Cheating [2-step And Buttons]
When Was The Last Time A Racer Was Tossed For Cheating With A 2 Step And Button In Stock?? How Many Infactions Have Occured This Year?? This Should Be The Bais That Nhra Should Use To Make The Decision On The 2 Step Button,not The Opinion Of Racers That Choose Not To Use A Button.
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Heck i don't even have a line loc let alone a 2 step
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Joe,,did you ever think that it may not be a cheating issue but an issue of either,,,, stockers didnt come with anything resembling a 2step/button controled leaving device,,,,,,OR the added advantage of correctly using one for the quicker cars,,,,,,,,for the majority of the ones using,,,,its just a go fast item,,,,for a minority that does use them correctly,,,it is nearly an unbeatable item that has a vast range of adjustability with just turning of knobs or changing a button or the combination of both
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Agreed,
A good way to prove what tim is talking about is to pull our your handy practice tree... Make 50 hits using your button. Make 50 hits with a foot pedal. Guarantee that your lights off the button are more consistent, and can be more easily adjusted than any footfeeder can. Plus the fact that if you hit the flash well, all you have to do is adjust the car and keep hitting the flash. Real race cars have 3 pedals! |
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How many times have we been here? Nobody that I know of besides muncy has been caught cheating in a while! As far as a go fast item, I believe if you ask anybody who uses one, 90% loose 2-5 hundredths in the 60' And your right about flash racing, it takes some room for error out, So go do it! Try it for your self! And I personaly believe that foot braking is easier in a real car then on a pratice tree! Norton, dont be pissed, cant you flash race just as easy in a stick car? No different than a trans brake! jmo...
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I can hit the tree harder and be more consistent off the footbrake than I can off the two-step. I've been footbraking for 10 years. However, I would like to have the opportunity to try the two-step again in the future. If they are not banned first. Two steps are a part of stock and should stay. In my family I'm the young guy who doesn't want to use the two-step, because i'm more comfortable footbraking. My dad has used the two-step for 12 years and is comfortable driving that way. Let everyone do what they want and stop tryin to change everything. Every person has a preference. It doesn't mean you should start trying to ban things because you personally do not like them. That isn't fair to the other guys.
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It was my good friend Al Peters that figured out the guy that was using a delay box in stock about 3 years ago at an NHRA national event. Don't remember the guys name. It's a pretty intersting story how AL figured it out. I'll tell ya at the track sometime if anyone is interested. Al gathered up the Emmons boys at the national event in Texas and they nabbed him.
But guess what. That guy had used the box in NHRA and IHRA and won in both bodies with it. It took another racer to find it. I just heard a story last weekend in Jackson about a SS racer that was caught with a box in a previous NHRA race. The story was from a guy that saw it first hand. I've personally never called anyone a cheater. I don't even think about it at the track. I always feel if I do my job I can win. Can't think of a sole that I think would cheat with a box. But every year or so someone is caught. Sittin at home, just thinking about things, I guess it's easy to think that 'someone'...'somewhere' is doing......'something'. Without a 2step it's 90% impossible to use a box. This is like what they say about locks I guess. It keeps honest people honest. Maybe no 2step/button would take the temptation away from an honest racer. If only 1 "hidden-delay-device " person a year decides to do otherwise it's worth it. I guess ? Remember that 2 steps have only been legal for a few years. They were not legal longer than they have been legal ( in Stock ). So history isn't an accurate way to judge this I believe. I can live with it either way. http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...andtheflag.jpg |
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The beginning of all of this can be traced back to the LED bulbs. With them it was easy to leave between bulbs, but now it is darn near impossible. |
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Lee,,,have you ever thought about blinding the tree and leaving on the second bulb?????,,,I know,,,I know,,its too quick,,,,BUT how about second gear at about 2500???? or even 3rd gear (if possible),,,,it could be worked out,,,VAN is doing it now and he is nearly perfect every pass in the Burb,,,,I seen a string of .00`s to .01`s that would make your mouth water,,,your car is fast enough to run under the index with no problem even leaving in 2nd and maybe 3rd,,,,,,need to try it at a frid test if it wont tear any thing up
you racers that have a heavy slow car can use a 2 step off the 2nd bulb leaving out of 2nd or third gear,,,,kills only about .5 to .60 tenths and still have the option of Flash racing like the faster cars......if 2steps/buttons stay legal,,,,,thats our intentions,,,,,,going to get a huge wagon that runs about 1.00 under and leave out of high gear,,,,,it will work ---or maybe a turbo car--who knows??? |
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I'm not taking up for anyone who has or was caught cheating. by the way if you know someone please post a name for the real racers to see?? i would like to know, not just talk about someone doing it just post their name and be done with it. As cheaters go at the Gainesville Nat'l event every winner in the first round was driven up on ramps and checked for line locks hooked to buttons by mr collins who takes sides with no one and not a single person was bounced so i know that the entire stock class was looked at, i dont know if every division does this but DIV 2 did no cheaters.
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The guy Al and the Emmons caught at Dallas name was Muncey, or something like that.
Of course if a guy gets caught cheating in Stock, he can always go to NHRA Pro Stock, Ala Dave Connally. http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...andtheflag.jpg |
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All you automatic guys just don't get it. A stick car leaves off the clutch it doesn't care when you release a button long throw short throw or hydraulic. It leaves when I let the clutch out. I say ban them in autos allow them in Sticks.
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Then just take the buttons out of the automatics but keep the 2 step....Just make it where there are no buttons. Then both the auto cars and the sticks are leaving off a pedal. Or is that still to much of an ""advantage"" for the auto cars? |
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As hard as this thing is on parts and discs in particular, I wouldn't dream of trying to leave in second gear. Last couple of times out I have had a pretty good handle on the tree, so hopefully tomorrow night I will be able to find it again... |
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Comparing stick cars in Stock with automatics is a bit like apples and oranges isn't it? As Rod says the launch is controlled solely by your left foot. The only electronics effecting the launch of the car is the wiring to your brain. What would be that plan to launch a stick car without a 2 step? Seems fairly clear without a two step the stick racers are not in the game. Keep the rpm control but leave with your foot. IMO that's Stock. Cam Chowen NHRA 6067 B/FI |
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Then we have a solution. Allow two steps, but only with a pedal activation. No advantage for sticks or automatics, and if you want to run one, you can, if you don't, footbrake away.
I have not been racing long, but learned footbraking. I have now made 14 passes using the two step and I must say it has greatly helped my consistency downtrack as I am leaving at the same RPM every time - still looking for the consistency off the line but I understand totally that comes with practice practice. And I am still trying to figure out a consistent way to stage with the two step, but with only 14 attempts, I don't expect miracles. There are SO SO SO many ways to lose in this sport. And with a slower car, I have an additional one with the first opportunity to redlight (I know, another discussion). Keep the two steps please, since this essentially is a bracket class and the consistency they offer helps a newbie like me even the playing field even just a bit. And for those "footbrake only" guys, try it some time. You might not be so quick to get them out of the sport. Might even want one on your car. |
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Norton...You need deep staging back! lol But thats a whole nother topic...I cant count the times that people have been caught cheating while deepstaging!
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Beth,,yes your car will be more consistent,,,yes,,it easier to hold,,,,yes,,you leave at exactly the same RPM,,,,,,,,,You will be extremely hard pressed to ever be consistent on the tree,,,,,,the reason is because you will have to rythm race to have any type of RT to be competitve,,,,not that it cant be done,,It can BUT your problem lies with the LED`s,,,,,,Almost everyone I know that rythm raced has an extreme tough time doing so now,,,,And Im not talking about racers who dont win,,,Im speaking of world champs,,,,track champs,,,A few, I consider some of the best on the planet,,,,,just cant do it anymore,,,,,,,,,In the neck of the woods where I race,,,how they dealt with this problem is they got faster cars,,,,,Its likely to go to a race and by the 3rd round, if your dialed 6.8`s,,,,your the slowest car in the field,,,,,,anyway
the reason I`m stating this is,,think what your trading off, the A-E cars are able to flash race and be .010 nearly every pass while slower cars (without the aid of deepstaging) are stuck rythm racing ,,,,IN your car,,no matter what your think,,,to have a good RT (between .000 and .020),,,you will need to leave about ..07 to .10 BEFORE the last LED,,,,,I know there will be those who claim,,,no not me,,,I see the last LED,,,,do yourself a favor ,,,go to a test and tune,,,,ask them to set for a .500 pro tree and just see,,,,,you will be surprised what you find,,,,, ,,,,,the one thing I keep hearing is that the "winners of the week" could win in anything,,,,,,,maybe thats true,,,so why are they driving A-d cars if they can win in a P/SA???.....just look at the results,,they dont lie,,,,,,why would you spend 50k in a car when you could spend only 10k in a car if there is no advantage???,,,,,It all comes back to the 2step/button leaving,,,, |
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If the button goes to the brake pedal a switch would have to be installed so it doesn't engage itself again at the finish line when you step on the pedal again. Ive done that before alot of banging and popping.
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I've driven a car that IS set up so the 2 step is only engaged in low gear on the line. SOME of you are making generalizations for others based on only YOUR car about no problems involved in "holding the car" on the line, The car I mention is NOT a SS car, it's a SLOW stocker. (See the "other" forum for a post by Lane Weber leaving Class Racing). This car has NO availability for larger drums, and therefore cannot be "held" at a decent rpm on the line. The brakes on this car basically suck, we used to footbrake it, but it cost ET. The car I mention STILL, after spending a bunch of money, and now having blown the new engine in less than a season, battling the index. Between letting this racer (who kicks our butts in anything, including a bathtub with wheels if it were available) no longer have a 2 step, and changing the index, he's basically done. Yes, some cars can hold just fine on the footbrake, but there are a select few that the combo just doesn't have that ability. Ok, put larger drums on, fine, IF available. He's tried vacuum cans and all the tricks, the car won't hold. So, now he's done with class racing. This man is a former WORLD CHAMP, not in Stock, but he's a former D5 champ in Stock, and so..........he's thinking he's just flat done. Thanks to the whiners and maybe a couple of cheaters. The technology is available, why can't we use it???? I think it just makes it so NHRA doesn't have to go looking, and I understand, it's a tough job, but taking out racers that don't have serious amounts of $$$ to change everything, isn't right.
BTW, NHRA has refused to change his hp in the past, yet there are combos in his class that have recieved hp back TWICE in just one year!!!! We started that combo in 1997, he's still battling it!!! He's written letters and the like, the person on the East Coast that has/had that combo ran well, but with WAY more funding. I think that the decision by NHRA is a hasty one. I know 2 other D5 racers that the changes will probably push out of competition as well. Kandra |
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Griffith...How does your leaving .07-.1 before the green come in to effect with some one who is blocking? Blocking is esintally a pro tree, right? And the A-B-C cars are built to chase, Not for buttons, I can block and use a button in a 1.60 60' car...I know of plent of L-M cars the 60' with that! As far as class combination goes...I hate to see what it will cost to win class in B-C-D when theres 15 per class! Cost goes up, payout goes down! I may have to take everything back that ive ever said about the I-side, swallow my pride and go race over there!
Bring Back Deepstaging! Leave The Buttons! Give Electro-Magnet Clutch Pedals! Leave The Classes The Same! Leave The Indexes! Change Change The AHFS...-1.10 under get auto 3hp everytime no matter where its at! Average of -.4 Gets 3hp Back! And Make It Count For Every Run, Not Just Qual/1st rd. Class! GO RACING!!! |
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it sounds to me that some of the stick guys
forget the fact that you still have to hold the car with your left foot and release the car with the same foot.weather your using a button or not you are stiill using both feet. joe mocci |
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stockracer, I don't think you get what Tim is saying. At this point in time slower cars have the ability to leave off of the flash due to the use of a two-step, but when you take it away, only the fast cars can leave on the flash. So in effect LEDs, no 2-step, and no deep staging have ruled out a real slow car. |
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Ok...I see...I didnt realize who 'Beth" was but that is a slower car...
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Stockracer,
Honestly, IHRA isn't bad at all and everyone I know in stock is friendly with eachother and would welcome you. Joe Mocci, I don't think that this whole two step issue was started to accuse peole of cheating. I think it is part of it, since buttons and two steps really open the door for those who want to cheat. I don't know if anyone is or not, but I also know that we never really get checked. Maybe that would change if tech would hire an electronic wiz and turn him loose on some people. Would be interesting. Jeff Day |
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Nice Post...stocker Who Knows Nhra Felt The Fi Cars Needed There Own Classes,now They Feel Differently,maybe The Ruling On Deep Staging Could Be Reconsidered Also. ......question For Nhra??? What Was The Reason Deep Staging Was Banned???was It Because If You Bitch Enough You Get Your Way?when Deep Staging Was The Hot Topic I Remember Racers Saying The Deep Stagers Would Play Games On The Starting Line.if Anyone Was At A Disadvantage It Was The Guy Going Deep.lets See You Have Deep On The Window,you Finsh Your Burnout
And Your Opponet Has All Ready Knocked Out 2 Bulbes,plus The Auto Start To Deal With. Now Whos Getting ****ed??but Thats Ok Because Its My Choice To Go Deep,all I Ask Is To Have That Choice Again. Joe Mocci |
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Kandra, my two step is activated with a switch on the console - I activate between pre-stage bulbs and I turn it off after I pull the 2-3, so when I brake after the run it is off. Makes a ton of racket if you forget! LOL |
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Beth: Lane's car, which I was fortunate to drive again and technically blow it up for him, since his first pass the following race (ET Finals) was where the bearing siezed on him, has the button on the brake pedal, up in the top, and is activated ONLY in low gear, the chances of hitting it on the top end are nil, but his car can finally stall at 3200 rpm, when I drove the car in 1997, I had to 2 foot it and the MOST stall we ever got was around 1800 rpm. The 2 step helped with some ET for him, and yes consistancy. He's battled the index (being about .25 under at the most) since 1997, the 2 tenths they are taking away puts him back on the index, taking away his 2 step will ensure he can't run the index. His combo is a difficult one, but because there is ONE other car that threw a lot of $$$ at it, he can't seem to catch a break. Sad, he's TRULY one of the FINEST most talented racers, and most oft NOT mentioned when talking about some of the "hitters" there is. It will be sad to not have him in Stock anymore.
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Anything that will drive people away from this sport is sad. This two step issue seems to hurt more than it will help. Will people stop racing if they stay? No. Will people stop racing if they take them away. Possibly. So, where is the benefit? We will get to a point that only touring pros can compete. Can afford to and have the skills to compete and win against one another. It will be mini-pro stock. Same folks racing, just a little different outcome every race. Maybe racer A wins this week, racer B next week, but they both always qualify. Racer C, not a chance. Yawn.
Let's agree stock is no longer that and hasn't been for a while. Best thing would be to throw everything out and re-factor every single combination. Yes, those argue "well, you picked your combination, pick a different one." And that's not so easy (or cheap) either. But let's keep the minor advantage I and other's have against the "guys that have always won will always win". Might be the difference even once or twice. I got a taste of winning a few rounds this past weekend and it was kinda fun! |
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I've been watching this thread for a while, and am finally ready to chime in. Let me qualify my comments here by stating that I do not have a horse in this race, so the outcome doesn't affect me directly at all, and that I can feel for you low-budget racers (I'm one myself, just in a different category).
My personal opinion is that this is Stock Eliminator, and that Stock should mean Stock. No buttons, no two-steps, no wheelie bars, etc. What's that? Your stocker is too fast and without wheelie bars you'll scrape the bumper and risk damage and bodily injury? Well, then maybe it's time to slow that bad-boy down. Now, I realize that two-steps and buttons may even the playing field against the top drivers. My response to that is, GO PRACTICE! And yes, I do race in a category where throttle stops and delay boxes are allowed. My wish however would be that NHRA eliminate all of them from the .90 classes. This would make it so that the best DRIVER and/or tuner would generally win more often. I may not be the best, and if I lose because of it, so be it. I need to go make myself a better driver then. In the meantime, I use these devices because they are legal, and I'm certainly not going to show up with a knife at a gunfight. Side Note: Elimination of throttle stops would also have an added affect of reducing the cost to compete because people would no longer have the need to build 1000+ hp motors simply to slow them down to run 9.90 at 170mph. But, this is a topic for another day, in another forum. Also, I think the elimination of classes as a whole will be a good thing from a spectator point of view. Because you're going to have more cars in a class, that's going to mean more heads-up racing, which EVERYONE likes to watch. Yes, the .90 classes are heads-up, but it's not a no breakout, first one to the finish line class, and as such the spectators RUN from the stands when we come up to compete. All one has to do is look at the popularity of ALL the heads-up classes (the NHRA and IHRA Pros, NMRA, NMCA, ADRL, the Nostalgia drag racing craze, and probably the biggest one of all, Pinks) to see that spectators don't want to watch a bracket race (go to your local track on a Saturday night and take a look in the stands to count all 10 people there). So, elimination of classes will not only create more heads-up races in final eliminations, but in class eliminations as well. The less boring singles to watch a guy "win" class, the better IMHO. Anyway, by eliminating classes there will be downsides, especially the fact that I think the cost to compete will go up. On the positive side, it's bound to make the racing more interesting for the spectators, which can have nothing but a positive effect on the class overall (maybe not immediately, but over time I would think more money would filter in through more sponsor interest). All that said, the pessimist in me wonders if NHRA isn't looking at the combination of classes simply to cut down on their expenses. I don't know at how many events Class Eliminations are contested, but less classes means less winners, which means fewer trophies and less payout overall (wouldn't the index adjustment possibly affect this as well, since I'm assuming you'll still have to run at least 5-tenths under to qualify for a class win with a single.) But, maybe that's just me being a glass is half empty type of guy. Let the flaming of the .90 racer begin! |
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I've said for years that the .90 classes could become fun to watch, and a fun class to get in to if they would do one thing....ELIMINATE THROTTLE STOPS. To a lesser extent delay boxes, but the stops is what REALLY aggravates the crap out of people.
I've said the two most aggravating sound in sports is an aluminum bat, and a throttle stop on a racecar. Just think of the tuning and driving you'd have to do without a stop. The fun returns, the fans return, some, and the scary speeds go down. Ok, back to S/SS http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...andtheflag.jpg |
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here is my take, the people who are complaining about the two steps may get his or her wish as to someday no 2 steps, buttons, etc. etc. mark my words, the great racers who are using these "non stock" devices . biondos, fletcher, zane, stillings just to name a few. ( remember these names cause it will be easier to remember in years to come), these guys names will be on top as long as they race! i dont care what you take away,they will adapt. and i wont have to prove you all wrong. ill bet my last broke *** dollar!
anyone want to bet me? place your bets now i could use the easy $$$. also this does not mean im taking anything away from the footbrakers.nothing but respect here. besides i use a two step and if i cant win $ this way, maybe i can make it on my proposal.anyone want in?? peace mike h |
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Hey Mike,
Hope you are doing well.....I think everyone is missing the point on getting rid of Two-steps.. They all think its about the guys winning all the time, their wrong its about electronics/buttons in Stock..I agree the same people will keep winning, they get much more sit time and practice more and are just plain better drivers...It gets real old hearing that there is no-advantage to two-steps, then why do we need them ? Its like the fast car doesn't have an advantage...Yes, its a rare thing when a K on down car wins,but those are choices we all make based on many things..I think NHRA has made a good first step this week, anyway time will tell...You know its interesting that local tracks have gotten rid of two-steps and no-box brackets ? See yah at the races... Dave...1033/stock (350) |
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First off,thanks for the kind words Kandra. Most of what you mentioned regarding the Buick is correct,the stall the car had without the 2 step would go to about 3300 and start rolling. I`ve seen so many people post here saying that this is stock,these cars didn`t come with 2 steps,get rid of `em and make this a foot brake class again. That`s the least of what should be brought up concerning these cars to be called "stock". You show me a late model Firebird that came with a TH200 tranny,so quit saying "this is stock",cause that`s a bull**** reason. What about the $5000 sets of heads that are out there? That sounds awfully high for something that`s "stock". It was mentioned that a lot of racers could run a lower classed car and do well as opposed to buiding a higher classed car,most people like to do the chasing. Don`t forget,Scotty Richardson did extremely well with an O/SA car for a while about 10 years ago. Finally,I don`t know how it`s figured that slow racers are leaving off of the second bulb,or whatever,but I`ve always left on the last amber,with everything from 15 second cars to 21 second cars(deep staging was required for the real slow stuff). I don`t follow the tree down,I stare at the last bulb. NHRA`s decision to do this has come at a perfect time,I need a new motor,so the Skyhawk will get a bracket motor for for now,and maybe in a few years,I`ll come back. They can keep the $250 entry fee a will lose since I had to withdraw from the Mile Highs,maybe go to Starbucks and buy the Saftey Safari a round of coffee. I`m done. It`s been real. "The Hawk"
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I don't have enough valuable data yet on my car to determine how clutch setup has affected my lights. But I'm willing to bet there's enough evidence from others to suggest that an adjustable clutch (i.e. Advanced or Soft Loc 11 inch with counter weights) can make subtle changes that can speed up or slow his/her reaction much the same as with electronic or electro-mechanical delay. Call me stupid but I always thought a soft or hard "hit" can effect engagement timing and possibly roll-out. I hope there are other stick racers (especially long time veterans) who might support my theory.
Also I keep saying if NHRA would implement an approved launch control modules list, approved switching device lists and enforce an approved wiring procedure, there would be no "gray area" between what looks "normal" and "suspicious". If device wiring is traced to any location other than what's stated in the guidelines, especially to a "hidden" area, or suspicious device tampering, you're automatically on vacation! That's why I can't see doing away with a hand activated button much less removing any lauch control device. It seems devices like 2 and 3 steps have done nothing more than even both auto and stick racers in terms of launch consistency. |
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Another perspective on the 2-step:
One of my life long dreams was to race in NHRA Stock class. When I started in 2002, I was already in my early 60's. I tried footbrake racing for about a year and soon discovered that my reflexes were slow and I was inconsistent. I was an easy target, 1 or 2 rounds and out. My son suggested I try a 2-step button on the shifter. This changed my racing career. I could be competetive, give you a good race, have fun and go 3 or 4 rounds. This helped me level the playing field. Most of you are younger (50's or less) and had previous experience footbraking. I experienced, and maybe some of you will find later in life your physical and mental skills will slow down. As one racer put it, "the only electronics affecting the launch of the car is the wiring to your brain". My wiring seems OK but the transmission of the signal and the response (releasing the footbrake) has slowed. In my case, eliminating the 2-step probably would make me an easy target, take the fun out of racing for me and definitely not level the playing field. |
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I believe some racers are missing the point. The problem is not an RPM limiting aid know as the Two Step. The real problem is that that nearly every, if not all, cheating devices, currently available, are accurately activated by a hand released button. These delay boxes, event timers, etc. are cleverly hidden, with the same color wires and disguised as Two Step Modules, Retards, etc. It is impossible for NHRA, IHRA, or anybody to police this stuff. Therefore, you eliminate the the cause, you eliminate the effect.
Let's all say a quick prayer for John Force,his teams, and his family, they've been though just about enough this season. |
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Jim: Agreed, prayers needed for Force. I can totally see that the 2 steps have been abused, like most other items, however, I do NOT see the need for NHRA to pass along their inability to enforce rules by hurting true and honest racers that depend on the technology. Honestly, except for the mention of Muncy, which I believe occurred about 4+ years ago, I haven't seen them post any information about anyone else, so how am i supposed to believe that there is THAT much blatant cheating that they MUST do away with the technology????? I haven't seen anything. I haven't raced until recently after settling into motherhood, but I've been to races and kept up on current events. Where is the list of all the CAUGHT cheaters? Not the I "think" cheaters???
No offense to your post, and yes, I agree with WHY NHRA is doing it, but they are trying to treat it like using a nuclear bomb to kill one or two little rats. Kandra Villani 5329 STK/SS |
Re: Cheating [2-step And Buttons]
Jim and Ed,
I agree with you guys totally on this one, you know that. I had to take a lot of abuse at Milan this past weekend over this subject. Some was good natured and some was not at all. People need to realize that we are allowed to have different opinions. I mean relax people! But, I can tell you this, they already have thought up of ways to get around it if they take away the hand button. Tech just needs to let it all stay, or let nothing-be footbrake only. Taking away hand buttons only will not solve this problem. Guys are just too creative, plain and simple. I can also tell you this, it is a very heated debate at the races. It all comes down to one thing, whatever the rule is for next year, if people want to keep racing stock, then they are going to have to deal with it. Two steps and buttons ARE a driver's aid, not to mention that they are a great place to start cheating, and that is not even the subject here-I am not going there. That is a fact, anyone who disagree's with that is well-you know-never mind. I am going to also have to agree with Bernie Cunningham about what he said about them being allowed and to go use them. I am really considering it for next year, if they stay. It won't be my choice or preference, more so just to prove a point and to be more competitive. So, if they say we have to keep the drivers aids, so be it. If they say footbrake only, we'll have to deal with it. I couldn't believe how upset some people are over this in person. I think that everyone who has driven a car with a button knows that it helps their reaction time(once you get on to it), and they don't want to give that up. I can see why, I really do. They just need to admit that it is an advantage, and it is that way because of the ease adjustability, that IS an advantage when we only get two hits on an unfamiliar track. Traveling and time off work is too costly to make this fair. Hasn't the majority of stock racers come from footbrake roots anyway? It is like riding a bike, once you learn you never forget, right? So, if it comes back to that, get you feet ready and come show the world how good you really are. Who knows, they might be very surprised at the results. Jeff Day |
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