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If I'm correct there were 180 car quota in Stock at last year's Indy, now it's 160 and on the 65th anniversary of the race. I guess it's less disappointing for the 32 cars that don't qualify rather than 52 cars. NHRA should realize that they are giving up $5000 in revenue and that's just for Stock, never mind SS for no real reason. There is plenty of parking in the past and I don't thing that they sold any property of the facility.
Casey Miles
Stock

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The decrease in quotas is most likely due to the added Top Dragster and Top Sportsman classes.

If memory serves me correct, the TD class filled in 48-72 hours after opening at grade point 8...

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It was 160 last year..Took 2 g.p.'s ..give or take at closing time

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Casey you do realize that you have to go REALLY FAST to even get into the field
Only 128 get in which means not you bro ...LOL
You need a playa to get into the BIG SHOW

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Anybody wanna take a guess at how many FS cars will qualify?

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Usually takes about 85-88 under to get in.

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Too f...in many. Indy is a Joke
FS cars rule ..cause that’s the rules now
Older cars are racing for 60 spots the other spots are RESERVED for the rich

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Last year 171 Stocker tried to qualify at Indy. There were around 33 Factory Stockers making first round of eliminations. That includes one FS car that got in as a alternate. There were 3 alternates that got to race, and the last one was .887 under.

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I'm planning on going as long as I can get in and out of my car, you only go once around in life, I'm trying to make the best of it. Doesn't matter to me if I get into the field or not, I'm there having fun. Really fast race car isn't in my vocabulary as long as they give HP back to combo's that are too soft.
Casey Miles
Stock

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Amazing 😳 Almost half full in stock

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Casey, I applaud your efforts for going to Indy. You are going there to have fun win, lose or draw. Sounds like a great Bucket List adventure. Good luck.

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Racing in the US Nationals has been something I’ve wanted to do since I was a little kid, watching my relatives race. This is the first year that I thought I might make it (really close). Good luck to all that are close. This is what I spent my money for!!

Wayne Stephenson
5221

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James Perrone Indy 2014 you went 95 under and qualified # 87. Now 5 years later I'm sure you are a little faster. But even if you have been lazy and haven't worked on your car that 95 under will still get you in. Stop complaining and come to Indy. You know you want to. Great place for you to get a sun tan. I will be there with my brother. We will cook you a cheeseburger!!!! And teach you the English language. BP

Update - Sorry James my brother says no cheeseburger for you.

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Can I have one? it sounds really good.

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Barry you are a very smart and capable man. But really do not think even you can teach James the English language we use!

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Can someone remind me why there is no AHFS at the biggest event of the year where it would be most warranted and actually do the job it is in place to do?

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Because in their mind, lottsa racers want to justify the $100k plus they spent on a NHRA stocker. However they do not want the hp on their combo to reflect time and money spent. They want to show everybody how fast they are but they want 25 hp in the bank. Go figger.

pS

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I was trying to figure out how to reply to that question but this pretty much sums it up!

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For it to really work wouldn't you have to use it at the most over entered event? Especially since there are already some kind "Mine shaft conditions" exemptions for air.

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The vast majority of my friends that actually attend Indy are in favor of the AHFS being suspended for Indy. That includes myself and I compete in a class where cars routinely out perform mine by two tenths.

In my opinion there has to be a venue to let all the cars run to their potential, and what better place than "the big go". It's not only fun to participate and watch it also provides fuel for a great deal of discussion on this forum. Lol

This may be a great example of NHRA listening to what their customers who attend Indy want.

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I think that the Gainesville class race should be all out also. Sometimes crazy fast air. Mike McMahan 2543 H/SA

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Barry, bring Joe D. with you this year.

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Bobby x 2,
Indy is The Big Go. The original and the best. Right in the middle of the country.It's always been about going fast!

The current system is all we have but leaves a lot to be desired.
Look at it this way. Every year we get more go-fast goodies.NHRA can't seem to leave their hands off Stock.
Cars go faster every year, but the indexes stay the same for decades.
Everyone here knows the AHFS is being manipulated.

Back to Indy:
They let in 160 cars, so it takes almost a second under to get in, which is an AHFS trigger. 1.20 under is an instant hit...So, you would have 128 or more, trying to qualify or win class at the biggest race of the year, yet trying to work the system at the same time , inside a two tenths window.

I agree with NHRA on this one, (which may sound strange to some of you).
I believe it's a great idea to suspend the charade and the joke for Indy

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You are correct about ONE thing. Its a JOKE !

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I think Indy still has the “hall pass” rule in effect, so no HP hits. Last big hit was Larry Hill with the Big Red Truck a few years ago.

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So the guys that have an " easy " combo can let it all hang out at Indy. No repercussion, no change in AHFS. Everyone else..... all well.... now they know how far behind they are and nothing will be done to close that gap. IMHA call it bs

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What was it that Captain Jack said years ago about the AHFS - an automatic system will never, ever work?

Put another way - if AHFS actually worked at Indy, would we still have 20+ cars at -1.20+ under and another 60+ at -1.00+ every year? The "mineshaft" rule didn't help either, because Indy always became a "mineshaft" even in 95+ degree air. So, everybody could already go -1.00+ without flagging their combo for more HP. What's the point?

The AHFS is almost worthless when there are so few reasons for someone to run it out the back door. Especially now, when NHRA publishes the "Slow Averages" every 3 months so everybody knows exactly how much to sandbag to avoid getting hit with HP.

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I took a big hit in 2012 too

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Bobby and the rest of you that think Indy should have the AHFS count. Stock and Super Stock used to be a performance based class. So the one National Event that you get to let it rip you want everyone to still play the AHFS game. We all know how to turn the distributor add more weight and oil. Why turn Indy back into that. You don't get the money we did at one time for a class win. So how many of us would run fast enough to set ourselves up for HP? Not I. The system needs work I think we can all agree on that.

Painter I was hoping to hear back from James. I haven't looked outside he probably has towed my truck.

Chuck we have no problem cooking for you. Love your entrance. Even my wife gave it a thumbs up.

Todd I called Joe twice looks like we will be holding the sign for Joe again this year. BP

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James Perrone,
Please go to Indy, you will be the man of the week and should report Live with your own eloquent take of the event.
Sincerely,
Your washed up keyboard whatever you call me friend,
Frank

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Okay, for the fans of AHFS at Indy, let's try this.
AHFS in affect.
You go there with your pretty fast 69 Camaro 2 dr. hardtop with the 350/255 combo in G/SA. There's at least one more with the identical combo (good chance) , plus a 75 Corvette, among others. You draw another 69 (good chance). He hops it up all the way, wears your azz out, and goes 1.22 under, for the instant hit. The Corvette ends up winning class. How does the AHFS help you to catch up to the Corvette some day?

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I tell you what I’d gladly take the afhs at Indy to not have it at all the other events we have meaning this is the only race we have to enjoy the fruits of our labor one out of how many events 65 or so this isn’t asking for much. Maybe it’s time to award performance instead of punishing people for it like going back to a pro ladder and giving the top 16 qualifiers 40 points for round 1 instead of 30 maybe this would get guys to run their stuff. No ahfs has brought excitement back to Indy class the way it should be!

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Jeff, I put a performance proposal to nhra twice in the last 3 years. I talked about qualifying points , record points, points for class wins etc. Nhra said no to everything both times. I was also told they took my proposal to the racers who said foe to “go pound sand” were not doing that. So nhra told me you’re own competitors don’t want any performance based money or points. So I quit, I said f this. It’s really too bad racers in s performance class just want to bracket race and nothing else.

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Who did they take the proposal to? I was never asked I know no one that was. Everyone has their own personal agenda I get it but those elected to represent us must vote the majority.

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Mark You are right. You must be talking to Papa Frank. Only one problem the 75 corvette is a natural I car will not fit G. H will be an interesting class at Indy this year. BP

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So I always hear how flawed the system is and we all know it is but the one time the AHFS would actually work nobody wants it to count. This is the race where all the fastest cars in the country will be at but let's not count it. The way I see it this would be the ultimate playing field to see how bad does someone want that Indy class trophy. I understand everyone wants to show how fast they are but for the most part everyone that races and looks at incremental times already knows who's fast to start with. This is the one race that the current system would work but nobody wants to use it because it's the one race where the vast majority of cars there need some correction.
Ed not trying to hurt your feelings but I doubt anyone from NHRA asked anyone anything about your proposal. I think it got filed in the trash because I don't know a soul that was asked their opinion. I liked it by the way!

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I have to disagree with you about the fastest cars, It's cars that have had HP, as much as 40 taken off their original factory rated HP, to bomb in the lower classes. I would agree that there are some people and combo's that have worked their tail's off to make their combo's fast. Lifters alone make a difference, the hydraulic lifters that came from the factory are now allowed solids with no HP added to the combo where as almost every solid lifter engine out of the factory are still carrying HP and then some. I've already heard it, that the solid lifters didn't help any combo, put OEM lifters back in the engines then we'll see if they helped!

Casey Miles
248H Stock

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Well said Cooter. You speak the TRUTH.
I don’t get it either.....
I have raced Indy when the 120 hit counted and when it didn’t
And we get what we have now..MULliGANs for the fastest under rated combos on earth!
And congrats to the 2 barrel..6 cylinder ..front wheel drive JUNK..Yes I said It!
#1 qualified car What a joke.

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I was lucky enough to Qualify #1 at Indy in 2008, and took HP for it. Would I do it again? Hell yes I would. But these days without the AHFS only the crazy soft combo's even have a remote chance. Does it affect the qualified field? No, but come on now 2 seconds under? That combo needs Hp added to it.

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I am not sure that the HP factors and indexes should be based off of the fastest car in the class in the best conditions especially because the fast cars are not always torn down and checked for compliance. Should be more of an average. There are always some racers that have an unlimited budget to race on so they have the opportunity for better parts and development. I think this plays into the reason that Indy is exempt from the AHFS. Similar to the mine shaft exemption. I am not fast enough to qualify at Indy. I have made the trip there on 2 occasions years ago. Its a great couple of weeks with Bowling Green and then Indy the week after. Just does not make sense to waste your money if you have no way of getting in the program. Right now I don't think there is a single car in the country running my combo that could make the cut.