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cicero819 05-13-2018 08:46 AM

Why is Ford getting out of building sedans?
 
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I read a little while ago, that Ford is getting out of building sedans. I know the reasoning behind it, they sell more trucks than sedans but they're just beginning building really fast cars.lol This 2017 Ford Fusion V6 TT AWD ran some 12.90's at 106mph.at my local track with no problems.

X-TECH MAN 05-13-2018 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cicero819 (Post 563035)
I read a little while ago, that Ford is getting out of building sedans. I know the reasoning behind it, they sell more trucks than sedans but they're just beginning building really fast cars.lol This 2017 Ford Fusion V6 TT AWD ran some 12.90's at 106mph.at my local track with no problems.

You can NOT give away junk so how can they expect to sell it !

rawhide 05-13-2018 12:02 PM

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There must be more to scale of sales needed than I understand. They sold over 209000 Fusions in 2017. You would think they made money on that many cars.

Roland

John Kissel 05-13-2018 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 563037)
You can NOT give away junk so how can they expect to sell it !

Just perhaps maybe people like me,6'3" and 250lbs.not being able to bend enough to get in and out could be a reason.John Kissel

voltdr 05-13-2018 10:23 PM

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Which brand is the "Official Car of NHRA"................................
Dan

House of Darts 05-14-2018 12:15 AM

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Don't forget about all the GM crap that's been coming from China in the last few years. Not sure if this is a completely correct answer but the big 3 have always had problems making a profit from building subcompacts.The Japanese make money because they have developed a system over the years. Its hard to beat them. China **** is one thing, what about the Indian ****/CRA*. Their manufacturing processes, from the items that I have bought for my business, make the Model T look like aircraft grade. I'm thinking that cars from the 60-70's that have a good source of aftermarket parts are the automotive deal for the future.Updated and government restriction free. they will get you from A to B is style with reasonable economy and comfort. You will need to know how to drive a car(non autonomous).

X-TECH MAN 05-14-2018 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by John Kissel (Post 563083)
Just perhaps maybe people like me,6'3" and 250lbs.not being able to bend enough to get in and out could be a reason.John Kissel

Heh Heh I knew someone would respond sooner or later. . I loved my 1963 390 Police interceptor Fast Back with a 4 speed I had a few years back. It was like new with 53,000 original miles. It was Black with a Red interior and straight as an arrow. You probably could melt it down and make 6 newer Fords out of the steel in it. I love older Mustangs up thru 1970. and most older Fords but you can keep the new stuff. Wished I had kept the 63 !

X-TECH MAN 05-14-2018 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by voltdr (Post 563085)
Which brand is the "Official Car of NHRA"................................
Dan

Who cares !

X-TECH MAN 05-14-2018 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by House of Darts (Post 563089)
Don't forget about all the GM crap that's been coming from China in the last few years. Not sure if this is a completely correct answer but the big 3 have always had problems making a profit from building subcompacts.The Japanese make money because they have developed a system over the years. Its hard to beat them. China **** is one thing, what about the Indian ****/CRA*. Their manufacturing processes, from the items that I have bought for my business, make the Model T look like aircraft grade. I'm thinking that cars from the 60-70's that have a good source of aftermarket parts are the automotive deal for the future.Updated and government restriction free. they will get you from A to B is style with reasonable economy and comfort. You will need to know how to drive a car(non autonomous).

I agree....Most new stuff is pure junk. I have a 2010 Corvette and wished I had NEVER bought it. My 67 and 79 is twice the car. NO COMPUTERS ! I raced my old 1969 Corvette back in 1970-1972. I could take it apart and back together blind folded. The 2010.......NO WAY !

Dan Lattimore 05-14-2018 09:54 AM

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Who cares !

Terry -- You been hangin around with Walter Matthau and Jack Lemon too long . ------ And why the he!! did you let that black phord go . 427 390 ? 2dr. 4dr ? Pictures ? :)

voltdr 05-14-2018 11:56 AM

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Who cares !

I don't. It shows where the interest lies......NOT with Ford.......

FireSale 05-14-2018 12:28 PM

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The Fusion is a nice car, but there isn't a lot of demand for it worldwide. It's a small SUV type vehicle in Europe and isn't sold in China. F Series trucks outsold it something like 4-1 in 2017. There's a high performance Focus on the way and the Mustang will move up to the NASCAR cup series next year to replace the Fusion. I think the Fusion body would make a nice SS/GT conversion car.

I don't know who really makes it, but there is a street Cadillac out at the track running in the 11s.

Jim Caughlin 05-14-2018 01:11 PM

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A 4door is not legal for SS/GT. Not that it applies here but a 2 door has to have been originally available with at least a V6 or it is not legal either. Also not that it applies but SS/GT repl drivetrains need to be a V8 combo only, no V6 or 4 cylinder combo are allowed.

X-TECH MAN 05-14-2018 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Lattimore (Post 563107)
Terry -- You been hangin around with Walter Matthau and Jack Lemon too long . ------ And why the he!! did you let that black phord go . 427 390 ? 2dr. 4dr ? Pictures ? :)

Hi Dan...That was long before I move down to Fla. I bought it from Dickie Estivez. It was a fast back two door bench seat Galaxy . I had a brain fart I guess. Wished I still had it. It was a 390 Police Interceptor with solid lifters. It was like new. Getting rid of it is just one of those things I wished I had never done like getting married and having kids....LOL. Back then it was just a car and only paid Dickie around $9500 for it in the middle 1990's. I have a cpl. of pictures but I'm not sure if I can post them ? I will try.

rawhide 05-14-2018 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FireSale (Post 563122)
The Fusion is a nice car, but there isn't a lot of demand for it worldwide. It's a small SUV type vehicle in Europe and isn't sold in China. F Series trucks outsold it something like 4-1 in 2017. There's a high performance Focus on the way and the Mustang will move up to the NASCAR cup series next year to replace the Fusion. I think the Fusion body would make a nice SS/GT conversion car.

I don't know who really makes it, but there is a street Cadillac out at the track running in the 11s.

The Fusion is known as the Mondeo other than in North America and they sold about 200,000 units in 2017. That with NA sales makes about 400,000 plus sales for the car.

Roland

Dan Lattimore 05-14-2018 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 563130)
Hi Dan...That was long before I move down to Fla. I bought it from Dickie Estivez. It was a fast back two door bench seat Galaxy . I had a brain fart I guess. Wished I still had it. It was a 390 Police Interceptor with solid lifters. It was like new. Getting rid of it is just one of those things I wished I had never done like getting married and having kids....LOL. Back then it was just a car and only paid Dickie around $9500 for it in the middle 1990's. I have a cpl. of pictures but I'm not sure if I can post them ? I will try.

Sounds like something Dickie would have . You're right , they were just cars at the time. Like everybody else I wish I had em all back . Unbelievable the cool cars I had and took for granted.

D.Johns 05-14-2018 07:31 PM

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“Why did Ford get out of building sedans?”

Is what the next CEO will be asking when they are pulled in from another company to save the big blue oval once again.

It nearly did not recover Jacques Nasser house of Brands that was a huge miss step.

I miss Mulally

FireSale 05-14-2018 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rawhide (Post 563143)
The Fusion is known as the Mondeo other than in North America and they sold about 200,000 units in 2017. That with NA sales makes about 400,000 plus sales for the car.

Roland

Thanks. I looked for variants sold/made overseas but missed that.

bigcam 05-15-2018 08:26 AM

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D. Johns, as a sizeable stock holder, former LM dealer and, current Expy and Mustang owner; YOU HIT THE TARGET. Current management is weak. Bench don't look too good either! I really miss Alan.

jmcarter 05-15-2018 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by D.Johns (Post 563149)
“Why did Ford get out of building sedans?”

Is what the next CEO will be asking when they are pulled in from another company to save the big blue oval once again.

It nearly did not recover Jacques Nasser house of Brands that was a huge miss step.

I miss Mulally

Actually worked for Mulally at Boeing (granted, a few ‘notches’ below him) and what a great leader. We knew he would right the ship and that’s exactly what he accomplished. Many of the ills suffered by any organization (NHRA is one prime example) is often self-inflicted by the lack of leaders with energy and vision. They also don’t marginalize any of their constituents. Think Ford has made a grave error here relative to their US market.

btrc 05-15-2018 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rawhide (Post 563143)
The Fusion is known as the Mondeo other than in North America and they sold about 200,000 units in 2017. That with NA sales makes about 400,000 plus sales for the car.


When I was in Germany last year I saw some Fusions (maybe Mondeos) that were sport wagons sort of like the Dodge Magnum. I wished they had those over here, really sharp.

Dan Fahey 05-15-2018 12:54 PM

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Sounds like Management through Bookkeeping instead of having Engineers run the company.

That is what happened to save GM when the Bean Counters were replaced with real car people.
Soon after GM started winning best in class..

Only vehicle that got such a commendation was the Ford Expedition.

Cadillac is going through an identity crisis
Not sure losing Pontiac and Oldsmobile was a good idea.
But GM has done well.

L Peterson6261 05-15-2018 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cicero819 (Post 563035)
I read a little while ago, that Ford is getting out of building sedans. I know the reasoning behind it, they sell more trucks than sedans but they're just beginning building really fast cars.lol This 2017 Ford Fusion V6 TT AWD ran some 12.90's at 106mph.at my local track with no problems.

Rumor is many of the new car manufactures are getting out of sedans and going to SUV's and pickups. More people want pickups and SUV's... supply & demand :)

jwsamuel 05-15-2018 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by House of Darts (Post 563089)
The Japanese make money because they have developed a system over the years.

The Japanese did not develop the system. The Japanese implemented a system developed by American Arthur Deming. He tried to get the US carmakers to use his system but they told him to get lost.

jwsamuel 05-15-2018 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cicero819 (Post 563035)
I read a little while ago, that Ford is getting out of building sedans.

What Ford really said was that it is going to stop building sedans in the USA. Ford did not say it would not sell cars in the US that were made somewhere else.

rawhide 05-15-2018 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by btrc (Post 563167)
When I was in Germany last year I saw some Fusions (maybe Mondeos) that were sport wagons sort of like the Dodge Magnum. I wished they had those over here, really sharp.

In Europe the Mondeo/Fusion and the Focus are still available as wagons.

D.Johns 05-15-2018 10:37 PM

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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/30/ford...hoo&yptr=yahoo


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