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Just How Far Do You Go To Protect An Index Or Win One More Round..?......is It Worth That Much..?

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Just as a note, if my calculations are correct (and they usually are), scrubbing a tenth would require scrubbing more than 20 mph over a distance of about 130 ft., which is twice the distance from the MPH cone to the finish line. I'm not going to say that I'll never have somebody dump that hard against me, but so far I never have.

In most cases people have usually waited until the MPH stripe to dump, which would mean to scrub a tenth, they'd have to lose approximately 40 mph over that distance, which I don't think is possible.

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I see "excessive braking" as only when there are tire(s) locked up, or vehicle control is compromised.

I run the "low smoke" Moroso fronts myself......;)

Jason is about dead on with his calculations.
If you want to scrub a tenth, you better have it mostly done before you get to the 1000' mark, and a tight rear brake setup really helps.

I've never had to "hold" more than .08, in that case, I scrubbed the brakes upon the shift to 2nd gear, just enough to hold the tach for a one count, that took .05-.06 off, dumped the rest down at the end between the stripes.
1/8th mile racing, had winning MPH from 84 to 102 that day.:cool:

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I Think Anyone Who Is Found Guilty Of Excessive Braking Should Loose Their Licence For A Year. I Saw The Ceash At Atco In Comp. Not Pretty. Sooner Or Later Someone Is Going To Get Killed. Winning Should Not Be That Important!!!!!!

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THANK YOU ERNIE..................!!!!!!!

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I will take the loss instead of braking hard. Winning like Ernie said isn't that important. I couldn't afford to wreck my car. We would never get back out there.

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I agree with Ernie also, It's just not worth it.

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That is why it's better to just drag the brakes without lifting on the throttle, better control of both the vehicle and how much you are backing into someone, or putting the fender on 'em.

A car under power will still drive straight, even with some front lock-up.....;)

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I agree with what everyone is saying. It?s not worth it. Someone?s going to get killed; I could never get back into it if I crashed. It?s all-true. But, in that short time, sometime less than 1 sec a lot of bad decisions are made.

Three years ago I went out in the first round against Alan billings at the atco race in September. It was the last division one race of the year. The weekend was a nightmare to tune to. Rain on and off, lots of moisture in the air. I woke up that mooring excited because the weather station said that the air was the same as the last time shot I took which landed me a 10.904. So I didn?t change a thing. I was in the right lane and I shot out of there with a .013 light (found that out later). Everything was going fine. Unfortunally, being the slower car I got to the 990 cone first (atco does do 1000 ft) I looked for Alan but he was way back there. So I started to drag the brakes. If you could of put a microphone in the car with me, you would have heard me saying over and over. ?Come on, come on? but Alan was just so far back.

Then the brain started playing games. Hey, he?s not that much quicker than me (130 mph to my 127) he should be gaining on me. But, he never was. So since I was the fearless hard braker after all I have won rounds at only 92-mph. This was no different. Hard on the brakes I went followed by a blown front tire, which was followed by the second front going out. Its something that will turn you white knuckled on the wheel. There was nothing I could do. Other than just hang on. Luckily both tires went, if not maybe I?m not here to type this, since she just laid down flat while I held on. She didn?t stop until the first turn off at atco. Lucky for those who came after me it didn?t take long to get my car off the track? I lost anyway with an e.t. of 10.895, and I got called to the tower for an *** chewing.

Yea, I agree braking is dangerous. But, if I had to do it again I think I would. I wish what I said was a lie, and I haven?t put myself in that position again. In fact I haven?t been back to a division race since. Only as a fan. I?m putting my car back together and I hope to return next year. I blamed myself due to not being experienced enough to know better. Which now I guess I am, but what scares me is that I will do it again. God I hope I don?t next time maybe it will just take my life.

Carlos Mendes
S/st

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With a 1900lb dragster, I have seen data (forget the drivers name) that shows when you dump 26 mph in the right lane of the Super Comp finals at the 2007 Belle Rose Sportsnationals, it's about 9 hundredths.

That's strictly on the top end ... no screwing around before 1100'.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2007#indextop

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Jason, Wondering why you guys never run any big dollar bracket races around here ? (the $10000 races @ Sanair or Luskville ?)

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Hey Tim. After running at some of the tracks down in the States, it's hard to race up here. Grand Bend is nice, our schedule just never worked this year. We have a lot of fun with the NHRA throttle stop stuff, and try to hit bracket races in Florida or at Atco whenever possible.

Sanair ... my knees go through the dashboard at the finish line, and that was with a 4-link dragster. So when I try to kill 20 mph by stabbing the brakes as hard as possible, it gets dangerous when wheels are off the ground. Plus, the only french I can remember is "J'aime le pizza."

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I dont want to sound like an azz but its really about the driver and the car set-up. Way to many cars are maintained and driven by incompetent people. Brakes are very important items and I think more attention should be paid to them than that last .010 in ET. I can easily go 130+ in my bracket car and SAFELY scrub 10+mph and .035 with no safety concerns what so ever. If you need more than that you need to rethink your plan of attack............



JMO of course....




bob

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That sounds about right. My calculations were that you had to scrub 20 mph over the last 130 ft. to scrub a tenth. So, if you can scrub 26 mph over a slightly shorter distance, say about 90 ft., you would scrub about a tenth.

All that said, I think doing so you're starting to approach the danger area.

Bob, I don't think anyone on here would have an issue with somebody scrubbing 10 mph and a few hundredths. It's the examples like above that I generally don't care for. But, even then, I can't put a specific number on it. If somebody timed the parachute right and hit the brakes simultaneously 120 ft. before the finish line, I'm guessing they could scrub a good amount of speed, and, more importantly, do it safely.

All I know is that you'll never catch me pounding the brakes at the finish line. Hitting them, sure. But pounding them? Nope...it's just not worth it to me.

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Only in my opinion, If there is smoke or the car goes sideways it is excessive. I am not innocent of this and was expecting an excessive braking warning many times. After it scares you then you will figure out another game plan. I found that easing into the brake instead of mashing the brakes actually kills more speed and ET. With dual rear calipers I can kill just as much with my foot in the throttle as I can lifting and mashing.

EXCESSIVE BRAKING.......we are all guilty at least once!

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Jason,

It was more than 120 feet from the finish line. He just dumped way too early. I don't think Dad or I could kill 26 mph in 120 feet. Maybe I am completely wrong, but I will probably never find out ..... unless I am running Ernie.

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I hardly got into the brakes against Chris on Sunday.......(sorry about that).....

The ultimate combination would be Ernies car and Jason (or Al) driving....unstoppable....


I couldn't shut up any longer...sorry


CBS

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I don't even have any brakes and I am ready to jump through the computer screen. We have Jason K. who races 40 times a year and Jason O. who sits home with a calculator giving us info. Guess who I'm going with?

Asta

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LMAO, Your a bad man. I know that you could'nt hold back anymore.

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Of course, this is coming from the guy that wasn't quite smart enough to check his brake system after he was fined for depositing brake fluid on the track.

Oh to be rich and ignorant...

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And too think I was getting bored today, this should get interesting.


Gary Federico

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Me too, Gary, pass the popcorn!

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I love it when it gets like this....

He does have a point John.....Although his car probably isn't fast enough to make it to the sand trap if he brakes before the finish line.....

Sorry Jason....I couldn't help it.......

Just stirring the pot....the season is over for me(I think) and I'm already bored....

CBS

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I don't know that my car is fast enough to make it to the sand trap if I don't brake, PERIOD!

And I'm not going to get into a war of words with John. It just wouldn't be fair to John since it would be like him bringing a knife to a gun fight.

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Here I am , at work, sitting back, watching the show, taking a brake

:eek:Whoops:eek:

Am I allowed to say the word brake?????;)Sorry Asta....Slipped out:)

What's up CBS????

Derek

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Rock, I need a blocker at Nobile

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I'd love to go....we could follow people up...

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People never follow me up............ to the buffet!!!!! ahahahha
Get in front of the fat guy... hurry !!!!

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Rock,

What did you think of the For Real t-shirt?

Asta

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incredible...I'd say everyone will know who's they are....

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LOVED the T-shirt John!!!
And yes - I'll wear it at the track, just not on race day if you don't mind?!?

We have to keep going like this so the off season won't s#%k!
Lee - don't talk that way. I'll follow you up (to the buffet that is!)

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Thanks Lynn..... I would let you go first, i would not want you going hungry and you will be if you follow me.. hahahah

Lee