divisional races.
The owner of the car that I'm associated with works full time, for himself.He doesn't have the time to travel 3500 miles in Div 7, to get 6 g.p.'s .
Not too long ago, before you were racing in Stock, apparently, the local quota was 100+.
That was a realistic number for the area. 65 is not. That is my complaint.
So glad that you have an abundance of time and money to attend an ever increasing amount of events . Good luck out there.

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3 grade points were required to enter AZ, not 6. Stop exaggerating.

In all likelihood people will withdraw.

It is understandable, in your capacity as a racing associate, that you might be unaware of current car counts at divisional events. Spoiler...They aren't great. I raced a divisional last year, where a separate bracket race and T&T were run to increase the car count of the event. Why would the NHRA allow 100+ cars in national events if the divisional races aren’t well attended? Maybe if more people ditched their associate status and the divisional car counts increased, then we could force the NHRA's hand to increase the national quotas top where we want them. In all likelihood it probably doesn’t matter to the NHRA, but at the very least it would support local divisional tracks and keep them open. In any event, all the complaining about quotas when divisional point race participation at some local tracks is marginal just comes off as entitled whining.

The only thing in abundance is your ignorance. You have no idea of the effort and sacrifice that I, as well as any other racer with 3 or more grade points, had to endure to get our program and grade point total to where they are. The rules for entry and quotas are well known, so I did what it took to decrease my odds of getting shut out of events.

Maybe next you will be crying that the NHRA needs a participation Wally.

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So Mark I can fully understand your disappointment as I was on the outside looking in for the WinterNats! After a nearly 17 year layoff I’m certainly not chiming in here to cast stones and add insult to injury but John makes several key points not the least of which is “The rules for entry and quotas are well known” and you have to have rules… So if you have a solution that is logistically sound I’m pretty certain it won’t fall on deaf ears here.

I’m one of those that jumped through hoops late last year to get my 3gp so I’d have a shot early this season and was fortunate enough to get in to Wild Horse yesterday. Late yesterday someone withdrew from the WinterNats and my due diligence was rewarded by locking that opening down.

So I hope you have the same good fortune!

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They do. It's called a grade point.

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Rod Man,
If it took 3 this year, then maybe 4 next year, then maybe what? Out of the division races too? What have you gained? Hope you're in for the long haul then.
Like I said , good luck to you or any of my friends who want to participate in the LODRS rip off program.
My complaint is not with you , but rather with the NHRA business model.
45 years of giving them money ,and getting less and less in return...I've had enough.
We have more fun at the association races anyway.
(BTW, I do know just a bit about trying to make money promoting drag races.)

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See you in the lanes, bud.

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Did Teddy get in with 3gp?

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No, but Alex and the Monte did......

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How many cars did they allow last year and what grade point did it fill up at?

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About the same, I believe.
I think the demand adjusts to the quota. I didn't see a lot of people fighting to get in this time.
Kind of hard for out of state racers to jump , last minute, I suppose.

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Most of us have full time jobs if we are not rich or retired.

Life is full of choices - you make yours - others make theirs - as do we.

See you at the divisional.

Ron

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Takes 5 or six to get in anything around here. We don’t have dual points races like out there either. 3 seems like a reasonable deal.

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Why is it always about?
Money. $$$ I work for it and spend it
Work and time. I make time by not going to work
Grade points. Required to play the game. You know the deal
Car count. We all know how many It’s Not top secret
Desire. You must have this TO Race NHRA
Yelling and. beaching and moaning ain’t workin
Besides the pit in Arizona and the track SUCK.

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Fontana, Vegas x2 and Phoenix, there's 4 without a lot of travel involved.

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Well, as is often the case Stock and Super Stock both closed below the quota, could have gotten in with a single point. Patience and persistence are often underrated.

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Wild Horse Pass is the worst race track around The pits are dirty their organization is terrible and that is reason no one wants to race there . The reason that it is a boondoggle getting into the pits there are very few good pit spots and those are always saved for the "special" racers,so when 7am comes it is disgusting the way the track brings in their paying customers ,no organization and when there is an accident the track will have to rethink the way to get into the track and also clean the place up spend some money pave the bowl this track is a polished turd but with some money put into it it could and should be the best track around but now it is not . . Good Luck to the racers racing there and be safe getting into the Pits please don't crash your rig and keep in mind your rig will be filthy where ever the track stages the rigs Huck .:(

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Since I think it is not fair to complain unless you have a solution to your complaint.
I had a solution to wild horse pass major issues .
There is a Holding area I believe is gate 1 , I had a major sponsor for the racers who come in early from Pomona a week before going into the pits . This sponsor would have paid for the security guards for a week. A racer brings in his $800,000 dollar rigs into gate one and gets a number on the Saturday the day of Pomona eliminations has stated . for the( yikes) first rd. runner ups (LOL) . their rigs can and will stay in that holding area until you go directly into the pits no moving just enjoy your secure Staging area no moving into another holding area . During your enjoyable stay at wild horse Pass there would have been free tickets to the casino and coupons from local business doing your stay. Keep in mind there is no secure place to park after Pomona for the racers and for the big rigs anywhere near the track unless you want to park in the dessert. The sponsor of the Staging area pays for all the expenses for the racers of course wanting a ROI on his sponsorship.
Now Wild Horse pass needs to repave all the pits everywhere remember this is the dessert dust is everywhere . the :filthy “ bowl where racers who arrive late are pitted could be paved and I even had a company willing to give a major discount to do the paving that for( many agreed returns) for them doing that . This Polished turd track could and should be the best and cleanest and well run track but it is not even the Pros and the ones who have the good pits spots saved hate to race there but enjoy the weather,

I had all this done for the racers but the decision makers did not like my idea of serving the racers and told me to go pound sand even threatened me for trying to make the track a good experience ..lol the chaos going into the pits will have to stop especially when someone gets hurt and whomever is liable will bear the consequences . to all racers be safe going into the pits from from the first parking area to the second parking area then into the final pits I miss the racers but do not miss firebird .
Keep in mind I am a pit snob as I used to pit in dirt and now if I have A bad pit spot I will leave, get my money back as that is the reason wild horse pass has no racers going there and will get less and less racers wanting to race there and eventually the track will wonder what happened >dud:mad::mad:

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This is exactly why I have stayed at home the last 2 years.
I was told on my last time there after the movement in at 7 AM and the boondoggle that took place "if you do not like our organization of move in you can just leave and just don't come back" so I took the Track Managers advice.
I will never go back to race there.
Sometimes you just can not give a suggestion to someone who has already decided they always know what is best for you. They seem to forget who the customer is in the situation.
Sounds like a politician to me.
My 2 Cents
Rick Cates
Canyon, TX

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The Boondoggle getting into Wild Horse pass is getting ready to be a mess there are rigs lined up on off ramp,at the Flying J across the freeway,at The mcdonalds across the freeway from the track jammed up on the freeway itself and the casino is full with the security guards up set because the parking lots are a mess all the racers will be trying to go to the next parking area through one ten foot gate off one of the busiest roads in the valley Maricopa with people trying to go the work then tomorrow go into the dirty pits Watch there will be a accident , sad way to run business all for no reason this could be orderly manner and a happy experience but it is not.

The mess starts at 7am Arizona time :mad:

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First report A friend of mine was abut 15th in line he said it was unbelievable as he will be last, he said rigs driving over shrubs ,curbs, blocking streets he said it was absolute insanity . So far thank goodness no wrecks yet. I am wondering who is liable??? of course i know. The pathetic situation I have been for Years offering a orderly ,logical and customer oriented way to stack with no one listening to me > guess I was not a very good Sales person with nobody concerned about the Racer safe enjoyable,orderly experience which includes all of the decision makers who do not care and who are in charge

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Ok the latest the rigs are now in the second holding area not in the pits a boondoggle also My friend cannot get his truck unhooked ,no Portal potties and dirt and fine sand rigs look like crap being dusty every where,no organization Remember this is the second holding area .All this can be avoided if they would do what i have been trying to get the decision makers to do for years so the attendance by racer dwindles and the "mess" gets worse:confused::mad::eek:

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Don I raced there many years ago and could tell when I visited out there for BJ and stayed for the divisional 4 years ago that not much had changed for the better. When we were at Usery Mountain county RV park in Mesa last May (a nice place BTW if you don't need frills) I wandered down there for their bracket program and looked like they had a good turnout but how everybody was spread all over in order to get a decent parking place is incredible. Can hardly imagine what a circus the National must be. And yes, you shared your stacking proposal with me and apparently it made too much sense, otherwise NHRA would have convinced the players involved to adopt it.

Hope they have a good race in any case, probably no live reports unless Yo Ken can entice someone.

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I find it interesting that a guy that always had prime parking would be so quick to throw the people that did that for him under the buss. Just sayin

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Don't forget to include National Opens for grade point accumulations. It would be possible,here in southwest Div.7, to go twice to Vegas for divisional, Fontana for the Open(usually a fun time), and later the Divisional at Fontana. I'm glad they host any kind of race for us at all, since so many tracks won't anymore. It will be interesting to see what happens next year with the Utah track gone. Maybe the double race weekend will be moved closer to home. Best way to make a way through a bad thing is to figure out a way through it. More National Opens in Div.7 would be nice!!

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I had a awaking about grade points when we moved to TN> in the west I thought most of the time a racer can get into a national event with a grade point of 4 now here in TN I cannot get into any National even so far with a Grade point of 4 must have 5 or more . Just more population and racers out here .lol

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I am not throwing anyone under the Bus > all i am trying to do is stop the insane way of parking into wild horse pass. I most likely will never run there a gain just trying to make racing there a common sense way. no one ever gave me any special attention I had to be the one first in line .lol Good luck racing Mike

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It seems every year this same topic comes up , stacking problems, the bowl, ect . The same personnel at the track I'm sure hearing the same complaints year after year. Chuck is trying to do a good job, a thankless job but without his bosses giving him the ok it is what it is. The race will happen regardless , most racers know what they are getting into and by seeing most classes full that speaks for itself. Don't get me wrong there is room for improvement .....Just an outsiders view from the outside, but this is one of my home tracks...SO I may be bias...LOL

PS . This summer they laid down chip sealer over the pit paved surface...

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Don't forget the Indians don't need the track. If the traffic and crowds mess with their casino and hotel business they could shut it down in a heartbeat. It's up to the NHRA to straighten it out.

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Sittin at work got 8 hours to go, go home load up and hit the highway for 788 miles according to google maps, Sure wish I was sitting in the stacking line! Just Saying!!

I must be NUTS,

See you all Thursday Sometime............

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LogeStein Racing arrived at Wild Horse at approximately 3 am. #14 in line NO SHRUBS or CURBS were run over! Went very smooth.

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Just goes to show you each racer has a different view of the same event ...
If it was a perfect world we all would be racing 7 days a week, and winning every event.....

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No doubt about it !

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The grade point system is much better than when there wasn't won. Back in the day, you would get a questionnaire from nhra at the end of the previous year asking what national events you were planning on attending. You filled it out and about 1 month prior to the event you would get a form and send in your money and hope you got a confirmation back that you got in. There would be 100+ entries for the national and only 30+ for the divisional held at the same track. Now if you want to race at the big races, you have to participate at the smaller ones first. They had to develop a system and this one works for the majority of the racers.
How many people remember back before there were run "sessions" for your class??? Now that was a crap shoot on getting to run.
Dan
SC4698

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Boy you're one of the lucky ones. The lot where NHRA let us pre stack was a total gong show. If everyone went by the order they arrived and were in line things would have gone smooth. I know of a couple of screaming matches and lots of butting in line. Just no common sense by some racers.

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Everyone acts like they are picking land to build a house and live there for 30 years. Its just a pit spot for 3 days people! We are lucky there is even a race track in the area that we can all play at.

See everyone tomorrow in the dust bowl. I hear the beer is just as cold there as it is in a paved spot.

Brad

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That's the right attitude.

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It's funny how everyone knows what the system is and who they got in line behind, but it's the same people that try to circumvent the system that causes all of the trouble. We all have the stacking schedule, if you can't get there early don't try to change the system. That's when all of the "discussions" start.
I will concede that the Wild Horse Pass event is a giant cluster***k before the stacking line opens.
Dan