1968 Camaro in C/SA?
 

1968 Camaro in C/SA? What combo would this be? 350 hp 396 ?

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Yes, lightened to run C. Natural D car.

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If you are alluding to Kevin Zasko he could be racing Downing Farms corvette at Norwalk. I know he raced the corvette in C SA at Joliet. I have never seen him run C in his 68 Camaro but I have had numerous birthday cakes in my lifetime....

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I don't think the auto combo will make it. it is rated at 340 hp on classracerinfo.com it shows
E natural / D lighten / F weighted?

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68 camaro
396

350hp

9.59 Natual D car can run C-E
9.76
10.45
10.61

340

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It is my understanding that the 1968 Camaro with the 396 / 350 hp combo was a Stick Shift ONLY combo??

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The guide is pretty clear there is a weight break for stick and TH. The 375 396 and 302 are the only stick only combos in a 68 Camaro. This has been this way for 40 years

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Guys this is the new NHRA where you can make up a combo and run whatever class you want. Just ask Jimmie Bridges. He’s been doing it for years.

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Lol.

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No, the guide lists it with manual and automatic transmissions.

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I must be getting old.... So the 1968 car will make it to C/SA BUT the 1969 will not because of the 25 lbs difference in shipping weight. Is that correct?

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Yes 68 camaro 350 hp came with automatic I've switched back and forth 325 to 350 hp over the years

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What do run? Where have you won? What records have you set? Have you ever even made a pass down a track? Looks like you only get on here to bash someone or their work. You like calling out names, how about you call out yours. How about you climb in a class and see how well you do.

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My mentors in this whole deal told me to study the book. There are good combos, bad combos and back in the day a car that broke 10.00 was a hell of a lot better than one that broke 10.49. Cars would not be built over the place where they broke in the guide. I built a whole new car in a 65 Plymouth Valiant convertible for weight break alone.

So the bottom line is the guide is full of cars that miss a class by 5 pounds.

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I believed for years that Chevrolet never put a solid lifter motor in front of an automatic until '69 but somewhere along the way the '68 Chevelle with the 375/396 was allowed to run with an automatic, maybe Dwight can fill us in on when that happened.


My car misses the 11lb break by 2 lbs @ 10.99.

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I was not trying to be a jack azz I just wanted to know if I was looking at things the right way.
I see the shipping weight diffidence now, as I was unaware of this fact.
It is interesting.
Thank you for your clear guidance on this topic.

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I’m not sure what any of that has to do with the facts at hand. Poor Jimmy Allund came all the way across the pond with his Nova, ran it in the wrong class as was DQ’d after qualyfying. Why the double standard?

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If only you actually had a grasp on the facts.............


:rolleyes:

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I see the facts in the black and white in the NHRA classification guide.

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Yeah, well what you don't see, or grasp, is that NHRA officials told Jimmy his car was legal to run SS/B after they added HP to that combination because he was going too fast in SS/C (he alone pushed the combination well below 0.85 under) and after he set the record, in Bowling Green, in August. So, you falsely accused Jimmy of making up rules. Jimmy asked NHRA if the additional HP made his car legal to run SS/B, and NHRA told him yes, and passed it through tech as being legal.



Oh, the reason the NHRA official told Jimmy he could move was because the HP was put on the combination strictly by him, so that official said that the HP was on the aluminum heads, because Jimmy had only run the aluminum heads and he was the only one running the combination.




Funny, Dallas Kelly never complained about Jimmy running SS/B. Neither did A.H. Adkins. Neither did Steve Kent or J. Allen Sherman. The hitters in SS/B never seemed to be bothered by Jimmy Bridges being in the class with them.

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Fascinating story, but what does this have to do with Jimmy Alund's Nova stocker?

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Read the entire thread, then ask Fred. Fred thinks he knows.




There's a big difference between the two (actually, there's another instance identical to Alund's) circumstances, some people know what the difference is. Fred doesn't.

Re: 1968 Camaro in C/SA?
 

Alan,

Thank you for confirming he is racing a combo that doesn't exist in the guide. If another racer builds this combo, which NHRA tech official do they ask to run this special class and combo?

BTW I have nothing but upmost respect for Jimmy however his merits or circumstances doesn't make him exempt from the rules that everyone else has to adhere too.

Fred is right on this

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Dave,
With all due respect, "not in the guide"? Since when? Last I looked, the 65 Corvette 396/425 was in the guide. Jimmy's combination is just that, 1965 Corvette 396/425, manual transmission only. With aluminum replacement heads, 411HP as of 7/9/13, when Jimmy was, and still is last I looked, the only person racing that combination, iron heads or aluminum heads. In July of 2013, when they added HP, to the aluminum head ONLY, Jimmy was told, by an NHRA official, that the car could now legally move to SS/B. There was no "exemption", Jimmy asked a question, and was given an incorrect opinion, by an NHRA official. There's no "combination that does not exist in the guide", period.


By the way, after all of the complaining, by people who don't even run the class, Jimmy was informed by NHRA at Bowling Green on Memorial Day weekend that the opinion that he was given by the NHRA official was incorrect, and that he had to move to SS/C. No penalty was given, no reprimand was made, Jimmy was merely informed that the ruling by the NHRA official was incorrect.


So, no, Fred is not correct, at all. There's no made up combination, and no special exception made for Jimmy Bridges. There was just an honest mistake made by an NHRA official, nothing more, nothing less. The accusations that Jimmy Bridges asked for or was granted a special favor or exception, is racing a combination that is not in the guide, or that anyone did anything dishonest in the situation, are absolutely false.

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I don't have a dog in this fight, but I've been curious about the replacement heads and how you figure the class.
Looking at Jimmy's car, it has a factor of 7.65 with hp rating of 395 with cast heads. Multiply those together to get the shipping weight of 3022, which makes it a natural D car.
With the aluminum replacements heads hp of 411, wouldn't you divide the shipping weight by 411 to give the NHRA factor of 7.35? Which would make it a natural C car and be able to move up to B....

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Mark, that was the exact question posed to an NHRA Tech official when the HP factor on the replacement head combination went to 411. The answer Jimmy was given was "Yes". The reason given was that the aluminum head version of the combination had been hit with HP repeatedly, while the cast iron head combination remained the same, since no one was running it. So, rather than JUST the 10HP penalty for replacement heads, the replacement heads were now carrying 26 more HP.


However, that official's answer was apparently incorrect. The ruling given was that, no matter how much penalty is put on the replacement heads, the base class remains the same as if no replacement head is used. Of course, this could lead to a replacement head combination becoming illegal, since it could require more ballast to be added than is legal.

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But it have not it's own column in the guide then?
If not I think thats the bottom line in this, can anyone running replacement heads use this argument if they would like to try to move up another class or is it case by case?

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I just looked at the guide for 1965. The replacement head does have its own column.


However, once again, Jimmy was told, at Bowling Green, on Memorial Day weekend, that the base class of the car was the same as if it had iron heads, regardless of how much extra HP was put on the replacement heads. So the current combination can no longer be run in SS/B.