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After the run at vegas this weekend the 580hp supercharged 350 in the COPO's has been increased from 580hp to 617hp, so the 580 hp is actually now rated higher than the 590hp variant. The 590hp engine is currently rated at 616hp.

http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...276&zoneid=132

http://nhraracer.com/content/general...700&zoneid=132

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If I'm not mistaken the FS/AA cars are actually able to run at a lighter weight than the FS/XX cars. So it was probably a matter of time before any of the competitive FS/XX cars ran at any event and went that fast. They could probably all run 7.9's at sea level in FS/AA weight, right? Certainly stinks when someone hits your combo, but there are so many fast new cars now days that I'm sure this won't be the last time they are hit.

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Now the FS/AA weight is more than FS/XX after the hit, with the 580hp it'll have to run at 3565, and the 590hp at 3558, where the showdown cars were lowered from 3550 to 3525. I just find it amusing the 580 engine is now higher than the 590, also if they get hit again I dont think they can add much more horsepower, otherwise it'll go over 3,600lbs which is the limit for the cages, they'd almost have to just lower the index for the class. The horsepower can't be rated over 623hp without putting the cars over 3,600lbs, (624hp*5.5+170=3,602Lbs)
It doesn't hurt me much as I had my car setup at the showdown weight so I'm already pretty much there. Just curious to see what another hit will cause

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Was this the motor built by Eric Jones in CA?

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It was the Mountain View sponsored COPO, they are claiming it is a 100% original motor that came in the car from chevy and they ran at 3415lbs on a run of 8.19 in Vegas. They are saying it was only a tune that got them there and they will be building a blueprinted motor for FS/XX next year. I only know this from facebook so I am by no means an expert on what they've done with the car or who is involved.

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Led astray by Facebook? Inconceivable!

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Hey Jeff. They call him THE CALIFORNIA MISSILE MAN. And there's plenty more power from where that came from.

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No, The engine is straight from GM "Duncan Michael" who ever that is should be proud if it... he built a good engine. The car is as it was delivered to the team with some additional Racepak stuff. Bob Wareham is crew chief and in charge of getting it down the track, I am tuning it and Dustin Lee will be handling the engine side once we start on that. All that was done was a proper tune up and some suspension work, the first time the valve covers came off was in tear down.

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Duncan works in the GM Performance Center where they build all the COPO engines .

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Well, Give him a High 5 for us. I think its actually cool that you can buy a 28K engine that will go 8 flat without doing anything to it. That is the true meaning of factory stock.

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Is this the COPO that is owned by Nick Mitsos who owns Mountain View Tire?

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Yes

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After reading all this about how the car came from chevy (stock) this way and just a tune it’s all bs. Duncan Michael built my motor to in my car great job he did it is awesome. Here’s the problem 1. Car does not come in that color ya u can wrap it or paint it I know that. 2. Car does not come from factory with 7.50 cert cage it comes with 8.50 cert cage for stock fs/aa. 3. Lamb brakes shocks and struts is not factory Copo stuff strange is. 4. Mark Williams axles is not factory Copo stuff strange is. 5. Switching blower pulleys in Vegas 3 times during an event tells me u were testing your shootout motor by running faster then the rest of the supercharged fs/aa stock copos with tunes by .5 second in 2200+ feet of air little obvious your numbers are factory showdown shootout numbers. 6. Takes 4 guys to maintain a factory (stock) supercharged Copo motor that evidently valve covers never been off till that event? Probly because they were off on the motor on the dyno after 20-30 pulls multiple times. Not believing it.7. 3 inch and 3 1/8 blower pulleys are illegal in stock 3.25 - 3.50 are legal. 8. Shaft rockers are illegal in stock fs/aa 9. What stage of whipple blower is on that motor stage 1 stage 2 stage 3 stage 4 ?. Would like to see the boost psi numbers from the run with your stock motor and rpm. I’m sure factory blower was brought with in the trailor just Incase of a heads up teardown that came the next day after the run giving you time to come up with a plan to make it pass. Kinda funny how the blower was takin off the motor before teardown or Nhra officials were there and brought right into the trailor while leaving the other parts out? Kinda seems little weird. If there was supposedly more power where that came from why so slow your still getting out ran with your shootout motor you can brag when your in the 7.90s and the fastest one out there with your (stock) Copo motor. Sorry but every supercharged stock fs/aa driver that has one knows that this is bs.kinda funny took you all year to get the car out with your stock supercharged Copo motor with just a tune in it right from chevy. seems like everybody that runs in the shootout with their Copo should not have built a motor to run 8.0-8.20 they should’ve just put a (tune) in it. The way the car is now is exactly what everybody does to it when they get it from chevy to build it to run the factory showdown. Pull the motor and tranny put another one in that’s been modified then switch all the suspension and brake components and and the axles and the gears and the shifter and update the cage because you are building a motor with way more power to run faster while you get all the tunes figured out while the motor is on the dyno. If it was mine and I bragged about more to come I would have set the record at 7.90 in fs/xx instead of using my shootout motor in fs/aa to ruin a index and add weight to to everybody’s car that didn’t need it. When you calculate out the numbers of what the (stock) horsepower and torque from the factory motor and setup from a chassis dyno and the weight of the car and the air that day at the track and the speed it doesn’t make any sense it’s so far off.Good job gotta give you credit to get one passed all the Nhra officials that didn’t even look at anything hardly at all and couldn’t figure it out doesn’t mean that the rest of us that own one can’t figure it out. Just like the challenger that ran 7.90s (stock) didn’t even get tore down. I’m sure all the copo guys are very happy with you. Kinda seems funny like a pro stock thing if you know what I’m saying lots of R&D in the shop and money thrown at it then test the new combination oh wait it’s all (stock from chevy) it just turns out you got a motor that makes 200 more horsepower then everybody else’s from the factory (stock) I don’t think so. So far it looks like more power to come isn’t working with the numbers in Pomona I guess after your test session in Vegas you should be faster not slower with your (factory stock motor from chevy just the way it came) haha give me a break . If this motor is so stock maybe you should post pictures of everything in it because stock stuff is not a secret you can break down the parts from chevy and you already have the list of parts from the whole motor when you get the car from chevy. Without pictures not believing any of it. Maybe Nhra will have to make a decision on what cars they consider fs/aa factory 8.50 cert. they should have their own record and weight and not allow fs/xx cars to come in to the class of fs/aa and ruin the index and weight breaks and try to set the record because (factory stock) fs/aa cars were built to run 8.50 and slower for stock eliminator from chevy. they didn’t come modified to run factory showdown with 7.50 cert cages so there needs to be a fine line of what class that car is meant to run and only should affect that class they run in. I’m sure everybody agrees with me on this. Nhra will be getting plenty of emails and heat about this I’m sure so they will have to make a decision on the cars that show up at the events and determine what class they are in even if it means they get looked at at the national events for class racing. I’m sure there will be changes to come.

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In the words of Conner McGregor
WHO DA FOOK IS THAT GUY,^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Copo Kid,

Please post your name as well as the name of your English teacher that taught you how to form a paragraph. You owe me $2.97 for the Advil from trying to make sense of your post.

I just spoke with Erik and he said if you're a good boy and eat all your carrots at dinner, you can have the motor out of the frame rails of that car for 70k. However, like sooooo many things in life, you're going to be disappointed because that is exactly how it came from Chevy.

The rest of your post filled with a lot of jealousy and speculation.


Of course all of this is my opinion, and I could be wrong......


Pirate

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It was the longest paragraph I have ever seen. :-)
Sounded like a good bit of jealousy to me.

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Well 1st of all Gary I’m not jealous at all and also you owe me 3.00 for teaching you how to pay attention to what you are reading and please tell your mom she did a bad job teaching my English class. ( I know this is a run on sentence).2nd of all why would I want a clapped out piece of junk 70,000.00 illegal shootout motor when I have a legal supercharged motor built by the same Duncan Michael that has never had the valve covers off that only costs 35,000.00 from chevy. Your right though shootout motors do cost 70,000.00 3rd I’m glad you payed attention to what you read I wrote that the whole deal on purpose that way to see who pays attention. Obviously you don’t pay attention to the important stuff. 4th my name don’t matter to anybody if you knew how to read it says it on the left side of the page I believe it says Copo kid. If your (stock) tuned motor has so much more in why did you stop there I want you to keep hitting the index over and over and over again please. I know why you probably can’t because shootout motors are only good for 15-25 passes then they have to be freshened again. You can keep your carrots for the rabbits also I don’t care for them. I will be watching the factory showdown and see where your stock tuned motor ends up because if your motor is .5 second faster then every other legal Copo then the one that’s being built should be running 7.70 with it tuned so you should have the record in fs/xx. I’m not mad and I’m not jealous at all I don’t get that way it’s a waist of time. But when you tell somebody there’s more where that came from you probly should prove it instead of trying to fill everybody full of bs. I know Gary you don’t own a Copo so you don’t understand but it’s ok we will let it slide this time and let us big boys worry about driving the fast cars.

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Geez, his grammar and spelling make James Perrone appear to be a Rhodes scholar....

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😂🤔😂😂😂

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I know “copo kid” from the track and he is a good racer and good guy. His post is fired up and filled with emotion. Should he have took a bit more time and punctuated? Yes...


As for how he is fired up I totally understand! I had the same thing happen to me by an engine builder that “had lots left in it!” But couldn’t qualify at Indy a bit later in the year!:p

It’s all hearsay on the engine, but the car in question has gone faster then any factory (factory assembled engine) supercharged COPO car in the history of them being built.

With all the mods done to that car and then what other racers/onlookers saw at the track makes it’s pretty hard to believe.

In my opinion ANY CAR THAT GOES 1.20 UNDER SHOULD BE TORN DOWN RIGHT AWAY!!! They had no problem doing that to Mr. Poole when he did!!!

It is Ryan’s car (not sure if he is a paid driver or it’s his car) and you can smash your combo all you want as it’s your money but I don’t understand.

It’s just too bad NHRA doesn’t police combos more.

IMO they are killing our class that is so heavily in forced by rules but rairly checked by them.

It is what it is! You don’t like it don’t race. If they just checked more cars and they pass tear down before a HP hit, then no one could make a peep!

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Copo.. Are these facts or is this speculation? Are you saying NHRA is not capable of looking at yours or their car? Nick buys a car, team does their homework, hires great people, produces ET and speed and gets slammed for it. Nice... I don’t run FS but my suggestion is ; buckle up. Nick and the MVT Team are just getting started. I’m impressed. I was there for part of the tear down. There was nothing hidden that I saw. Head, rockers, blower etc.. I am not a LS expert but I am very impressed.

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Hey Ross Gregory since I’m the guy you wanna mouth off about on the internet why don’t you at least know what you’re talking about. Or better yet let’s meet up in person one day with both our cars and run them heads up. Let’s say best 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 5? Since I had bad luck at Indy and broke everything but the engine it looked bad on paper but I’ve got $5,000 I’ll put up against your $5,000 and we can run heads up whenever you’re ready. I’ll even pay a tech guy to tear them both down after to make sure they’re both legal. Just let me know when...

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COPO..... End of the season so get ready for 2019 and when it's time..... THE CALIFORNIA MISSILE MAN will SHOW YOU THAT THERE IS PLENTY MORE POWER LEFT. HES JUST GETTING STARTED. All I can say is do your homework over the winter.

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You two should agree to run the same class someplace next year. I would love to watch!

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DPA you know I’m down for it! LOL i’ve had quite a few months to fix all my Indy carnage so I’m in! I was planning a semi retirement from NHRA raging as my new X275 car is starting to get close to finished but hey I’m alwaya up for some good ole grudge racing

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Hahahaha..... This is epic. I think this goes to number 1 on the Class Racer posts...

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Is Ross Gregory the "Copo Kid"?
This thread has it all!!
Mike

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Maybe NHRA should help promote more shootouts. Maybe at National opens or points meets . These type of rivalries could be fun!
I do have to wonder how some people think. Many of the “so called” new cars that came on the scene were super soft from the start. There was a lot of discussion about them. Many of the new car owners were quite smug about how old car racers could work on their stuff or buy a new car. Some of the racers or New to racing racers thought if they bought these factory type cars that they were done spending money and would just be fast without the need to test, modify and spend money. Then “IT” happened. Racers will be racers. It was just a matter of time before the hard chargers with money, time and experience got in on these cars. This cycle will never end. Anyone that has one of these cars and is surprised isn’t familiar with hard core heads up racing. I agree, it sucks if you own one, but if you can’t play with the big dogs, don’t hang out with the class where the big dogs live. If you think there is some trickery going on, show up and race. Protest if you must.I think the idea of a good old fashioned dual at the track like J AS proposed could be a great deal that would be exciting for the class and the people racing. Owning a car and complaining on the internet doesn’t make you fast.

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I still remember the "good-old-days" back at my old "Alma Mater" (Island Dragway) when they would stage best 3 out of 5 match races between like-classed cars. Mostly Stockers or SSers.
There were lots of big-time rivalries and big-time talent around Div.1 back then.

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No dog in this fight, but somebody missed the boat on this one they should have started a show like street outlaws then instead of have to read all this stuff we could have watched it on TV. Tom

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Mouth off?

You are the one that said what I quoted!

Maybe I missed a race on drag central that you ran more then .600+ under??

I’m not running you for $5000! :rolleyes:


If you want to come run heads up, feel free to come up to Denver and race Mile High Nationals. We can run class in Stock or Super Stock.

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No I’m not!

I run a NA combo and a 5th gen car!

Copo kid has a blower combo 6th gen. The whole thread is about the 580hp 6th Gen combo.

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Just gonna say Ross Gregory is not the Copo Kid. Only a few people know who the Copo kid is. It doesn’t really matter who is who on here the only thing that matters is what’s posted. By the way the Nhra (professor) said my homework is done so no need to do anymore because if you have a (stock from chevy Copo the way it came with just a tune) you dont need a whole team to run it or maintain it you should be able to do it all yourself. I will be paying a lot of attention again to the fs/xx cars and see where everybody is at so we will see who the big dogs are. I’m not bashing anybody for what they did or have done and what they have but when you make a stupid choice like what happened that affects everybody in a class your gonna hear it.

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I bet the dudes that smashed the HP are in the garage instead of reading this. Just sayin...

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So..........welcome to Stock Eliminator????!!!!!?????

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LMAO, you must not read drag race central very much...I mean your response shows your ignorance, how can I be the guy that hit your combo with hp by going 1.22 under but then you say you’ve never seen me go more than .60 under? You’re special! I mean since I’m so slow why won’t you run me for $5000? Should be an easy payday for you if I’m so slow...lol

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Your right James I hope they are because sounds like they are pretty confident they are gonna make everybody look like fools when they get their shootout motor done since their stock from the factory motor with a tune can qualify for all the shootouts. Why spend time building a shootout motor or in the shop working on it when you can just tune your (stock) motor from chevy to run in the pack with all the fs/xx guys. We will see where they end up I will be paying attention and hope to see them at #1 and winning them all and I will definitely say congrats great job. As you can tell by how many times I’ve posted you know where I spend my time and it’s not on here it’s in the shop because you see I’m a one man team. Plus I only pay attention and respond to stuff that affects the class I race. I don’t respond to anything in anybody else’s class that gets Hit because it’s none of my business and I’m sure the races affected will step up and say something. You can baffle people with a lot of bs but some you can’t and I see the responses you get when you call out bs on something.

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See the guy at the top of the sheet? Yea that’s me...lol...juuuuuuust a bit more than .60 under

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:-)

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Thanks Ross