'65 Belvedere in SS/AA?
 

Checking out the quals at Jeg's Sportsnats the weekend, and noticed this: # 6 Jason Shumate, Memphis, Ind., ’65 Belvedere, 8.750, 0.950.
Hmm, that's pretty sporty, so I looked him up, he runs in SS/AA?Qualifies good at lot of races, Best appearing car awards, He's the real deal, but what am I missing about the Belvedere in AA?

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Natural B car, allowed to add or remove weight to move up or down one class. So it can run A, B, or C.

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I did not know that! I just always thought '65 was a "B" car period. So can '68 "A" Cuda or Dart add weight to run "B"? Not sure what HP factor is now, does he weigh same as the '68's to run in "A"?

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No, the '68 cars cannot move. They are AH only, except for the cars running GT. I think NHRA added HP to the GT combo though to discourage that. As far as the weight, a little less actually. The '65 can run at 3170 in A, where I believe the AH cars are 3200 minimum.

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That is interesting. IIRC, we used to weigh 3260 in IHRA trim about a hundred years ago. So he's basically getting almost a 100lb break and giving up some aero with the same engine pkg? Speaking for myself, I'd like to see some B cars in the Hemi Challenge, would be a change from all Cudas and Darts. The purists would hate that, though! :D

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Am I missing some nuance in the rules? The car runs AA so would it not have to be a natural A car?

Thanks,
Bill

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SS/AA reads as Super Stock/ A Automatic. There is no double A class in Super Stock. You are thinking of Stock classes.

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Duh...

Thanks Travis, my keene sense of the obvious failed me. Not enough coffee yet.

Bill

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Don't feel bad, I've had all my coffee allotment for the day and I'm still a little confused........So, he's running a natural B car in SS/AH not AA? So, in theory, he would be eligible for Hemi Challenge unless there is a rule allowing only '68s?
Terry

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Old sheet but, AA and AH in here if you scroll down.


US Nationals Indy
Wed, 31 Aug 2011, 04:10 PM
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Super Stock Mopar Qualifying, Session #1 Order (Revised)

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CLERMONT, Ind. - Revised order after one round of qualifying in Super Stock at the NHRA Full Throttle Drag Racing Series, 57th annual Mac Tools U.S. Nationals presented by Lucas Oil:
Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

13. 107 SS/AS Wes Leopold, Bridgeville PA, '93 Daytona 8.630 9.60 -0.970

19. 7405 SS/EA Eric Bell, Chandler AZ, '70 Challenger 9.421 10.35 -0.929

26. 3774 SS/AA Jason Shumate, Memphis IN, '65 Belvedere 8.803 9.70 -0.897

34. 3651 SS/AH Charlie Westcott Jr., Parma MI, '68 Barrac 8.425 9.30 -0.875

37. 4688 SS/JA Mike Cotten, Broken Arrow OK, '70 Barracuda10.135 11.00 -0.865

38. 4300 SS/BM Lloyd Wofford, Jonesboro AR, '05 Stratus 8.343 9.20 -0.857

44. 3036 SS/AH Charlie Westcott, Parma MI, '68 Barracuda 8.461 9.30 -0.839

51. 4208 SS/IA James Caro, Houma LA, '10 Challenger 9.897 10.70 -0.803

55. 100H SS/AH Tyler Hard, Harrisburg PA, '68 Barracuda 8.507 9.30 -0.793

68. 4260 SS/JA J.W. Hames, Madison MS, '78 Volare 10.233 11.00 -0.767

76. 14 GT/JA Tom Sheehan, Belle Vernon PA, '00 Sebring 10.550 11.30 -0.750

84. 1945 SS/AH Gary Wolkwitz, Annandale NJ, '68 Dart 8.586 9.30 -0.714

89. 1968 SS/AH Chuck Comella, Sanibel FL, '68 Dart 8.600 9.30 -0.700

94. 350 SS/AH Jim Pancake, Delaware OH, '68 Dart 8.635 9.30 -0.665

96. 138 SS/AH Wendell Howes, Rathesby NB, '68 Barracuda 8.640 9.30 -0.660

98. 47 SS/AH Joe Teuton, Schriever LA, '68 Barracuda 8.650 9.30 -0.650

100. 452 SS/AH Steven Kent, Lottie LA, '69 Barracuda 8.653 9.30 -0.647

104. 403H SS/AH Stephen Hebert, Westlake LA, '68 Barracuda 8.706 9.30 -0.594

106. 3388 GT/EA Mark Nowicki, ******* MI, '98 Avenger 10.072 10.65 -0.578

108. 18 SS/AH David Barton, Robesonia PA, '68 Dart 8.731 9.30 -0.569

112. 4222 SS/AH Fred Henson, Madisonville TX, '68 Dart 8.742 9.30 -0.558

113. 1381 SS/AH Mark Howes, Rothesay NB, '68 Dart 8.743 9.30 -0.557

115. 364 SS/B Tony DePillo, Dayton OH, '64 Savoy 9.414 9.90 -0.486

116. 3443 SS/FA Mike Wagner, Lapeer MI, '09 Challenger 9.968 10.45 -0.482

120. 426 SS/AH Daniel Rogers, Lockport LA, '68 Barracuda 8.916 9.30 -0.384

121. 1979 SS/AH John Baughman, York PA, '68 Dart 8.988 9.30 -0.312

122. 5583 SS/AH Dan Zrust, Maple Grove MN, '68 Barracuda 9.032 9.30 -0.268

124. 335 SS/AH Jeffrey Kobylski, Macomb Twp MI, '68 Dart 9.090 9.30 -0.210

125. 316D GT/TD Carey Bales, Lebanon IN, '96 Dakota 11.312 11.30 0.012

127. 5529 SS/AH Russ Campbell, Springfield MO, '68 Barracu 9.725 9.30 0.425

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Terry,
As you can see the SS/AH cars are all 68 Darts and Barracudas.

The car at Bowling Green that we are talking about was running SS/AA. As a side note a very cool car.

Bill

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And we're off........

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AH was created for the '68 Hemi Darts and Barracudas.

The '64 and '65 cars would make for some good entertainment in the Hemi Challenge though. Jerry Epperson, and Joe Aluise both tried it a number of years back before NHRA created "AH". I think Tony DePillo may have as well with his '64 car.

There is no doubt Tony could have went a round or two last year at Indy in the Hemi Challenge with as well as his '64 car was running at that race.

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Beautiful car!

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I sure am! I just don't have the money. :D

Pete

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Absolutely gorgeous!! Has anyone done a feature article on it? I mean, its a B car running In A, he's qualifying well and there's prob some history behind the car that is not well known. If that's not interesting enough for a feature, somebody might as well close shop!

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I still thought that there was a limit on the amount of weight that could be removed to move up a class, shows how up to date I am.
I knew the 1964 cars with aluminum heads used to get to run A.
I'd like to know more about that car also. If it can get 400 lbs under shipping weight to SS/A minimum, that's a pretty trick car.

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I know when these cars were new they were delivered quite a bit under the shipping weight that had been given to NHRA.

I was at the 1965 Springnationals and I am pretty sure both the winner and runner up in class got tossed for illegal ballast.

So my guess is its a lot easier to go up a class with these cars than to go down a class.

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Shumate's car has a Holt chassis, who built the strong engine and applied the beautiful paint scheme?

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