Scouring the NHRA classification guides for a particular car
 

I've been comparing rear wheel drive station wagons with two pedals, that are fast, or at least fast-ish.

And I am finding that scouring the classification guides can be quite time consuming...

If I'm reading the guides correctly, the '66 Chevy II wagon with a 275 horsepower 327 is a natural G/SA car, and could run F/SA if it could be build light enough.

What else should I be looking at? Something reasonably affordable (within the context of NHRA Stock Eliminator racing), or at least not obscenely expensive, would be a bonus.

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66 Chevy 2 wagon 275 car (rated at 274) would be a Natural G car. Can move weigh to run F or H. *** I was thinking this motor was rated 271? Hmmm

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If you're considering an automatic car, there are 2 Malibu wagons for sale in the for sale section. One is dirt cheap, the other is running a second under at this years gators. Also another at a second under. There's a guy out west that does very well with one of these. Running F,G or H with a 327 wagon , high 10's low 11's will not be a cheap date.

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Dwight's Stock/Super Stock classification/tech. site will simplify the process for you.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/CGPage...AKE=Chevy%20II

Also, note that the camshafts are different between the '66 and the later 327-275's.

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If you would consider a 84 cutlass 305/metric 200 JKL/SA we have one for sale J A Sherman 305 have comp build sheet and dyno data..new seats new TA shifter etc I'm ready to make a deal....this combo got 5HP decrease in Jan.

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Getting closer with my 88 oldsmobile custom cruiser wagon in U/SA. I'm hoping for 9 under and cheap

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How about a Jeep Comanche pickup? Not a wagon, but?? 1.20 under and nobody can hit your Horsepower. See my add on Racing Junk. Bob
R/SA 1051

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6130? You a D6 racer? Anything Jody drives might do. Jody included if you can swing it.

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Not really sure but I think he is talking about ”fast Stocker wagons” and not fast against the index or Cars winning alot of rounds!

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Yes, you are correct. My question was specifically about Stock Eliminator station wagons that were quick in terms of low(ish) ETs, regardless of index.

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6130 was my Division 6 NHRA Pro ET number through the 1990 season. I had a little Mazda rotary-powered door car that would roughly approximate a C/MC car of that vintage.

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Thanks. I registered, and started poking around. Currently exploring the '63-'64 Dodge 330 and 440 wagons, equipped with "425 horsepower" 426 engines, which at just less than 9 pounds per factored horsepower, should make them natural "B" cars, that could be adjusted to run "A" or "C".

I don't know Dodges well. Is that the 8-barrel Max Wedge RB engine?

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Work with us a little bit here.
Brand preference, size of wallet, etc.
You can run a 66 Fairlane SW, 427 /410 in C/SA
Max Wedge wagons run those classes too.
Sound good?

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Bingo. Thank you, Mark. I gotta go look up that '66 Fairlane wagon 427/410.

Not willing to spend as much as it would take to set a record in any particular class, but it would be silly to buy or build something that wouldn't at least run under index.

I don't really have much brand preference. I like oddball cars. Heck, I'd be interested in an SS/VX car, if I thought they were capable of going rounds...

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One of the previously mentioned Max Wedge wagons that runs in C/SA:
[url=https://flic.kr/p/21Xsw4U]https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4576/...7817f44e_b.jpg
Chris Barnes

Note: I had a 77 Rotary pick up with a 13B. Awesome motor.

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There was also Jimi Vignogna's Behemoth 62 Dodge wagon which ran C or D/SA with a 413/ 395 ? Still being raced by Carl Roberts in the midwest. I have seen that car go 10's

If you want to run a Chevy a combination I stumbled on in building my 1965 Impala 396/325 car, there was also a one year 396/425 option , factored back to 395 HP , 405 with aluminum heads. In a wagon it would be a E/S car.

Will Lampecht
1965 Impala 396/325 I/SA

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Take a look at the '63 Biscayne wagon with either the 409-400 (365) or the 425 (385). The 425 horse can run D and the 400 goes E at virtually the same weight. One of those with a well done 3 spd. auto would be fun. Denny Ford runs a '62 409/409 sedan.

And 409 parts are more plentiful and a bunch cheaper than the Max Wedge or big Ford stuff.

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If you want fast for index, Downings wagon ran 1.13 under Thursday, 15000. buys it. They are in Michigan, someone else is interested, I have messaged Charlie 3 times about it and even made an offer that he refused.

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‘67 Fairlane SW is available with 427/425 engine. 66 Chevelle is available with a 396.

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That 325/320 deal is a good one. ;) -Al

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If you want something oddball, I've always wondered how my wagon would run with a stick. 77/79 Pacer wagon, 258 2 barrel. Has run 1.20 under with an automatic, cheap to build, cheap to run, reliable. 77 Hornet wagon would also work.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

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Yeah, I saw the 8-barrel 427/425 for the '66-'67 Fairlane wagon. A natural C/SA car.

But I'm guessing that cars like that, and the Max Wedge wagons, may be prohibitively expensive.

The '66 Chevelle wagon with the 396/325 will run F/G/H, but everybody has a '66 Chevelle- heck, I had one back in college.

A more realistic approach might be the '78-'79 GM A-body wagon with the Chevy 350 4-barrel engine, currently factored at 287 horsepower. I think there are Chevrolet, Pontiac, and Buick versions. Could run G/H/I Stock, and probably a lot more affordable than the 8-barrel big-block cars I was exploring.

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Yes they were.

My car was pretty crude and didn't cost a lot of money, but I raced it twice a week for 10 years, and had a lot of fun along the way. Incredibly reliable, required almost no maintenance, and only burned about a gallon of pump 87 unleaded a week. It started out as my work commuter, and then one thing led to another. I built the 12A engine on a kitchen chair in my house. I kept it down to 9,000 rpms, because the entire rotating assembly was stock. 6.17 gears and 25.5" slicks. It ran high 11s with a little 4776 Holley carb and an open header with a megaphone, at full weight. It was the only car in my class that was not an American V8. Hiked the tires in the first three gears, fantastically loud, and shot flames 20 feet behind the car when I let off at the top end. I probably won more races due to how distracting the car was, rather than any actual skill that I may or may not have had, and I was in the money regularly.

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I would consider selling my V/SA Aspen wagon. It will need a little work to get going again but nothing to hard or expensive. 6k with all Slant 6 parts I have or 9k with a good legal and fast 360 combo.

http://www.autoimagery.com/gallery/v...00497.jpg.html

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What class does the legal and fast 360 combo run, and how far under does it run?

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You said you like oddball stuff? Buy it and make it into a LeBaron woodie . Lower rating..Runs N/SA

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If I buy or build a wagon, it will definitely be in woodie livery.

Now I gotta go look up the fastest Olds Vista Cruiser wagon.

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Looks like the '70 Vista Cruiser wagon with the 455/365 engine is an H/I/J car...

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I did a query on my database to list all the SWs. Some of the oddball cars that came to the top of the list are a 1961 Ford 2 dr Ranch Wagon 390/401hp and 1961 Chev Brookwood 409/409. Of course, those would be manual trans only. 1967 Comet Voyager 427 8V is the top of the list and there are many 1966-1969 Chevrolet combinations with 427/425 power. An unexpected one is a 1968 Mercury Montego MX with 428/335 (CJ powered Comet station wagon???? Never heard of it.) or 427/390, which would be available with auto. Several combinations of 1970-71 Ford 429s are there along with 1970-75 Chevelle big blocks.

Your choice of the 1978-79 G-body 350 is a decent one for availability, cost and competitiveness.

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It may not be as sexy as some of the others, but I think you may be right.

And since other A/G-body wagons up to 1983 can be back-dated to '78-'79 status, It makes it a little more viable.

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Google

Stock Eliminator, Chris Whitney

Watch YouTube of his wagon, very cool car.

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Yes.

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Bobby Black from the Indianapolis area raced a '78 Malibu wagon for years with a stick. I did a pair of heads for him once upon a time. A very competitive car. I'm sure he is retired and the car is long gone now.

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Bobby left us a few years ago:

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/in...&pid=151639807

He usually ran that car in J.

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Bobby Black was a wonderful man and a fierce competitor with his stick shift wagon. His son Danny built a 78 or so Nova and ran it in stock Eliminator for many seasons. Perhaps he still has his dads wagon ??

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Wow...sounds like he was a great guy...

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Came across an interesting one tonight:

The 1970 Tempest wagon with the "350hp" 400 is an 11.05 pound car in Stock, making it an F/G/H car.

But I don't know the last time I ever saw a 1970 Tempest wagon...if ever...

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Back in the '70s Gary and Charlene Woods ran a 1971 Lemans wagon called Tons of Fun. They ran D1 races. I was introduced to it at Utica Rome Dragway.

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I remember that wagon quite well. Lifted the left front about a foot every pass! Always thought it was 455 powered.

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