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Gary Parker 08-05-2019 01:54 PM

how far under in stock at Indy to qualify
 
OK what's your best guess.
2018 - .889 under 2017 - .893 under 2016 - .893under 2015 - .870unde

my guess.899

Terry Cain 08-05-2019 02:11 PM

Re: how far under in stock at Indy to qualify
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Parker (Post 593939)
OK what's your best guess.
2018 - .889 under 2017 - .893 under 2016 - .893under 2015 - .870unde

my guess.899

my guess, .911 under and there will be 45 "new" FS cars making up stock eliminator.

Jim Bailey 08-05-2019 02:26 PM

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Lately, there seems to be some "renewed" enforcement by the NHRA Tech Dept.... Which is a good thing.... Look for the barn to become a center of activity at INDY. With that being said, after this years teardowns, the bump will be lower than the past couple years. My guess, look for something around .885 under.

Dave Casey 08-05-2019 02:59 PM

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I will go with - .905

Jim, I think those that go to Indy are ready for teardown. I hope there are more teardowns in NHRA, but don't think it will change much at Indy

Pistol Pete 08-05-2019 03:24 PM

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I’ll guess that the first alternate that gets in will be .882 under.
So that’s number 129 qualifier.

jmcarter 08-05-2019 03:25 PM

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Hopefully Mr Teuton chips in, otherwise this thread will be unnatural...and best I recall he always gets pretty close. In any case I think Terry is pretty close but do think the FS qualifiers will number closer to 50. I’m still ‘ciphering’ on the Super Stock number, probably more AH cars will get in against a 9.60 index.

Superfan1 08-05-2019 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 593951)
Hopefully Mr Teuton chips in, otherwise this thread will be unnatural...and best I recall he always gets pretty close. In any case I think Terry is pretty close but do think the FS qualifiers will number closer to 50. I’m still ‘ciphering’ on the Super Stock number, probably more AH cars will get in against a 9.60 index.

Definitely more SS/AH cars will get in against the 9.60 index; but, of those that do, how many will choose to run in Super Stock eliminations?

Dragrac419 08-05-2019 05:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry Cain (Post 593942)
my guess, .911 under and there will be 45 "new" FS cars making up stock eliminator.

Only 36 FS cars entered as of today.

I'm going to say -.910 to get in

Carguy49 08-05-2019 05:50 PM

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I am going to go with .900, but I have been wrong before.

Stephen & Horace Johnson 08-05-2019 05:50 PM

Re: how far under in stock at Indy to qualify
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfan1 (Post 593959)
Definitely more SS/AH cars will get in against the 9.60 index; but, of those that do, how many will choose to run in Super Stock eliminations?

we think alike..... I still don't see many running the eliminator

B Parker 08-05-2019 05:51 PM

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I'm going with Dave on this one. I think it's going to take at least .905 under. Take a good look at the cars that are entered. Not to many I can point at that can't go that fast. What ever it is I hope I'm one of them. I had two left feet last year. Still made it in but it wasn't pretty. I don't see Joe DeMarzo on the list!! BP




Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfan1 (Post 593959)
Definitely more SS/AH cars will get in


against the 9.60 index; but, of those that do, how many will choose to run in Super Stock eliminations?


jmcarter 08-05-2019 05:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfan1 (Post 593959)
Definitely more SS/AH cars will get in against the 9.60 index; but, of those that do, how many will choose to run in Super Stock eliminations?

Understand Bill, think the question is how far under is #128. With breakage, people getting tossed at the barn and the AH folks just there for the Hemi deal seems I recall #137 getting in but bears some research. Can bet Hemi guys like Comella, Howes, etc are there for the full meal deal.

Tim H 08-05-2019 07:30 PM

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.897 under

Mark Yacavone 08-05-2019 08:04 PM

Re: how far under in stock at Indy to qualify
 
Greatly depends on the weather there. The long range says slightly cooler than the norm. I'm going with .92 under. What the heck.

Brian Oakes 08-05-2019 09:23 PM

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i think 91 or 92 pending the air,and Hemi;s in SS, 9.60 index, 3/4 of all the hemi's should run 80 or 90 under that index, but again there is only a hand full that can make first rd. if they go rds in the shoot out. lol

GarysZ24 08-05-2019 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Carguy49 (Post 593961)
I am going to go with .900, but I have been wrong before.

I second that remark, as that was my first guess as well.

Superfan1 08-06-2019 05:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 593965)
Understand Bill, think the question is how far under is #128. With breakage, people getting tossed at the barn and the AH folks just there for the Hemi deal seems I recall #137 getting in but bears some research. Can bet Hemi guys like Comella, Howes, etc are there for the full meal deal.

#128 is .898 under.

Bob Bender 08-06-2019 06:08 PM

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9.11 under

rboyle 08-06-2019 07:49 PM

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I think -.904 under will be the bump but alternates 1-4 will also get in

HR9121 08-06-2019 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Bender (Post 594080)
9.11 under

Bob I don't think I can make that bump buddy I better withdrawal now!😂

Frank Castros 08-06-2019 08:48 PM

Re: how far under in stock at Indy to qualify
 
-.899

Larry Hill 08-07-2019 05:53 AM

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The first .887 under will be number 128 in stock.

X-TECH MAN 08-07-2019 08:36 AM

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I would guess about .98 under if enough under rated Computerized/late model FI cars show up !

novassdude 08-07-2019 03:03 PM

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I think it depends if NHRA announces ahead of time that they have files for their scanner to check all the heads in stock. That would bring the bump spot down in a hurry. But the way it works now each racer would show up with their lawyer (only guilty people show up with lawyers in my opinion) and NHRA would back down like always.

Since that won't happen I'll go -.857 for the bump. -.458 if by some chance NHRA brings the scanner

JHeath 08-07-2019 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by x-tech man (Post 594119)
i would guess about .98 under if enough under rated computerized/late model fi cars show up !

ouch !

Todd Bailey 08-09-2019 11:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by B Parker (Post 593963)
I'm going with Dave on this one. I think it's going to take at least .905 under. Take a good look at the cars that are entered. Not to many I can point at that can't go that fast. What ever it is I hope I'm one of them. I had two left feet last year. Still made it in but it wasn't pretty. I don't see Joe DeMarzo on the list!! BP

Keep working on Joe to make the trip, Barry.

Greg Barsamian 08-09-2019 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Bailey (Post 594267)
Keep working on Joe to make the trip, Barry.

If your packin "Montechristo" or "Romeo Juliet" Cigars, You might get "Smokin"Joe there!

farmco r/sa 08-10-2019 08:23 AM

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- .912

The Hawk 08-10-2019 12:03 PM

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-.842

Jeff Stout 08-15-2019 04:34 PM

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Anyone want to change their under index number. If the fear of new sheriff in town comes true I think some head changing will happen and average will be a little slower.

X-TECH MAN 08-15-2019 04:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 594620)
Anyone want to change their under index number. If the fear of new sheriff in town comes true I think some head changing will happen and average will be a little slower.

OK....-.885 under !

Jeff Stout 08-15-2019 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 594621)
OK....-.88 under !

Wow that's a big swing from your original guess. You think that much massaging going on?

The Hawk 08-15-2019 06:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 594620)
Anyone want to change their under index number. If the fear of new sheriff in town comes true I think some head changing will happen and average will be a little slower.

I'm good

Darrel Goheen 08-16-2019 12:45 AM

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128 -.896

X-TECH MAN 08-16-2019 09:50 AM

Re: how far under in stock at Indy to qualify
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 594624)
Wow that's a big swing from your original guess. You think that much massaging going on?

I would have to say YES !
I have done the same type of work on bracket heads in the past without blasting the heads with media to hide the work. It has always been worth approx. 3 tenths or a little more. The MPH always went up also. Certain brands of heads have seen an improvement of 4 to 5 tenths by correcting the OEM C.C.'s with the work.. The bracket racers in Maryland near Budds Creek used to think I could walk on water...LOL. Some of their stuff was pretty much junk to start with though. Its been about 12 years since I did any of that stuff. I got tired of my dinner tasting like cast iron, retired and moved to Fla. .
I also know it for a fact several guys are still doing it. I used to touch up (freshen up) the valve jobs on their heads and have seen what was done. I will NOT mention names because I do not want to start a war. Its not fun anymore at all !

gsa612 08-16-2019 10:20 AM

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I'll go 78.under for #128.This year could be interesting!. gsa612

Jeff Stout 08-16-2019 01:31 PM

Re: how far under in stock at Indy to qualify
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 594687)
I would have to say YES !
I have done the same type of work on bracket heads in the past without blasting the heads with media to hide the work. It has always been worth approx. 3 tenths or a little more. The MPH always went up also. Certain brands of heads have seen an improvement of 4 to 5 tenths by correcting the OEM C.C.'s with the work.. The bracket racers in Maryland near Budds Creek used to think I could walk on water...LOL. Some of their stuff was pretty much junk to start with though. Its been about 12 years since I did any of that stuff. I got tired of my dinner tasting like cast iron, retired and moved to Fla. .
I also know it for a fact several guys are still doing it. I used to touch up (freshen up) the valve jobs on their heads and have seen what was done. I will NOT mention names because I do not want to start a war. Its not fun anymore at all !

Thank you. I never knew it would have been as much as 4 to 5 tenths. I need to get out more often

Jerry Terry 08-16-2019 01:39 PM

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90 +

X-TECH MAN 08-16-2019 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 594710)
Thank you. I never knew it would have been as much as 4 to 5 tenths. I need to get out more often

It depends on the make and model of the head. Chevy not so much. 383/440 heads a lot. Just filling the heat riser on the 383/440 MOPAR was worth about 24 HP on the dyno. Filling the dual heat risers helped a lot on those type of heads like Pontiac.. Some Fords are not so great either. I have not looked at the newer FI stuff. Remember this was with the older cast iron heads.

Brett C 08-27-2019 07:36 PM

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Giving the weather we will have....it will be really close to -1. under to get in the Big Go this year.


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