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kdanner 05-23-2019 05:03 PM

Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
http://nhraracer.com/content/general...525&zoneid=132

Clearly a hit on the projected performance of the 351, not what it has actually done to date.

The fix is in. Never happen but I wish everyone would just stay home and let Schumacher race himself.

jmcarter 05-23-2019 05:21 PM

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They keep it up and the millionaires will take their toys and go home. Don’t mean to sound childish, just hope NHRA is in constant dialogue with the teams otherwise frustration will peak.

kdanner 05-23-2019 05:38 PM

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It's just completely beyond ridiculous.

Gators they were 25 thou behind the best COPO. COPO loses blower OD anyway.

Charlotte, they were 23 thou behind the best COPO. COPO loses blower OD anyway.

Virginia they just had a bad race. Out 60 footed everyone except Skinner yet were a tenth behind the best CJ/COPO at the stripe. That wouldn't have happened if they were good passes, as they could previously hang with the COPO before the 2 pulley changes. Yet they still get a gift given to them.

The NHRA guy on the podcast said they wanted these cars to run high 7.90s in mineshaft air and they would slow them down to that. Well a DP ran 7.85 in worse than mineshaft air at the Gators, yet they never attempted to slow them down, and now quite the opposite.

Fezell is the one guy who has run the 351, he's been nearly 2 tenths behind the top cars, and he loses blower OD too?

Any of this seem logical at all?

troublemaker427 05-23-2019 06:05 PM

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Time to just race in the NMCA. From what I've heard they aren't making anymore changes over there. DSR can't control them. Better track prep and payout too. This is ridiculous what the NHRA has allowed DSR to do.

Nick Heath 05-23-2019 06:22 PM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kdanner (Post 589161)
It's just completely beyond ridiculous.

Gators they were 25 thou behind the best COPO. COPO loses blower OD anyway.

Charlotte, they were 23 thou behind the best COPO. COPO loses blower OD anyway.

Virginia they just had a bad race. Out 60 footed everyone except Skinner yet were a tenth behind the best CJ/COPO at the stripe. That wouldn't have happened if they were good passes, as they could previously hang with the COPO before the 2 pulley changes. Yet they still get a gift given to them.

The NHRA guy on the podcast said they wanted these cars to run high 7.90s in mineshaft air and they would slow them down to that. Well a DP ran 7.85 in worse than mineshaft air at the Gators, yet they never attempted to slow them down, and now quite the opposite.

Fezell is the one guy who has run the 351, he's been nearly 2 tenths behind the top cars, and he loses blower OD too?

Any of this seem logical at all?

Fezell is running the old 5.4 (331) motor.

kdanner 05-23-2019 06:25 PM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Heath (Post 589164)
Fezell is running the old 5.4 (331) motor.

I've heard it stated both ways, that it is the 331/TVS and the 351/2.9. Maybe both have been used this year? Regardless, there's still no justification for taking blower OD from the 351/2.9.

Superfan1 05-23-2019 06:28 PM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kdanner (Post 589161)
It's just completely beyond ridiculous.

Gators they were 25 thou behind the best COPO. COPO loses blower OD anyway.

Charlotte, they were 23 thou behind the best COPO. COPO loses blower OD anyway.

Virginia they just had a bad race. Out 60 footed everyone except Skinner yet were a tenth behind the best CJ/COPO at the stripe. That wouldn't have happened if they were good passes, as they could previously hang with the COPO before the 2 pulley changes. Yet they still get a gift given to them.

The NHRA guy on the podcast said they wanted these cars to run high 7.90s in mineshaft air and they would slow them down to that. Well a DP ran 7.85 in worse than mineshaft air at the Gators, yet they never attempted to slow them down, and now quite the opposite.

Fezell is the one guy who has run the 351, he's been nearly 2 tenths behind the top cars, and he loses blower OD too?

Any of this seem logical at all?

Don Fezell runs the 331 combination with the 2.3 liter supercharger and smaller throttle body; he does not run the 351. His combination will remain unchanged as stated in the article.

troublemaker427 05-23-2019 06:30 PM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfan1 (Post 589167)
Don Fezell runs the 331 combination with the 2.3 liter supercharger and smaller throttle body; he does not run the 351. His combination will remain unchanged as stated in the article.

He did tell me in Richmond he had a new motor coming. Not sure if it was the 351?

bigshow2966 05-24-2019 03:48 AM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
Mr. Turk said on Facebook yesterday that no one is running the 351, but someone has been on the dyno with one. He did not say who.

Dyno 05-24-2019 09:18 AM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
Mr. Danner. To keep everyone competing in this class there will be adjustments made to keep ALL contestants on an equal level. This was made last year when the Drag Pak had an advantage and now NHRA has done the same again. I know you would be happiest if it was an all Ford field, but that is not going to happen

JHeath 05-24-2019 09:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyno (Post 589195)
Mr. Danner. To keep everyone competing in this class there will be adjustments made to keep ALL contestants on an equal level. This was made last year when the Drag Pak had an advantage and now NHRA has done the same again. I know you would be happiest if it was an all Ford field, but that is not going to happen

Dyno, last year's Dodge adjustment did nothing !

kdanner 05-24-2019 10:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyno (Post 589195)
Mr. Danner. To keep everyone competing in this class there will be adjustments made to keep ALL contestants on an equal level. This was made last year when the Drag Pak had an advantage and now NHRA has done the same again. I know you would be happiest if it was an all Ford field, but that is not going to happen

Well, nice of you to make assumptions about what would make me happy, however you might read some of what I wrote. I'll do it again just for you.

Gators, best DP runs within 25 thou of the best COPO. COPO loses blower OD.

Charlotte, best DP runs within 23 thou of the best COPO, i.e. slowed basically as much as the COPOs even though no rule change for the DPs. Somehow COPO loses blower OD yet again.

Virginia, DPs slowed a greater amount than both the COPOs and the CJs even though, again, no rule change for the DPs. Yet somehow DP gets rewarded with a weight break.

Why is the car which has not been penalized repeatedly slowing more than the cars which actually are penalized? All appearances are that hasty rule changes were made based on cars that were not performing at the level which they have previously displayed.

Right now the DP is in exactly the same configuration in which it has ran 7.85 EXCEPT it is now 75 lbs lighter. Meanwhile the current configs of the CJ and COPO have ran bests of 7.94 and 7.95 respectively.

fastlane 05-24-2019 06:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kdanner (Post 589201)
Well, nice of you to make assumptions about what would make me happy, however you might read some of what I wrote. I'll do it again just for you.

Gators, best DP runs within 25 thou of the best COPO. COPO loses blower OD.

Charlotte, best DP runs within 23 thou of the best COPO, i.e. slowed basically as much as the COPOs even though no rule change for the DPs. Somehow COPO loses blower OD yet again.

Virginia, DPs slowed a greater amount than both the COPOs and the CJs even though, again, no rule change for the DPs. Yet somehow DP gets rewarded with a weight break.

Why is the car which has not been penalized repeatedly slowing more than the cars which actually are penalized? All appearances are that hasty rule changes were made based on cars that were not performing at the level which they have previously displayed.

Right now the DP is in exactly the same configuration in which it has ran 7.85 EXCEPT it is now 75 lbs lighter. Meanwhile the current configs of the CJ and COPO have ran bests of 7.94 and 7.95 respectively.

100% correct

BG56 05-24-2019 08:05 PM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kdanner (Post 589201)
Well, nice of you to make assumptions about what would make me happy, however you might read some of what I wrote. I'll do it again just for you.

Gators, best DP runs within 25 thou of the best COPO. COPO loses blower OD.

Charlotte, best DP runs within 23 thou of the best COPO, i.e. slowed basically as much as the COPOs even though no rule change for the DPs. Somehow COPO loses blower OD yet again.

Virginia, DPs slowed a greater amount than both the COPOs and the CJs even though, again, no rule change for the DPs. Yet somehow DP gets rewarded with a weight break.

Why is the car which has not been penalized repeatedly slowing more than the cars which actually are penalized? All appearances are that hasty rule changes were made based on cars that were not performing at the level which they have previously displayed.

Right now the DP is in exactly the same configuration in which it has ran 7.85 EXCEPT it is now 75 lbs lighter. Meanwhile the current configs of the CJ and COPO have ran bests of 7.94 and 7.95 respectively.

Sooooo, who's the better sandbagger?

Randy Taylor 42 05-24-2019 08:14 PM

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Maybe they will let me win someday!!! HaHaHa

Ed Wright 05-24-2019 10:20 PM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
Lighten those Dodges up for Indy.

Ralph A Powell 05-25-2019 08:34 AM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
Donnie and Mike Lewis must be. Crying to NHRA with its my time to win!

Gary Summers 05-25-2019 05:17 PM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
Dodge has got the biggest engine and Schumacher got the deepest pockets what's the problem that he can't Run with the Ford micro motor he's a crybaby

killintime6968 05-25-2019 05:24 PM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
Saving it all for Indy then watch them fly.

Gary Summers 05-25-2019 07:05 PM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by killintime6968 (Post 589300)
Saving it all for Indy then watch them fly.

If they keep giving them gifts every race they should be able to run with the fords and chevys by then

Larry Hill 05-26-2019 06:50 AM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
MPH tells the truth.

kdanner 05-26-2019 04:17 PM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 589328)
MPH tells the truth.

Sure does. DPs ran 173 last year, 173 again at the Gators, 174 at zMAX, then down to 170 in VA.

Larry Hill 05-27-2019 10:23 AM

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Only down 6-8 MPH. It looks like a tire pressure adjustment will fix that.

Superfan1 05-27-2019 06:43 PM

Re: Let Schumacher's cars win, or else
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by troublemaker427 (Post 589168)
He did tell me in Richmond he had a new motor coming. Not sure if it was the 351?

I found out at the Maple Grove LODRS that it is the 351. May have it at Topeka, if not; should have it at Norwalk.


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