2019 Challenger 1320 is now legal for Stock and Super Stock
 

You're welcome.

http://media.fcanorthamerica.com/new...d=20748&mid=82

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Very Cool
Video explains trans brake operation... legal for Stock?
MJ

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No, the factory trans brake will not be legal for Stock, the car will have to built as per NHRA rules for the class.

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Launch Assist – uses wheel speed sensors to watch for driveline-damaging wheel hop at launch and, in milliseconds, modifies the engine torque to regain full grip


Would this be legal ?????
Different words but let’s call it what it is, traction control! this opens up a whole new can of worms

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Funny how the press release brags about 485 hp.yet is only rated 390 by NHRA. Same ***** different day. Rick ps I wonder if they would give 20% off my combo? not !!!

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Have to hand it to Mopar. They don't f around. What about it GM ?

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Bfd !

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Agree, just like the ultra bogus 360 HP the 2015 Camaro started with as opposed to its 425 HP factory rating. Happy to see the new cars competing in Stock, but do the guys in legacy cars always have to get it in the A** for a couple of years before the AHFS catchs up with the new combinations? Why not start with the factory HP ratings and then let the AHFS level the playing field?

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"Why not start with the factory HP ratings and then let the AHFS level the playing field?"

Never work .....makes too much sense!

RJ

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The car is already built and has a trans brake and is set to run stock. How is that going to be handled?

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While I like the car, it makes me wonder what I'm doing spending the amount of money I have in building an older car for stock eliminator. The car I'm building will fit right in there with the Dodge in B stock. No amount of money can make my car as fast as this Dodge is going to be. If NHRA factored my hp rating the same my 355 factory hp would be rated at 285. Now that would be competitive!

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Awesome !! Love it.... :)

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I think the transmission is a 9 speed automatic, based on a ZF design . There won't be too many racers that will be running that transmission , most will run a 727 or a 904 . Just like the engine will be running on an aftermarket controller , all these features that the production car have, are integrated into the factory ecm . With all these factory systems removed , it would be so illegal to have a 727 with a brake , or some sort of traction control ,and claim its stock , that if found , would for sure win you some time off . If the car was totally stock , it would be hard for NHRA to make it illegal , kind of like if you used a rental car . Most probably have traction control , but nobody has gotten bounced for it . Using aftermarket or not original parts , you would have a problem , saying its just stock . A little rambling , but you get the point . If the car has a feature that is stock , how would you prove it is disabled , best to have it totally removed .

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It's an 8 speed ZF8HP70. The Hellcats and Demons get the ZF8HP90. I believe the 9 speed is for FWD cars.

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If they are claiming this as another underrated combination that they are shoving into regular Stock and Super Stock classes again, then something is really foul in Glendora. I guess this combination lost 100 HP and 600 lbs during the approval process just like the Camaros and Fords before it. So who is getting over in this deal? The OEM's or nhra? I would argue that it is nhra because it is nhra's intent to keep punching the Stock racers in the gut until they can no longer take it and walk away. nhra has reduced car counts, abandoned their oversight responsibilities and it continues to unleash these cheater cars on the rest of us. One of these is probably already testing in Louisiana as we discuss this latest transgression. All of us know what is going on and the OEM's could care less. I hope they have the camera crews set up again, at the scales at Indy. We just love watching guys celebrating with their cheater cars in the background.

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Wrong side of the country.

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I think that Mopar is just as guilty here. I was told by a former Mopar employee that if I wasn't building an AH car, or a Drag Pak...that I was wasting my time.

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http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...er+1320&page=3


Reply #24 LMAO !!!!!

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Kind of reminds me of the 1971 Corvette 454 that only made 425 HP.......

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You do know the difference between 600 and 820 don't you??? With rare exception all the old cars have the correct shipping weight as well. But I guess all this parity stuff is still too much for you to grasp.

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Yep. Seems like the rules have changed just a tad since 1971 too. Surely you wouldn't want me to add 400 lbs of lead just to replace all the Federally mandated stuff that I get to remove?

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I see that they fixed the HP to .85 today.

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Gump, you sure have a selective memory. Shipping weight and Horsepower continue to be the standard unless you are a member of the chosen few. You don't get to remove one pound from the shipping weight until after the car has been classified. Nice try though.

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The easy thing for NHRA to do would be to make the transbrakes legal like they did with the Heavy/Pro/Footbrake cars in D1. But they wouldn't go there, would they?

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Uh...the car was classified without all that stuff in it.....That's what the factories have been submitting for quite a while now....

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Yep.

It's now 413 fact. h.p. for the 1320 Challenger

@ 3400 lbs. I believe that now makes the car a natural A car ( 8.23 lbs./hp )

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Yes, you are correct.

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don't care what brand you like, that's cool

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Thanks Dave. Please keep it up!

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Always good to see cars put in the guide.

I think it could possibly be a interesting bracket car, with a warranty, and might lead new blood into the stock and superstock arena. Especially if Ford and GM, put out their own like minded models. Then and only then would the subject matter of a car like this competing as is in stock be something to talk about. Own class, etc. Could it happen, who knows.

Now the economics of currently building one of these for stock and superstock, aren't that compelling, as a 45K entry point or so is just the beginning. 100K done would likely be reasonable.

Someone might do it, a wrecked car would be more $ reasonable. @ 413 HP I don't think it looks like a good package. I leave it up to those in the know on the delta between this motor and the Indy motors from last year in the Camaro, etc.

A original E-Body 70 like mine or Jerry in Texas would be a better use of $ to go run at the windmills of A-Stock and A-Stick. If you want to play, be prepared to pay.

Its a bonfire of the cash, of that all must agree, whether its a 69 big block camaro, a new Camaro, a new challenger, a new mustang, or even a old challenger or cuda......

Eric

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If Mopar offered that 1320 Challenger engine in crate form...

...and if converting a 2008-2012 Challenger body was easy, to look like a 2019, then maybe that could create a more cost reasonable combo.

I am not familiar with how hard it would be to convert the bodies on those Challengers

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Part number for the motor is 68303090AA. Cost is around $8-9,000 depending on where you get it.

Essentially the hood, dash, and the front and rear fascias. Most of the FS/XX Challengers last year, started off as earlier models. Probably best to start with one of the unused original 2009 Drag Pak's that were only supposed to be sold to racers and be raced, but ended up sitting in collections losing value, since most of the hard work is already done.

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Thanks for the part number.

So it sounds like converting a body to a 2019 style is a bolt on affair ?

The dash will most likely be taken out any ways to remove un-necessary stuff and/or install the cage.

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$7,470.01 from allmoparparts.com https://www.allmoparparts.com/part/crate-engine.html

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392 junk yard engines (with accessories) around here start at $5-7000, early Challengers around $12,000. 2012 SRT 392 with miles around $20-30,000. That engine in stock form has some get up and go, headers, cam, "stocker work" maybe 600 or more hp potential, mine ran 12.50 105 spinning the first 100 ft, all stock, 308 gear, HEAVY. There was nothing like this back in the heyday 60s.

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I would like Jeff Teuton to share some insight on the robustness of the 392 engine as regards especially the bottom end and the main caps. As I understand, the main caps are powered metal.

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A 15-19 Challenger flood car is the way to start. No need to convert any front or rear trim and panels. A complete crate engine is the easy but more expensive way to start. You can order the block, heads and crank from Dodge. Many parts to buy to get one of these together. I'll let you know in the end.

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Is the 1320 Challenger hood unique to that model only ?

https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cr...-11_800x0w.jpg

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The hood is a 15-18 Hellcat hood. They are $800 or so new depending on the deal you can find plus paint. Last year there many Houston flood cars available at a cheap price. After selling off motor/trans/rear end/wheels tires/interior the basic shell was free. But, it’s like picking up a piece of wood and thinking you have a house for free! At least you have a rust free body to start with.

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Is there a part number for the hoods? or does an after market company make them ?