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Ok i have a lot of friends or had, with Hemi's, sorry but i worked on my combo to get HP off and THEY said no runs over 55 under, WELL i'am home and looking at my Nitro Stat's
book there were 22 cars quicker then 55 under, 14 of them were 65 under, and 6 of them were 85 under, ssssssoooooooo how in the hell does this work. can some one explain this to me.

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Remember that they gave them back some on their index because they couldn’t even qualify at Indy. And yes, they can sometimes put together some good runs but putting a string of them together is another story

Editing my earlier post, the old 9.30 index was raised in two .15 increments with the latest .15 based on competitors request during the last review cycle.

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I wish they would give me .3 back so I could qualify at Indy. LOL.


Actually most of the original super stock classes need some help on the indexes or HP ratings to make them more competitive

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No ya,s are not understanding the RULES, they cannot give S@*^ back, you have to follow the rules and apply for the ruling, I HAD a SS/JA car could not even come close to that alum. head thing, so i changed combo that i have have a chance at winning with. BRACKET RACING it now.

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I was one of the people asking for index back on hemi cars. not that it means squat to me. But I think that the fastest hemi car at indy was 97 I believe. when index s were hit with 3 tenths, the index was hit 15 the week before at mission in mineshaft then we got the 3 tenths added. so we actually got hit 45. I asked for 15 and nhra gave us 30 because they are clueless and had our index listed at 9.45 to 9.60, when everyone but nhra knows it is 9:30. I hope this helps Brian. I went through nhra hoops for this.

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Isn’t it great Mike......

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Don’t worry Brian. Buy the time Indy arrives I would bet the index will get adjusted
Wolkwitz. Went 118. At Baby Gators 🐊
Sorry Bucky but it will happen
So stop hating Brian maybe it’s Trump He put a tariff on Canadian products
Just because you live in NC. You are still a border jumping sob.

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all for sure on index , all I ask for was .15 nhra didn't even know our index, But if any class at indy has 30 cars and the top one is not close to the middle of the field, Come on

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do you look at yourself in the mirror and feel good about yourself? can't believe you admitted that. :eek:

the problem with stock and SS racing for $1000 Alex LMAO

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Mike I usually let things slide but I have to respond to this one.

Yes my combo looks pretty good until you take it to Indy or look at Nitro Joes stats for ss/ja.
Maybe you should aim your complaints at the top car's in the class.

In addition you shared with me how much $ you have in your engine. I have more than that in the valve train of mine. I have spent 12 years testing, waisting money and time perfecting this combo.

For you to imply the reason your car can't run with mine is because I'm underfactored is not only insulting it's just dead wrong.

Mike

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Trigger all classes at the 1/8th or 330' and get all these cars in line where they should be !

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It seems like a bunch of bottom feeders are crying about Fast people
It’s easy to throw stones How about working on your car
Oh you do but stock and ss are not DYI engines
You same people cry all the time when you get spanked with a motor you built on a budget and your ideas. Go to a professional builder.thats why you are slow
Next time you get beat look at the slip and pick the right class next time. Same people all the time commenting and still slow

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO that's gonna leave a mark!

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Mr Perrone, that's some good stuff.....you been talking to uncle Jim?......hahahaha............Congrats on class.......Howie

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Anyone can stroke a check for a motor and be number one next weekend ,or go buy a number one car for that matter . What fun is that ? For the comment I always here on here go work on your car if you want to be fast lol , they always leave out and stroke a check along with it lol . Or run your car at half throttle all year and get some hp off , i guess that's work lol ??? I for one commend the guys that do there own work .I like to learn and see what makes one work and try different things along the way and see what one likes . I learn everyday of my life . That's a lot more fun and respectable to me anyway . Take indy last year you had some of the baddest 396 427 67-69 camaro combos on the planet and they don't make the show , what ? That's what I meant by get ALL these cars in line if everyone was rated what they should be it would be more fair for everyone . There is no reason a 67-69 camaro that runs 10.0s in indy air can not make indy show , or a 200k HEMI challenge car for that matter lol something is way out of whack !!! And this is just a couple examples there are 50 more I'm sure .
There really needs to be fix for the AHFS .

I'll be at Indy this year to run the A/S shootout with a non qualifier for fun and can't wait !

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Hey Mike. Sorry if I offended you. I probably should not have put your name in that post. I think it’s great that you have a car that runs as well as yours does and I have no issue with the rating on your engine combo. I guess I didn’t make my self clear that I thought my combo was over factored. I am a bottom of the sheet guy and am used to racing from that position. I did enjoy meeting you and your wife. Hope you have a good race this weekend. Please accept my appolgy.

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It’s easy to stroke a check for HP?
Stop stroking yourself on this site.
You build a nice car .. but it don’t build anything that is a player.
So continue to not qualify at Indy and cry
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing that don’t work
Your good at it

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Hey Brian, Like most documents, read from the bottom up.

AHFS, last sentence, in BOLD reads "The decision to adjust horsepower or to increase the index will be at the discretion of the AHFS Committee."

That's how it works, and everything above it is BS, because it is at their discretion to make any adjustment, whether a result of the system or not. They decide and then the system self justifies any decision they want to make.

Now, can we talk about how poorly the AH/SM COMP index was determined, lol.

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James,
Go easy, you win class in Gainesville and very well deserved, but all of a sudden you're Grumpy Jenkins or Ed Bigley?

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Hahahahahhaha That was Awesome James!
I ran a 383 also for a while. Take a look at the rest of the class! Specifically the injection cars. It is self explanatory, ask guys like Gary Ewing why you are rated at 295. He worked on his and it was fast. I think he got that combo hit before once upon a time. James go work on your Chevy super stocker! I don't want to hear you start crying when I pass you in the air again! 🤣 Nice job with the stocker too!

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Yes hp is just a phone call away !
Ive stroked a check before for a motor , nothing wrong with that , but not as much fun as building cars with family !

Lol I have qualified at indy lol

But it don't build anything that is a player ? Lol

I'm not an it my name is Tim lol

I guess you don't understand what I'm trying to say and thats fine , what you write is hard for me to understand too! My 8 year old has better grammar !

All I am trying to say is the 1000 ft racing is a joke! And some of the hp factors as well , and really every race except indy is a joke as far as heads up . If the AHFS was better it would be for better racing and not so much lifting , yeh people are still gonna cry and try and beat the system . I don't know the answer , but something needs to be fixed that's all. In the meantime I'll have fun racing my slow junk !

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[QUOTE=TOSTO RACING;584583]Yes hp is just a phone call away !
Ive stroked a check before for a motor , nothing wrong with that , but not as much fun as building cars with family !

Lol I have qualified at indy lol

But it don't build anything that is a player ? Lol

I'm not an it my name is Tim lol

I guess you don't understand what I'm trying to say and thats fine , what you write is hard for me to understand too! My 8 year old has better grammar !

All I am trying to say is the 1000 ft racing is a joke! And some of the hp factors as well , and really every race , but indy is a joke as far as heads up . If the AHFS was better it would be for better racing and not so much lifting , yeh people are still gonna cry and try and beat the system . I don't know the answer , but something needs to be fixed that's all. In the meantime I'll have fun racing



I’m pretty new to the stock game...with that said Im not too into the game.but from what I’ve seen you almost have to play it in stock..I agree tho I think if they put the Ahfs back on at Indy for a while it would fix a few combos..if you want the trophy then take your licks(hp) and don’t lift..there’s a few combos that come to Indy and kill cause they will never get hit ever as long as the Ahfs is not in place there

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Lift in AH? you must be kidding............... Who cares about an index? Those were white card files in high school in 1968..........
Big Joe told me " Two types: Those who have Hemi's and those that want them". I personally hate mine. Phish

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Stick with PINKS.
It’s a lot easier
Keep stroking that keyboard
It’s easier. Player

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PINKS was one of the best experiences of my life ! Wouldn't change anything about it !

No keyboard stroking here, you have more posts on this site than me ?

I also sent you a PM James.

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That's funny there. I've had girlfriends who's nickname should have been "Hemi". I know enough to come to that conclusion and I've never owned one.

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LOL ok i will start here.

1. Matt call your local AHFS member, and ask IF they okayed the .30 off, ya right they all race, so i cannot see them letting that happen, the Hemi's put the index there, live with it, and going into comp.and most of ya's will only run .30 under, my my alot of the comp guy,s been running for years and still only .30 under.

2 Mike C. lol you have more money in your carbs then Mike P. has in his short block, remember Mike ya told me in Rockingham when we had a heads up, ya only had 2500.00 in the old short block,lol

3.James my friend, be careful on the border jumping, remember where ya come from Mexeco,lol and my friend is trying to put a wall up there for ya,s LOL good luck this weekend. be careful that blue bomb is fast.

4. Jeff, i will call ya today.

5. Mr Gator. I tried to get HP of the B motor combo, all diff combo then the C motor and yes i will amit my C motor is fast.

6. Bucky you just asked and they gave it to ya, i would have liked that also, but i tried hard get get HP off my B combo and i was 3 hun. short. and a SS/AA car running the same motor,same car, model and year. did not help it.

Well thats all for the day enough **** stirred up LOL

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Brian, you haven't even started stirring **** yet.
You will need to get a bigger spoon!

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2 Mike C. lol you have more money in your carbs then Mike P. has in his short block, remember Mike ya told me in Rockingham when we had a heads up, ya only had 2500.00 in the old short block,lol

Ya Brian. That was going to be my spare engine to run SSSSA. Cant seem to keep one of my 350 engines to stay together. I did buy that engine for $2500 but have spent a bunch to get it freshened and running. It turned out to be a pretty good piece. No complaints on my end.

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For anyone to imply the reason that Cottens car is fast is because its under factored and he just wrote me a big check is the most ignorant thing i have ever heard. The only one responsible for his car being fast is Mike Cotten..... I could give any one of you guys his engine and you couldn't hit your ***** with both hands let alone it would have the rods laying on the track in 2 passes.
The main thing NHRA needs to do is add SS/KJ "Keyboard Jockey" to the classification guide......


On a side note.... the AH index is lame and needs to be corrected, both in SS and Comp.

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Why does everything turn personal on here? Then you go to the track and you guys are like a church mouse........I know people have talked s..t about me on here before then if we’re at the same race they just walk on by and don’t say anything.......

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a few years ago there were quite a few hemi shootouts. the mentallity for that is peddle to the metal. heck with the index. we also had many builders who are very good at making those things run. i wish farmer dismuke was still here, bet the indexs would be a little closer for all. :rolleyes:

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I’m easy to find. If you race.
If you don’t want to be offended don’t read
Otherwise look me
I’m offended by the stupidity the people post here got it
Back to the Baby Gators 🐊

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Messing with you James! Love you’re stocker. Yes, we race not as much as we like but we race when we can.......look us up we’re the car 4’ in the air on the starting line lol

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James you're crude but you're cool at the same time. Enjoy racing as long as you can and do it your way.

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You know something is wrong with the index when so few Hemi cars are at the Gators. Lots of good running cars at Indy didn't qualify or were way down the list. You shouldn't need to have an oddball combo to make the field.

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i have nothing against the Hemi guys, just saying 3ths off with a stoke of a pen {twice total}, come on, i would have kept my J car,if they would have did that for a poor old steel headed Carb motor. LOL

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Technically the Hemi's are poor old steel headed carb motors too...Ha

I think a better option for the AH stuff would have been to let those cars back into SS/A or SS/AA...and make AH a shootout only deal with a 9.30, maybe 9.40 index.

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[QUOTE=Erik Jones;584632]For anyone to imply the reason that Cottens car is fast is because its under factored and he just wrote me a big check is the most ignorant thing i have ever heard. The only one responsible for his car being fast is Mike Cotten..... I could give any one of you guys his engine and you couldn't hit your ***** with both hands let alone it would have the rods laying on the track in 2 passes.
The main thing NHRA needs to do is add SS/KJ "Keyboard Jockey" to the classification guide......


Erik as an engine builder can you help explain how racers and fans can tell which engines are "soft" in Stock/Super Stock. There are so many combos these days and hard to follow and understand. Do we just look at cubic inches and number of carbs to NHRA horsepower rating? Does a brand make a difference such as Chevy against Mopar against Ford? Some seem easier to understand like when the same size cubic inch engine is NHRA rated 30 horsepower different between combos...Or a larger cubic inch engine is NHRA rated lower than a smaller engine.

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I only asked for .15 I explained why about Mission race prior to ,everyone getting .3. Nhra didn't even know our index was 9:30 They said our old index was 9;45 and gave .15 to a 9:60 .Didn't ask for .3 How can nhra not know our index was 9;30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so Brian you think if there are 30 ah cars at Indy not even one belongs in the top half? No 97 was the fastest!!!!!!!