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Jim Hanig 04-18-2019 08:53 PM

oil filters
 
What are the race filter of choice now days, Last one i used was the wix. Thanks

SSDiv6 04-18-2019 09:01 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Hanig (Post 587143)
What are the race filter of choice now days, Last one i used was the wix. Thanks

Wix, K&N, Baldwin or Hastings.

Ed Wright 04-18-2019 09:21 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Local refinery lab (SUNOCO) did some flow & filtering tests on spin-on automotive filters. Friend of mine was working on that. He tested one of my 1061 NAPA filters, made by Wix. Also a Wix from another source. Wix/NAPA trapped smaller particles & less flow restriction. The #t1061 has no internal bypass. It ALL goes through the filter element.

1320racer 04-18-2019 09:35 PM

Re: oil filters
 
K&P Engineering

Eman 04-18-2019 10:09 PM

Re: oil filters
 
WIX works for me. I buy in quantity from Filter 1.

Jim Hanig 04-19-2019 07:37 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Thanks

Roberte 04-19-2019 09:38 PM

Re: oil filters
 
NAPA used to offer bulk packs with an additional
10-15% off on their popular #'s. FYI
Bob

RKelliher 04-20-2019 08:39 AM

Re: oil filters
 
Wix also has a racing filter.Little better filteration.I used the 51069R on my camaro.No problems. Wix or wix racing. both better than most others.

Ed Wright 04-20-2019 08:42 AM

Re: oil filters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RKelliher (Post 587212)
Wix also has a racing filter.Little better filteration.I used the 51069R on my camaro.No problems. Wix or wix racing. both better than most others.

That is what NAPA oil filters are, WIX. NAPA parts stores are everywhere. Unless you just like to order things.

Jeff Niceswanger 04-20-2019 09:53 AM

Re: oil filters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RKelliher (Post 587212)
Wix also has a racing filter.Little better filteration.I used the 51069R on my camaro.No problems. Wix or wix racing. both better than most others.

Actually, they are a little worse filtration. But they let more oil thru, because they have less restriction. That's why Wix does not recommend them for street cars. Back years ago,I remember reading Wix developed those filters for the Bush series cars that were not allowed dry sump oiling systems. The Winston Cup cars were running dry sumps, but the Bush cars still mandated spin on stock type filters .

RKelliher 04-20-2019 10:43 AM

Re: oil filters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 587213)
That is what NAPA oil filters are, WIX. NAPA parts stores are everywhere. Unless you just like to order things.

Ed, the wix racing filter does filter more dirt by means of a glass-enhanced media.Also the can structure is stronger. Yes I know napa filters are made by wix to napa specs. Good filter.But I don't mind spending a couple bucks more to help protect a 15k motor.

340Cuda 04-20-2019 11:06 AM

Re: oil filters
 
Wix filters for me.

Dana Fitzpatrick 04-20-2019 12:12 PM

Re: oil filters
 
I switched from Wix Racing filters that have a 60 micron rating,to Moroso,that are rated at 27.I like a bit better filtration.Just my thinking,probably worried over nothing.

Bob Mulry 04-20-2019 03:44 PM

Re: oil filters
 
There are no free rides....

If you want more filtration you end up with less flow (pressure)...

If flow cannot keep up with the internal engine leakage the motor will seize up no matter what your oil pressure is......unless the pressure is monitored at the last location of oil flow....

A tight clearance engine needs less oil flow than a loose clearance engine...

If you monitor oil pressure in the area of the filter it is the highest in the system....

We should be concerned about the lowest oil pressure within the system....

Just something to think about and most of all never forget "The law of unintended consequences"

PS:

I almost forgot the MOST important thing to remember about oil filters is to get the metallic debris out before it gets to the oil pump and filter..

We have been doing this stuff for so long that we take a lot of the things we do for granted..

Go out and buy a bunch of 1/2" square magnets and position them inside the engine so that the oil draining back to the pan has to flow over and around the magnets.

You can place them in the heads, the valley or even in the pan....

The pan part also works for transmissions, both stick & automatic..

Put a couple in see how much metallic debris sticks to the magnets....

Roberte 04-20-2019 04:13 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RKelliher (Post 587220)
Ed, the wix racing filter does filter more dirt by means of a glass-enhanced media.Also the can structure is stronger. Yes I know napa filters are made by wix to napa specs. Good filter.But I don't mind spending a couple bucks more to help protect a 15k motor.

I've been to the wix factory and can assure you,
Napa and Wix filters are the same filters, different
packaging. I even got to make my own. The filters
made to some other one's specs are for the OE.
Bob

Greg Barsamian 04-20-2019 05:20 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Valvoline Packages NAPA Motor Oil as well

CMcAllister 04-20-2019 05:27 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Micron and flow ratings matter.

https://rehermorrison.com/tech-talk-...is-everything/

Chevy55 04-20-2019 05:43 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry (Post 587231)
There are no free rides....

If you want more filtration you end up with less flow (pressure)...

If flow cannot keep up with the internal engine leakage the motor will seize up no matter what your oil pressure is......unless the pressure is monitored at the last location of oil flow....

A tight clearance engine needs less oil flow than a loose clearance engine...

If you monitor oil pressure in the area of the filter it is the highest in the system....

We should be concerned about the lowest oil pressure within the system....

Just something to think about and most of all never forget "The law of unintended consensuses"

When the oil pressure drops change the filter.

Darrel Goheen 04-20-2019 11:55 PM

Re: oil filters
 
I use K&N filters because of contingency and Steve Williams.

Dana Fitzpatrick 04-21-2019 10:48 AM

Re: oil filters
 
I was concerned about flow. Before I made the switch,I consulted with my engine builder and Moroso.I change the oil and filter every 35 runs and cut the filter open.After one year,no issues.

Ed Wright 04-21-2019 12:30 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roberte (Post 587233)
I've been to the wix factory and can assure you,
Napa and Wix filters are the same filters, different
packaging. I even got to make my own. The filters
made to some other one's specs are for the OE.
Bob

There ya go!

Bob Mulry 04-21-2019 01:37 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry (Post 587231)
There are no free rides....

If you want more filtration you end up with less flow (pressure)...

If flow cannot keep up with the internal engine leakage the motor will seize up no matter what your oil pressure is......unless the pressure is monitored at the last location of oil flow....

A tight clearance engine needs less oil flow than a loose clearance engine...

If you monitor oil pressure in the area of the filter it is the highest in the system....

We should be concerned about the lowest oil pressure within the system....

Just something to think about and most of all never forget "The law of unintended consequences"

PS:

I almost forgot the MOST important thing to remember about oil filters is to get the metallic debris out before it gets to the oil pump and filter..

We have been doing this stuff for so long that we take a lot of the things we do for granted..

Go out and buy a bunch of 1/2" square magnets and position them inside the engine so that the oil draining back to the pan has to flow over and around the magnets.

You can place them in the heads, the valley or even in the pan....

The pan part also works for transmissions, both stick & automatic..

Put a couple in see how much metallic debris sticks to the magnets....

I just added some stuff that I thought was important...

Eman 04-21-2019 03:17 PM

Re: oil filters
 
I'm a believer in magnets too. I use neodymium high heat magnets everywhere. i use epoxy to glue them to my aluminium trans pan. I stick a couple on the bottom of the oil filter. I have some in the oil pan and in the cylinder heads. You would be amazed at the coating of metallic fuzz that is accumulated. When I adjust valves I clean the magnets and they always have a coating and when I cut the oil filter you can see the rings of the magnet on the bottom of the can where it picked up metallic particles.

Dana Fitzpatrick 04-21-2019 05:01 PM

Re: oil filters
 
The magnets sound like a good idea,I will get some. I see Home Depot sells Rare Earth magnets.Will those work? Thanks for the good info.

mjacquesjr 04-21-2019 06:20 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Just use Callahan filters, after watching Tommy Boy I can see they are very durable.

Rich Biebel 04-21-2019 06:56 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Wix 51061 =
Napa 1061

Every wix filter uses the same number as Napa but drops the first number.


The first number in Wix filters denotes what it is for.


3 series = fuel
4 series = air
5 series = oil

We buy thousands of filters a year and use Wix in our generator service business. From the biggest to the smallest machines.

When we are out and need one we just get one from Napa

I’ve been using the Wix racing filters for years.

The only feature that would be good on some applications is the nut on the bottom that K&N and Moroso features.

My oil pan makes it a struggle to get a strap wrench on a std round filter.

I modified a strap wrench....

Ed Wright 04-21-2019 08:43 PM

Re: oil filters
 
I have a NAPA Oil Filter socket. Grips the "notches" around the end of the filters.
Has a square hole for a 3/8" drive Rachet or extension, takes them right off.

Dan Fahey 04-21-2019 09:47 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Wix has two filters.
One for racing another for street!

CMcAllister 04-21-2019 09:55 PM

Re: oil filters
 
FilterMAG is the brand name of a line of oil filter magnets sold at the mail orders and other places. Magnets are very strong and they work well. Probably a good idea especially if you are using a larger micron rated filter.

No love for the System 1 type filters or the Clear View see through mounts?

Rich Biebel 04-22-2019 08:25 AM

Re: oil filters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 587287)
I have a NAPA Oil Filter socket. Grips the "notches" around the end of the filters.
Has a square hole for a 3/8" drive Rachet or extension, takes them right off.


I have them at work but not at home....

Rich Biebel 04-22-2019 08:28 AM

Re: oil filters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CMcAllister (Post 587295)
FilterMAG is the brand name of a line of oil filter magnets sold at the mail orders and other places. Magnets are very strong and they work well. Probably a good idea especially if you are using a larger micron rated filter.

No love for the System 1 type filters or the Clear View see through mounts?

I Saw 2 instances of the system one filter blow the o-ring out and both were during dyno testing...…

One was a dirt track engine and one was a Pro Stock 500 cube engine. Made a mess......

Ed Wright 04-22-2019 01:16 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel (Post 587310)
I Saw 2 instances of the system one filter blow the o-ring out and both were during dyno testing...…

One was a dirt track engine and one was a Pro Stock 500 cube engine. Made a mess......

I used a System1 filter on my dirt track Sprint car back in the ninties. Never an issue with O rings, but did not filter as well as a NAPA (Wix) 1061. I sent my spare filter with my friend at the Sunoco lab when they did the oil filter tests I had mentioned.
Taking them apart for inspection & cleaning was easier & more convient than cutting a filter apart. Did not filter as well.

Eman 04-22-2019 09:06 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dana Fitzpatrick (Post 587274)
The magnets sound like a good idea,I will get some. I see Home Depot sells Rare Earth magnets.Will those work? Thanks for the good info.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/12-NEODYMIU...ss!37660!US!-1
Here's a link to some high heat magnets. Magnets lose their magnetism when heated up and they don't regain it.
Here's a good source and some good info on magnets.
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/
I can tell you if you buy some of these you will be amazed. They aren't toys and it sounds crazy but you can get a blood blister real easy with some of the disc magnets they are so strong. If you stick them together you will have to slide them apart or use pliers to get them apart.

Dana Fitzpatrick 04-24-2019 07:05 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Bob and Eman,thanks for the information on the magnets.

cmracing 04-25-2019 03:10 PM

Re: oil filters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eman (Post 587347)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/12-NEODYMIU...ss!37660!US!-1
Here's a link to some high heat magnets. Magnets lose their magnetism when heated up and they don't regain it.
Here's a good source and some good info on magnets.
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/
I can tell you if you buy some of these you will be amazed. They aren't toys and it sounds crazy but you can get a blood blister real easy with some of the disc magnets they are so strong. If you stick them together you will have to slide them apart or use pliers to get them apart.

KJ Magnetics has got to have the largest selection of anyone! I have bought magnets from them for the past 16 years. From the tiniest magnets I used with Hall Effects for RPM pickup to magnets that could probably lift a car!


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