1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

Well as if 427 Ford and 396 Chevy NHRA Factored Horsepower wasn't confusing enough, I'm realizing that not all B-Body SS/ SuperStock Hemis had cold air hoods.


I gather that ALL the Street Hemi's were factored to 480 hp from 1966-1970, maybe down to 455hp in 1971?


But then, there's the hoods. The 1967 RO23, WO23 cars all ran in the SS/C=7.00 class with cold air hoods.


But what about say Sox' 1967 GTX in SS/D=7.70? Cold air or flat hood?


What about the 1968 SS/D=7.70 B-Body Hemis? Which ones ran cold air vs a flat hood, and did that affect the 480hp factor? It seems like if you could run cold air "for free" (no factoring), then who wouldn't? Unless NHRA didn't allow it.


A lot of funny rules affected the cold-air vs flat-hood 427 Fairlanes so this is why I'm asking about the 1967-68 B-Body Mopar Hemis.


Math!
Thanks for the help and memories.

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

It depends on what you're running.

In 1966...Everything had a flat hood.

In 1967...Belvederes and all Coronets (except WO) had flat hoods. GTX's had a twin scooped hood, and the RO/WO got the big scoop.

Today...Everything can run the big RO/WO scoop. Doesn't matter if it's a '66 or '67. Not sure who gave the okay on that...but it's bogus...and I'm a Mopar guy.

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

The SS/D Sox & Martin car was a RO23 with a GTX grille and GTX lettering.

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

I've seen those photos too & that gets to my confusion & question.
If the cars were really RO23 Belvederes with W/P=7.59, it seems they'd have to run in the SS/7.00 (W/P) class. That was SS/B in 1967 or SS/C in 1968. It wouldn't matter to NHRA if they had GTX or Imperial or Chevelle painted on the side, its still an RO23 car so would have to run in the W/P=7.00-7.69 class, right?


Now, a real 67 Hemi GTX would have W/P=7.75 so It would run in the SS/7.70 class. That was SS/C in 1967 or SS/D in 1968. But either way, you'd have to run a GTX hood with no cold air. IIRC you couldn't just add cold air induction to a car model that didn't come that way, right?


So my thinking now is, to run a B-Body Hemi in the SS/7.70 class, it had to have a flat hood without Functioning cold air- UNLESS, maybe I missed it, was there a factory cold air option for the 1968 Hemi GTX and Coronet R/T?

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Sox & Martin had two '67 Hemi cars. One was a plain Belvedere, and the other an RO23. Both were run with and without GTX trim at times. The plain Belvedere was kept by S&M through 1968 and ran with the twin scooped GTX hood at times...most notably at Englishtown.

The RO/WO cars were not produced until March of 1967. Sox was at Beeline and Pomona that year with a Hemi Belvedere. Ronnie seldom ever drove the RO car...always the plain Belvedere...which was trimmed as a RO car later in the year after the parts became available.

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

Steve Sasko - here lies the problem

O23 cars built 12 Feb 67 - 55 of each. Not March.

S&M had THREE 67 Belvederes - Not two.

1. The Belvedere RO23 is the obvious one.

They raced in SS/B in 67, one class slower than the 65 A990 Race Hemi cars. One anomaly…S&M ran their RO23 in SS/C at the Winter Nationals…a clear error by the NHRA techs.?

I have results lists showing Myl, Vanke, Sullivan/McCandless & Sox all running these cars in SS/B for the bulk of the season...so what happened at the Winters?

2. Flat hood car - The main flathood car is harder to pick…but a close inspection reveals Belvedere upper sill trim, a rear Belvedere trim panel and a bench seat. The car was a 440 and ran in SS/E in 67.

3. The 3rd car was purchased later…and ran as a ‘flat hood’ ‘GTX’ . Pictures show a Belvedere rear panel…but no Belvedere upper sill trim. Again it is believed to be a Belvedere and known to have run a Street Hemi…and with the flat hood ran in SS/D against genuine GTX’s in 67.

Its a tribute to S&M marketing that these cars are still believed to be ‘GTX’s’ today.


Moving on.....

There is a widely syndicated picture of the S&M ‘cold air’ car at the 68 Winters running in SS/D. (Attached)

The ‘same’ O23’ type car was run in SS/C (68) by Rudy Schings and Wiley Cossey.....,so why was the Sox RO run in a slower class at both the 67 Winters (SS/C) and the 68 Winters (SS/D)?

My only conclusion is S&M ran an air cleaner...conning NHRA into thinking it was the same engine as a factory GTX - which of course it wasn’t. (Blueprinted, bigger carbs, modded intake)

I guess we’ll never know....but its a heck of a curve ball!

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They didn't run the R0/W0 cars at the Winters, because they weren't built yet!!! The NHRA Winternationals were 2/5/1967. This is why the Belvedere ran in C at the Winternationals, and B the rest of 1967, AFTER they received the parts to convert it to R0 trim. Does it not click in your mind that NO ONE else was running an "R0" car at the Winternationals?

The dealer pricing info was sent out on 2/10. The sequence numbers were assigned on 2/12. There is generally a one month difference between the scheduled and actual build date. The earliest ship date for a '67 R0 Plymouth that I have documented is 3/23. The earliest '67 W0 Dodge date I have seen is 3/27. This is info coming right from Chrysler IBM build cards. I've been researching '67 R0/W0 cars for quite a while now.

If you go back to my comment, where you're trying to disprove me, I stated Sox & Martin only had two '67 HEMI cars. I know there was a third car. It was a 440 GTX, with white interior. We've been through this numerous times, in different places, but you can't keep or get your facts straight.

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

So how do you explain the cold air hood on the S&M car at the winters?

Happy to accept the 023cars were not ready...bur explain the scoop?

And what cars did Grotheer and Charbonneau run in SS/B at Pomona in 67? Because the flat hood GTX ran in SS/C

And how do you explain the S&M cold air scoop at the 68 Winters in SS/D, when the Cossey and Schings O23 cars ran in SS/C that year?

These are the questions Ive been trying to get answers to.....and remain unanswered.

So instead of being a paranoid hysteric and assuming I’m out to ‘do you down’....try ‘clicking in’ and understanding your explanation only goes so far...;)

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

There is no scoop to explain before March of 1967. Sox had two cars at the start of '67...the flat hood Hemi Belvedere (383 car originally), and the twin scooped 440 GTX (white interior). The third car was the R023 which came later (May). There are plenty of early 1967 photos showing the first two cars with their old white hauler before they got the new R/W/B hauler later that year. Also, if you look at early photos of the white interior car...it did not have the Belvedere trim on it, that was added later.

The 383 car was kept through '68. After the R0 scoop came available, it was converted. They put a rectangular Hemi badge on the front edge of the fender where the Belvedere nameplate normally was. The R0 car always had both name plates on it (Belvedere & Hemi). This is all documentable by publicly available photos. The photos I attached are the converted 383 car.

Jim Skarbek wanted to buy Ronnie's '67 car, but Ronnie was contractually obligated by Chrysler to continue running it into 1968. Sox & Martin prepared Skarbek a B029 car instead. Sam Carroll bought the 440 car.

Charbonneau ran his '66 from the year before, he got a '67 Fairlane not long after. Grotheer also ran his '66. Grotheer never had an R0 car...his '67 car was built from a 6-cylinder car using the driveline from the '66 car he had.

The '68 explanation is the whole topic of this post. Chrysler submitted bogus paperwork and NHRA allowed the scooped hood on the '67 cars. If you ran in Belvedere or Coronet 440 trim, you ran C. If you ran as a GTX or Coronet R/T...you ran D. NHRA put a stop to this, and that's why Sox put the twin scooped hood on his car for Englishtown. Geoff Stunkard covered that years ago in one of his articles in the collector's guide.

The info is out there man, you've got to want it, and you're not going to find the answers in anything written by Larry Davis or Jim Schild.

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The 440 car...note how the Belvedere trim was added later.

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The R023 car. Note the stripe and 1/4 window lettering.

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

OK, All of that makes a lot of sense..and it brings on one more question....caused by the bogus paperwork issue.....

Lets deal with the RO23 -

It ran SS/B for most of 67.

It ran SS/D at 68 Winters - dd it run at all at the 68 Nats?

And what class did tje RO23s run in 69, SS/D or SS/E...I have results lists showing both....hence my confusion.

BTW, I’m an Aussie..we don’t get the old cool magazines you guys got - So when compiling my web site I had to rely on ‘the books’, a few mags I bought on Ebay...and asking lots of dumb questions of people like you.

Ive also got to know quite a few old school racers...Ed Miller, JG Elliot, Tom Myl....but memories fail.

Thank you for the pics...your explanation has parted the clouds��

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

The car that was running SS/D in '68 at the Winters was the converted 383 car. They had a twin scooped hood on it at Indy that year. See attached from both races.


They were still flopping between classes in '69 with trim/hood changes.

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Gotcha. No wonder the results lists don’t make sense!

I have a couple of pics with Stricklers name on the door, was this for the 68 Nats?

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

Dave ran the R0 car at Indy in '67.

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

Thank you! That concludes my investigation:rolleyes:

There’s a guy on FB coming to the same wrong conclusions as me - I’ll precis your explanation and fill him in.

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

Steve - whats your guess on this car - looks to be a 440 - 67 SpringNats?

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

Steve,
Your knowledge of all MOPAR especially Sox & Martin is outstanding. Please tell us more about yourself or feel free to send me a Private Message.
Frank

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

Yes...the 440 car. White interior, GTX emblem on the fender.

Frank...I'm a nobody in the grand scheme of all things Mopar. I just enjoy the history of Chrysler Racing, and searching for lost race cars. While I have done an extensive amount of research on '67 cars, my heart is with the '64 and '65 cars. The information I provided in this post is easily found across the web, especially if you search this particular forum. You just have to put the pieces of the puzzle together (dating photos, events, etc). I'm not claiming to be the end all expert on this, nor will I ever, because there's too many people that are gone now who could fill in blanks.

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Steve, do you use Facebook at all? I’ve compiled a couple of lists over time, of the A864 and A990 cars, original drivers and owners.

Have you seen them?

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

I found this..Grotheer...67...but no scoop.

I have no idea where this fits :confused:

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

Was there supposed to be a photo?

I am pretty familiar with that car as I crewed for the second owner and knew Don and the car before that. It always had a scoop as far as I know.

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

I know it says SS/B....would this have been the 67 Winter Nationals car ?

I read that the 66 drivetrain was swapped into it?

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Never seen them. I have been doing my own using the dealer code info from Darrell's books. Trying to match cars to areas. Some of the engineering cars throw you for a loop...but when you match vins and etc, you can put some of that together. I know of an engineering R051 car that is still owned by the original owner.

Some of that stuff that was published by others on Facebook a few years back was bogus. When one dealer tells me they received two '64 A864 Dodges, and has paper and photo documentation showing you such, but neither car was included on the published "lists", for example. (EDIT: I should add that I offered to share info without success. This person was convinced that they could find original owners just by searching results from 1964.) A lot of these cars traded hands quick due to lack of experience with the Hemi in 1964 and 1965. Some racers were very frustrated when they couldn't get their Hemi car to run better than the Wedge they just abandoned. I don't think anyone will ever be able to put an exact list together, but there is enough info to get pretty close.

That photo is pretty washed out across the top. It may or may not have a scoop on it. It was definitely a converted 6-cyl car. I haven't spoken to Don on that exactly, but have heard it from a couple sources that are close to him to say it is truth.

The '67 cars were really a horrible after thought. There were plans in '66 to do another A990 type package, but that never followed through. At the same time though, a lot of racers liked the '67 cars because they were more "complete" and didn't require a bunch of extra work...like the '68 cars did.

You know what's really interesting about '67 Package cars? How many original paint survivors there still are in existence. I can think of four Dodges and one Plymouth right off the top of my head. I still have a fair amount of cars unaccounted for though.

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Steve - you may find these lists useful/interesting/hopelessly incorrect! 😆

64 Race Hemi A864 - Car , Driver, Team

Hoeferts Hurricane - Claude Bradshaw Sr - Hoefert Dodge, Alton Ill
Eddie Smith - West Virginia -
Snorkasaurus IV - Blue Barnes
Bob Cain - Fred F Cain Plymouth
Melrose Missile VI - Tommy Grove - Melrose Plymouth
Hemi Honker - Bud Faubel - Shively Motors (Sedan & Hardtop) ( Hardtop converted from Max wedge)
Golden Commando 5 & 6- Forest Pitcock - Hamilton Motors (Sedan & Hardtop) (Hardtop converted from Max Wedge)
Candymatic - Jim Thornton - Ramchargers - Hodges Dodges
Candymatic Too - Mike Buckel - Ramchargers - Hodges Dodges
‘Our Bear’? - Dave Strickler - Dodge Boys (Sedan & Hardtop) - Ill.
Larry Lawrence - The Dodge Boys, Portland Oregon
Yankee Peddler - Wild Bill Flynn - County Dodge (Hardtop)
Color Me Gone - Roger Lindamood
Hustler - Pat Minick - Grand Spaulding Dodge
Hemi-Charger - Dick Landy - Automotive Research
Mayflower V - Hank Taylor - (Hank Taylor in his 1964 Plymouth S/SA 'Mayflower V' was the first S/SA to go under 11.50. He did it at Phenix City, Alabama in August 1964. He re-set the S/SA National Record.)
Paul Rossi- Westborn Chrysler Raiders
Dick Lohr - Hine Motors
The Hemi-Roid - Gene Snow - Melton & Snow Autos
Mr Plymouth 426 - Robert Nance
Lawman - Al Ekstrand
777 - Jakes Speed Equipment
The Butcher - Jim Ford (Hardtop)
Ramrunner Too - Miller/Kruger Illinois
Lee Smith - Nate Learners Chrysler (Sedan & Hardtop)
The Warsaw Rebel (Hardtop) - (Some question over this car)
Joe Smith - Fenner Tubbs (Hardtop)
Born Wild
Its a Hemi - Tom Strunk & Hayden Proffit - Yeakel Plymouth Center (Sedan & Hardtop)
Big Red - Dave Lewis
Missouri Mule- Doc Spence - Site Bros
Bill Barton - Burgoise & Wade
Maverick - Bill ‘Maverick’ Golden - Orange County Dodge
Earl Wade - Speed Enterprises
Jim Rodgers - Town & Country Chrysler Plymouth
Flying Carpet - Bob Harrop - Harrop Crescent Dodge
Suspect
Hemi-Munster
Flying Dutchman - Al Vandervoude - Culver City Plymouth
Tax Dodge - Joe ?
Billy West - The Little Pilgrim - Yates Motor Company NC
The Iron Butterfly - Ted Spehar
Grey Ghost - Jim Hale - Jim’s Speedshop
Quarterbender - Bill Rieck - Lompoc Performance Center
Suddenly II - The Dodge Boys - Larry ? /Melvyn ?/ Tex ?
Hurricane - Herb Freels - Francis & Parsons
Satellite - Harold Laplatte - Ferriero Motor Sales
Mr Black - Ron Powers - Powers Automotive
Determination - Jim Clark
Big Money Dodge (ex Ramchargers car)
Rebel - Penn- Can Motors
Roadrunner -
Tickles me pink -
Jayhawker - Jon Thorne
Goldfinger Hawaiian Style
11th Commandment II - Joe Bambace
Jerry Maycock - Mckay/Swift Dodge
Gary Ostrich - Chuck Ostrich Inc. - (Hardtop)
Hemi-Head Plymouth - Bill Dill - Minnesota (Hardtop)
Tim Hennessey/Bill Drakes (Hardtop)
Lynn Ferguson - Lundy Motors, StJohns Michigan (Hardtop)
Al’s Auto Sales (Hardtop)
Hair bender - Dick Hansen/Gordon Stewart - Sioux Falls
McCullach-Ricci Chrysler Plymouth - Detroit
Hahn Motor Company
Mr Motech- John Tedder - Michigan
Jay Miner - New York
King of the Goats - ‘Big Deal’ Jacobs - Alabama
Teachers Pet - Jerry Stein
Don Owens - Pink Panther
Jersey Duke 2- Jack Werst - Duke Motors
Rumblebee - Assay -Bruno Motors, NJ (Later Wild Man)
Pandemonium - Jim O’Connor

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

65 A990 Race Hemis - Car, Driver, Team

65 A990s

*Black Arrow - Bill Jenkins- Doc Burgess
* Dodge Power - Gene Takash
* Quicksilver - Len Silvers
* Woody Walcher - Perkins Motors,
* Thunder 11 - Dons Texaco, Don Townsend, Jim Almeter, Neil Marzolf - , Attica, New York - Later raced as 1/4 Mile Hustler - Jerry Vanek , then back to Thunder II raced by Hap Gooder
* Vigilante - Don F. Peluso, Pleasure Ridge, NY
* HURST Tornado IV - Larry Griffith, Geneseo, Ill.
* Porters Ride - Bob Porter - Richard Porter, Mansfield, Ohio
* Thunder II - Jim Almeter, Neil Marzolf and Don Townsend
* Mr Quick - Nick Knezevich - K&K Racing Team, Columbus Ohio
* The Professor - Bill Shirey
* The Defender - Gary Ostrich - Chuck Ostrich Motors
* Hurri-Cain - Bob Cain - Fred F. Cain, Inc., Wilmington, MA
* Satisfaction - Lyn Balek / Tom Crutchfield then Down and Crutchfield
* The Virginia Twister — Ben Woody/Kenny Warren
* West Virginia Hemi-Charger — Frank Boggess
* Grand Spaulding Dodge — Gary Dyer
* Grand Spaulding Dodge — Bob Lawliss
* Grand Spaulding Dodge — Joey Muscarne
* Hemi-Thrasher — Bob Repine
* Ramsmoke — Bill Nugent
* Argyle Canadian Highlander - John Petrie -
* Bounty Hunters — Tom Sneden
* Dodge Boys - Dave Strickler
* Challenger — Dick Hankinson
* Cy Green Dodge — Dick Green
* Kon Tiki - Rich Brown
* Tension — Shirl Greer
* Mighty Quick - Nick Knezivich - K&K Racing
* Hemi-A-Go-Go — Ken Holwick
* Go Hummer — Mary Ann Foss - Also raced as Dependable - Wes Koogle - Mansfield OH.
* Pandemonium — Frank Pelligrino
* Yankee Peddler — Bill Flynn
* Southside Dodge*
* Mr. Tomato — Robert Linquist
* Hemi Honker - Bud Faubel (Chambersburg PA)
* Flying Carpet - Bob Harrop - (Camden NJ) Probably two cars, one AWB, one ran S/SA at Indy in 1965
* Hall & Heath - David Heath -(Owensboro KY)
* Sam Kennedy - (Thomasville NC)
* Landy’s Dodge - Dick Landy - (Sherman Oaks CA)
* That White Dodge - George Matheson -(Raebush Heights MI) AFX w/ original wheelbase
* Ram Rod II - Hank McAleenan- - (St Petersburg FL)
* Bob Schroeder - Hollywood Dodge
* Dick Smith - Town & Country Dodge(Detroit MI)
* Hay Hauler - Jack Thomas - Chicagoland Dodge Boys (LaGrange IL)
* O.B. Hewett - Melvin Yow - (Fayetteville NC)
* The Bloodhound - Bob Ramstrom - Yates Dodge (Later GENE - Gene O’Niel)
* Hemi Express - Jim Clark
* Mrs Bee’s Hemi - Jim Thornton
* Tenessee Thunder - Jonathon Livingstone
* 5 & 50 - Jack Werst
* Mad Moose - William Andress, c/o Serbay Motor Sales, Ypsilanti, MI
* Ringo - Bob Fulp
* Big Red 11 - Lewis and Higgins
* Outlaw - Charles Doyle, Tuckerman, AR
* Pete Dorsey - Dorsey Metcalfe Racing
* Lawrence Apodaca, Hayword, Ca.
* Hemi Holeshot - Chuck Poole.
* El Toro - Etherd Halsey
* Goldfinger - Buzzy Schrello - Hi Level Chrysler-Ply, Homestead, Pa.
* Wayne Seymour, Casper, Wyoming
* Mayflower IV - Hank Taylor
* Robert Rosalie - NY
* The Big Wheel - Albert Fontanini, Glenview, IL
* Moonshot - Candies and Hughes
* Sonny Brooks, c/o Densham Springs Motors, Baton Rouge,
* Hemi-Powered Plymouth - Derwood Reep - Joe Ralph Thompson - Jefferson Motors, AR
* Vermont Shaker - John Casey
* Pilgrims Progress - Pete Kost - Ray Chaffe
* Hemi Countdown - Harry Holton
* Kentuckian - Harry Samuels
* Greg McAndrew - George McAndrew - Kolsar Motors, Westfield Pa,
* Bob Ranstrom - Yates Dodge
* Mr 4 Speed- Herb McCandless
* Paper Tiger - Ron Sox - Gate City Motors
* Tim Richards
* Golden Commandoes - Al Eckstrand
* Haulin Hemi II - Lee Smith
* Ramchargers - Jim Thornton - Hodges Dodges
* Melrose Missile- Tommy Grove
* Bloodhound - Bob Ranstrom
* Hemi Rebel Rouser - Chuck Grimsley
* Huckleberry Hound - Roger Johansen
* Orval Moore - Melvin Stiers, c/o Bud Johnson, 5th Ave C-P, Anchorage, AK * Ronnie Bullard - Evanston Dodge
* Orange Blossom - John Sims, Las Cruces, New Mexico
* (Norman Hall?) - Derby Chrysler Plymouth, Louisville, KY
* The Kentucky Colonels - David Heath
* Color Me Gone- Roger Lindamood
* (Alford Durrell?) - Atkins C-P, Decatur, Al.
* Flintstone Flying Commando - Dave Koffel
* Highlander - Wild Bill Flynn - Harris Auto RI
* Wildcatter - Foster Maysi
* Dick Housey - McCullogh - Ricci Inc.
* The Virginian - W W ‘Pee Wee’ Wallace *
* The Stinger - Frank B.Mathews, Ed Davis Chrysler, Detroit, MI, then Dave Tinney
* Torqueflite Tornado 111 - Jack Ferris - Ferris Motors
* Mothers Mistake - Tony Redman- Paddock Plymouth
* Mountain Hemi - Harold Hurley - Doug Hurley
* Fugitive - John Hagan
* The Chinese Bandit - Johnny P?
* Ole Brownie - Arlen Vanke - Arlen Vanke Superstocks, then Plymouth Rock 11 - Ed Miller - Miller & Gunther
* Drag-on Lady - Shirley Shahan
* Joe Smith - Fenner & Tubbs
* Texas Rattler - Mingle Motors
* Yankee Peddler - Bill Flynn
* 555 - Ken Montgomery
* Mr Plymouth - Robert Nance
* Outlaw - Sonny Wayland
* Hemi Charger - Russ Funk
* Giddy up a go go - Big Ed
* Claude Bradshaw - Joe Sperino Plymouth
* Ray Christian - Pottmeyer Dodge
* Bold Weevil - Merrill Ling - Washington
* Missouri Mule - Doc Spence - Sites Bros
* California Flash - Butch Leal
* Carlon Hine - Hine Motors
* The Roadrunner — Fred Cutler - Ramchargers
* Big Money Dodge - Jim Thornton - Ramchargers
*Mr Plymouth - Robert Nance
* Whiplash - Henderon Eastgate Motors
*The Apex - Ray Christian
*Gene Kidder - Kidder Garage
*Hot Foot - Don Braasch
* “7” - George McAndrews - McAndrews Brothers
*Dick Levreault- Levreault Brothers - Hambden Dodge
*Sloan & Sloan - Ernie Sloan
* Jerry Maycock - McKay-Swift Dodge
* Huron Valley Pure - Bob Fishaw.
*Hemi Coffin- Butch Flames
* Man from Mopar then Harms Way - Harmon Friend - Gary Dodge, Lorain Ohio
*Dave Parent - Mahopac, NY
*Mr Ed - Ed Knezevich - K&K Racing Team, Columbus Ohio

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Just a few things I see off the top of my head added in red...will touch on your '65 list later...

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Can anyone give me contact info on Rat Patrol? My dad is on his 64 hemi list and I would like more info.

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PM’d you.

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

Thx Steve...a lot of these I just pulled off George Klass remembers....and could only go by the scoop! 😆

Others were memories from members of Harold Laplattes FB page..and could not be verified.

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

Steve Sasko -

- I found a pic of a 1963 MW ‘Iron Butterfly’.....are you sure the Hemi version came along so much later?

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

Yes. It was Ted's wife, Tina's, personal car. Tina told me herself that Ted took the car and made a race car out of it. This car was built for Indy in 1969...the automatic equivalent to Vanke's '65 Belvedere.

EDIT...That is a '64 car in your picture. Wally drove at Indy, Dick Oldfield at Dallas.

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

I had to shorten this up...was way over the character limit. Start here. You also had a few cars listed 2-3 times in your list with the same owner???

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Hi Steve - please see the following..

65 A990 Race Hemis - Car, Driver, Team

* Mrs Bee’s Hemi - Jim Thornton Never saw where Thornton drove this? I know Bill Stiles did - I understood this was an ex- RC car?

* Giddy up a go go - Big Ed Seems to be a jumble on Holwick's car and Ed Knezevich? Both were from Ohio and already listed here - to clarify..Mr Ed was Ed Knisovich...Might Quick was Nick Knisovich?

*Smith & Sons, Cartollton, Ohio - Any idea on the driver?

* Jerry Maycock - McKay-Swift Dodge Did Maycock drive this? The Mckay-Swift car was Marshall Bell's car..."Bell Boys" -

- my bad....This was an A864 race car and driver - who was Marshall Bell?

Thx.

Re: 1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?
 

Actually...two queries! Which Outlaw became Koffels car....Sonny’s or Charles Doyle?

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A bit more info -

Apparently A864 High & Mighty was sold by Hartley Motors to McKay Swift.

Maycock and Fiskes involvement ended here.

Unsure if the car name changed.


McKay Swift also bought an A990 - Bell Boys, Marshall Bell.

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What a great read, enjoyed every post!

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I am not even a Mopar guy but find this fascinating. The Jim Clark listed in 64 and 65 , is that a Vancouver area guy who ran alky dragsters in the 90's?

I was at his place once and recall seeing Mopar stuff and pictures.

Also didn't Grumpy Jenkins also run a Hemi in 64?

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From what I recall, is that Grumpy drove a 65 Plymouth called the Black Arrow, that was owned by Doc Burgess.

Bill