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Anybody know the real story on this one???

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Wrong class I believe. It was a natural B car and couldn't get into AA.

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Same thing happened to Luke Bogacki in Mn. a few years ago. I think it was a '70 402 Nova.

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And when he showed up for the Reynolds GA D2 race he was promptly asked to remove a head....think he quit Stock shortly thereafter, which is too bad but just goes to show NHRA took tech a bit more seriously “back in the day”.

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Believe it is a 66 Coronet hemi. 8.60 lbs/hp factor @425hp...natural B car. With the aluminum head 430hp rating the shipping weight to hp factor is 8.49 and would be a natural A combo. Just saying it can be confusing.

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Actually. Luke filled out his tech card incorrectly...I believe he claimed the wrong year...Not quite sure the punishment fit the crime...Luke is one of the GOOD GUYs.....

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No, that's not the way it works. If you run the aluminum head, you have to carry the extra weight but you still run the same natural class.

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I know that. What I said is it can get confusing. I can understand how it could happen.

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Very, apparently.

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If you have a 67 GT500 you better have the correct info from the engine builder:D
Did I read the guide right?10 different hp rating depending on the parts you have installed, and one replacement head adds 37hp,close to the stock head in performance??
Who let Stock become the joke it is today?

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Carroll Shelby the notorious re-boxer

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Larry, don't you think that there's enough blame to go around to ALL of the manufacturers (Shelby is considered a manufacturer by the NHRA)? AND more than a couple of well-connected engine builders.

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Rods @ 2.200 instead of 2.437, crank, cam with more lift than the 427, Dove heads, 68 PI alum intake, 735 to 780, Carroll whored it all up

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Larry you forgot the special edition aluminum drive shaft. I saw it myself and had to ask. Funny thing back in 67 I don't think even the pro Stockers knew about them. BP

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Anyone more than me that think that option would be for all Bigblocks or none? :rolleyes:

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10 doesn't sound like to many, I counted 17 for the 396 '69 Camaro!
Don't pick on me until I get it finished, hopefully some day. I started from scratch which was a bad idea. If you want to know the combo I picked, it will be a natural A car and yes I'm using 2.200 rods from the approved list.

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who= NHRA That's who !!!!

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I've watched this transpire for a while now, and it finally looks like the racers have had enough. Based on what I saw in Division 3 recently, if your sh**s bogus you're gonna get called out. For good reason. Look for more of this throughout all divisions. If NHRA won't do it, look for their hand to get forced by the racers themselves.... It's our option !... If you're a honored one to be selected in a protest, tear it down and take the money, or pull your pants down …. This always has been a part of stk/ss racing! #itsnotbracketracing

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I've always said the single 4 barrel NASCAR HEMI in the classification guide is a farce. Bogus intake manifold and hood scoop. Have you ever seen a vintage photo of an actual NASCAR HEMI from 1964-65 with a hood scoop or a '66 HEMI Belvedere with a scoop, if so why didn't Jere Stahl have one?
I'm MoPar through and through but give me a break.

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Wrong carburetor also allowed on the 64/65 single 4 hemi !

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So.......who's gonna be the first to start the thread about what parts and specs we all know are bogus?

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Billy,
Tag you're it. The LD340 was your baby, albeit now abolished.

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How about 9.0 30-15 tires on cars that we couldn't fit a F60-15 under back in the day. LOL!

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Sorry Frank, I bi*ched about it but I can't take credit for it going away. A west coast Racer with a pedigree much better than mine pulled that one off.

But, ya know..... since we've been talking about rod journal sizes, didn't NHRA do some adjusting to the rotating weights (mass) inside the BB Mopars a few years ago? Something about them taking themselves apart and making a mess out of NHRA's racing surfaces? It seems that should be worth something other than longevity.

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Would we be talking about guys running 383 & 400 low blocks as a 440 because the current tech guys didn't know the visual exterior difference in blocks? As Marvin Gay sang "I Heard it through the Grapevine."

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Here is a "legal" replacement crank for a 350 SBC 2 piece rear main seal ..

It is manufactured by Callies and it is part number SAF113-CM..

Take a look because its been a while since we raced a SBC in Stock..

This crank has the flange turned down, all the rod journals drilled for lightening, profiled counterweight and it has been bull nosed..

How could this crank be a legal replacement???

I couldn't upload the pix, so just Google it for a pix...

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The barn burned down years ago and the horse has long since gone to the rendering plant.

Stock and Super Stock are still great classes. More cars in both now than in many years and growing. It is what it is.

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Those cars weren’t allowed in stock back then I guess. It’s only been about 15 years or less since the A990’s were allowed in. Same as the Tbolts. Where did the single 4bbl combo come from?

If you went down the line in the A/SA now in this age. There is something not right with every car in regards to original parts. Just the times. The guy with the replacement intake is complaining about a replacement carburetor. That guy is complaining about heads somebody gets to run. Need to enforce the rules evenly and correctly. Maybe the racers need to police themselves a bit. Allow protests once in a while

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I have a theory on how the nascar combo got accepted. The bodies in white were production pieces unlike the A990 cars. The factory may have shipped the bodies and single 4bbl motors to the teams but all the paper work went through a dealer making it appear as a production assembled car sold through a dealership.

If anyone knows for a fact I would like to hear the story.

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Ask the guy in bib overalls and western hat from Arkansas....he did it. J.H.

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Todd, ya know the nicest thing about racing my "Aardvarks"? Nobody makes any "replacement" parts at all. What ya see is what ya get.

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No,that's not it. I seem to recall NHRA lightening the piston/rod assy. weights to keep all of the 440+6 stuff from flying apart. I also seem to recall that right after that, they started staying together..... and going really fast.

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The A990 cars were more of a production car than the BIW Nascar stuff. The Roundy-Round stuff was shipped straight to Nichels Engineering in the early 60's, as they had the Chrysler contract to build that stuff up until Petty got it in 1970-71. Any contract team picked their stuff up from Nichels, non-contract teams purchased the stuff through Nichels. There were no dealers involved in any of the roundy-round stuff.

The '64 and '65 Hemi VIN's are known. There are NO factory "Nascar" motor cars. There were 110 '64 Dodge and Plymouth lightweights (55 each), and 70 '64 Dodge and Plymouth steel nose hardtops (35 each, with aluminum scoop ONLY, all other body panels were regular production steel, and they had a FOUR headlight grille) that had the RACE Hemi, with TWO-four barrels. The Hardtops had Carters, and the Sedan lightweights had Holleys.

The "restored" Nascar Hardtop floating around is the steel nose car Jim Hale was running around 1973-74...it acquired the Nascar items during its restoration...along with the story.

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Todd can correct me but “Paper Car, Do not Lean” is one neat piece of lettering on a NASCAR Hemi car.

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Any Pontiac V8 stocker is just about the same way. But we need replacement castings for SBC engines because they are hard to find. Lol

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Lol I have seen that before

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Thank you Steve. Very interesting. I did not know the steel and aluminium cars had different carbs. Always thought they all originally had carters and holleys later.

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The first few Sedans had Carters on them, with Chrysler shipping the Holleys later. Once the Carters were found to be the obstruction on the performance of the Hemi, the rest of the lightweight cars were produced with the Holleys. The Hardtop cars, which I should add were 440 trimmed Dodges, and Belvedere trimmed Plymouths, had the Carter's on them since these were intended to be a "street" car, and the Carter had a choke, unlike the Holley.

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Wow, quite a street car back in 64, safe to say it had no match.

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Had no idea they made 70 steel bodied hard tops. I thought it was way fewer. Have only seen photos until I saw one at the Winter Nationals. It had one carburetor and I thought it was not real.
For sure it would have been one wicked street car.

;)