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I see NHRA added 50 to the Dodge Factory Cars. I mean the Chevrolet has to win. No Matter what. Only happens when the Dodges win. Don't matter who is working on them or tuning on them, the Chevrolet has to win by hook or crook. Mostly by crook. While we are at it, if you should desire to run a Hellcat in Stock, you only have to weigh 4770 lbs. That is like racing with 4 of me in the back seat. And all the new Stock Chevrolet Camaro are a few hundred lbs lighter than other new stock cars, but it's a Chevrolet. It has to win at any cost.

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Spot on MR. Jeff, shades of 72-73, I'll stand in your corner. A certain rpm limit also comes to mind.

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I see your point Jeff, but the older Chevy stuff, some of it anyway is rated out of competition, like my 69 Nova, 396 iron head rated @ 412. Only has to weigh 3875 in C/SA.

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They did add 50, then they didn't. They added 25 pounds to the Drag Pak Dodges minimum weight and reduced the minimum weight for the COPOs and Cobra Jets by 25 pounds. http://nhraracer.com/content/general...155&zoneid=132
So it's the same but different. Also, I think the minimum weight for a 2008 Cobra Jet 5.4 liter with the smaller blower is an exception to all of the other cars in the class at 3350 pounds.

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Not a good thing...............
Hey NHRA, leave FS alone for at least a little while!!!!!

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I agree. This must be payola parity. For the record I am a Chevy guy! LOL

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This is disheartening, the beginnng of the end in my opinion.

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Did NHRA have ALL the factory stocks that qualified in the barn to see if they were a legal field or are they just using the illegal bogus Dodge that was DQed TWICE as an example to add weight ?

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Adding 50 to mopar ,taking 25 off chev and ford,show me parity ,WTF is that

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That's what ya get for 'dominating' a Chevy race. Who didn't see this coming? Glad I didn't drop my $1/4 million into it. Shades of the death of Hemis in early '70's Pro Stock. (AND '16 for that matter!)

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Can't hang with the Dodges ? Then work on your stuff ! And yes I'm a Chevy guy too !

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71,72 All over again. hey Dodge you sponsor a couple of races perhaps you should have a word with NHRA. time for the chevy and Ford guys to get to work. No one was upset when the copo cars were kicking butt the last few years

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Was pretty embarrassing that you all kicked thier *** at the Chevy us Nationals but it’s bull**** because you guys worked and improved from last year now you gotta tow a trailer ... if I hadn’t lost 40 pounds I’d volunteer to drive so you didn’t have to modify the vehicles

And BTW we missed you at Indy sir 😬

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Hey NHRA, leave it alone!!!! You finally have a heads up class that people are interested in watching and participating. Let the Ford and Chevy guys go to work and try to out run the Dodge's, that's what makes it a competition and brings the best out of every camp. And for the record I'm a FFFFord guy.






Bret Velde
2003 ???

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Watching the posts on the Nats, and what scant TV coverage there was, I find the Factory Stock class more interesting than Pro Stock and believe it generates more interest in our sport than Pro Stock does. NHRA can and probably will tinker with this class until it is just another prevue for highlighting one particular brand - and it will die just as Pro Stock appears to be doing. Just my .02.

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Factory Stock Showdown is for the factory hot rods to rip it up. Here we go again, NHRA setting rules and then changing them.

Leave this class alone. Let the other guys (Ford and Chevy) work on their stuff and run with the Dodges.

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NHRA just leave things alone! They have something that is good and is drawling fan interest and they have to screw with things.

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If you look at the first 2015 DragPac Dodge that made its debut in the spring of 2016 compared what is running now in 2018 that it still being called a 2015 they are very different cars. Cut out radiator supports, been at least 5 different blocks. A blower spacer and some other updates that just showed up on these cars. If you go to Ford and Chevrolet and want to buy parts to build a XX car you can go anywhere and buy the same parts these guys are running. With the Dodge you have to buy from DSR and that’s the only place you can get it. Only a few select people have been able to acquire replacement parts for these cars. Dodge makes and keeps developing new parts for the car they built 3 years ago without any prior approval from NHRA. This is not what the class was supposed to become.
There is more to this story than the world picking on Dodge. Plus they are 5 MPH faster than any of the other competition. There are real good
people working on Chevrolet’s and Fords. When they are a 10th + behind that’s a problem. .06 or so that’s just a slight advantage.

Is 50 pounds really going to hamstring this dominant cars? Absolutely not. They will still be a tenth ahead of everyone else. To keep the class growing, exciting and maintain some parody some concessions have to be made for the good of the class. If it was a Chevrolet or Ford dominance it would should still be wise to do the same. Keep your heart out of your judgement and look at the class as a whole.

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Like Jeff said, it's more than just the showdown cars. For example, why is the 2015 Camaro SS shipping weight only 3320, a good 500 lbs less than what they actually are? The 2010 has what appear to be far more legitimate weights, 3780 automatic and 3849 stick. Are there other examples where the weight is that far from reality?


EDIT: I did find another one. 2009-2013 Challengers at 3600 lbs. That's every bit as bogus.

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I'm also with you here Jim.

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It's inconceivable to me that after screwing Pro Stock up beyond repair, NHRA would double down on the logic that begat that mess!

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I am a 66 year old spectator but screwin’ the rules like this in racing is the same as “No Child Left Behind” in education.
In education.... some people are just smarter.
In racing ... some people are just faster.

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and not to take anything away from the Bartons and Pattersons or Kevin out there but......... after a year of "Sportsman" Racers doing their thing in FS, the whole thing has gotten polluted by the unlimited funds and influence of DSR Racing!

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National Dragster (9-7-18) has an article on DSR and Dodge`s FS program. The sportsman version of FS didn`t last very long.
Mike A114

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Billy, you are 100% correct, as always !

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Once all of the Federally regulated stuff like air bags, ABS, etc. is gone these cars get very light. It just doesn't make sense to add the amount of weight to these cars that you are asking. My 2015 is legal and weighs a little over 3100 lbs with driver when there is no ballast in it.

Also, the shipping weight for the 2010 is wrong. I purchased a zero option SS. It was quite a lot lighter than the published spec.

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Doesn't the F in FS mean factory? Don't blame Dodge if GM doesn't give support to their racers. If you don't have a pocketbook, stay away from this class.

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sorry, double post somehow

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There’s no crying emojis available here Ken!!!!

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Yes it does and if NHRA doesn't keep it's hands off of FS then soon the F will mean failing like their other "factory" class, Pro Stock.

If you do have a pocketbook and want to keep some of it while you're running this class then contact your favorite NHRA official and ask them to leave it alone!

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You know I have been a Chevy guy all my life. But it was getting old watching the COPO Show. The Mopar guys are getting their act together and that is good. Come on Ford and make it a better race. Hey COPO guys start tuning them up you have competition now. This will be fun to watch!!!!!

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It would be interesting if NHRA could get an untouched versions of all those engine, dyno them, and classify them all off that. Not the bogus low numbers MOPAR, GM & Ford have provided them.

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Obviously they could Dyno them and get a reality check on h.p. But then the manufacturers could potentially set up software ( like V.W did to their diesel motors to satisfy emissions ) to sense when being tested to dumb down the h.p, via timing, fueling, rpm,...Or possibly by
selling the vehicle with the out the door lower h.p, then offering a software update, new tuning instructions.

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I think NHRA was premature in changing the weight breaks right now. There is no question that the Dodges are making significantly more horsepower than Chevy or Ford, however I think there is significantly more factory involvement from Chrysler than the other two. The Challenger is the worst body of the three by a fair amount. Right now they all have the same blower and throttle body I think. Maybe some tweaks to the specs to help Chevy and Ford, cam lift, runner volume, who knows. The Dodges are just now starting to separate from the other two in no small part because of the factory involvement,DSR , Tony Bischoff and my buddy Kevin Helms working full time on them. Penalizing the Challengers seems like when you work hard and run faster you don’t get rewarded but thumped.

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Its a tuners race of who can go A to B the best. The result of the 25 lbs. addition to one car will in affect make the tires smaller. On the other side of the coin, the 25 lbs. reduction in the COPO and Fords will make the tires seem larger. The Dodge Boys will have to walk a finer knife edge to make a good run with an increased lbs./sq in. tire contact patch loading. The tuners job of the Ford's and Chevy's just got a little easier

With only two races left NHRA changes the rules.....

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Automatic Help For Slugs maybe could be used in some way here to take some workload off those fine gentlemen :D

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Maybe we are not looking at it from a tuners point of view, trying to stick a 9in tire with all that HP might be easier with a little extra weight. What will NHRA do then to equal "The Playing Field"

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Greg, what are the hp numbers to push those three front ends? If the powers that be take the route of pro stock, like a common template that heads down the same dead end that ruined pro stock.

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never mind dumb idea