Attention Nova 350/255 stock combo.
 

Does anyone know the Horsepower average? For 350/255 combo Nova
This weekend someA-hole banged the combo hard
On 2 Redlights. WTF. Combo may be toast.
Need to know

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Well Ponko, you could always make it a 300. If the 255 does get tagged, it will probably be the same factor as a 300.

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In one of last years averages released stats they show the 69 Camaro and Nova grouped together with the 255 engine. Not sure if this changed or not.

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Averaging the 7 runs makes it 10.934 for the day. That’s a -.916 average for the outing. This guy did NOTHING to the combo. LOL.

Now who is the A-hole?

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Billy Harper. Green nova. On. 2. Redlights. Omfg
And the shame of it it’s not a 1969 nova.
Billy Nees. if someone will sponsor the head change.
I will ruin it this weekend Lol

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The Novas are separate from the Camaros as per Pat C. Different platforms.

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James, mid year avg was .676

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Looks like only 6hp between the 300 and 255 on the nova

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James, if you get HP..... maybe you could change the front bumper cover...just sayin.
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You have to look at all the classes the combo fits in....and # of flagged runs >1 under.

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I was having issues getting it to load earlier
.785 in F
.676 in G
.774 in H
NO Flags that I saw.

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We are n the second half. Of review
Atco.1st flag. Same. Masshole Makes 7 runs at New England. 2 hits in fsa
91 average for the weekend in FSA.

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11.85 index runs 10.73 @ 110.96mph, hardly looks like he was pushing it.

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Making the 255 great again! Guess there is the 300/350 or 402 engines

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James, Billy says even with the HP he still will be able to go 1.20 under.

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Sorry to bust you James but the real problem is the AHFS. It needs to be updated. It's been the same for how many years? Most at Epping had extra weight in along with no timing and heavy on the oil. I only made one time shot. Let off at the 1000ft and got on the brakes and still went 9 under. The guy next to me had that same problem. It's sad a performance Class has turned into this. Maybe our Reps could address the AHFS this winter. By the way Billy is a great guy and let off on that run. Barry

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Maybe need to change the index’s again. Lower them possibly?

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Todd I suggested that before but a lot of others didn't want to discourage anyone that can just run the index. How about if we change the average to 1 under before the combo gets hit HP and 1.25 under before instant HP. How many this weekend will have to play the game at Maple Grove. BP

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Don’t do anything until after Indy of 2020 with the AFHS in place. We will see who knows there cars performance by running close to the line.

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Is that the new rumor? Any evidence of this being true?

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By at least 5 tenths !

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Open up the number of entries at national events and make it a top 64 qualified field. The ahfs will be quickly rectified.

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It was definitely a rumor, I heard it at the track. They were also supposed to be scanning heads so I take it all with a grain of salt.

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Apparently they scanned the factory stock showdown cars. Just what I heard anyway.

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Ths system will work much better and everyone can attend events. Step on it to play!

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I think by having 65 entries at every national race and take the quickest 48 cars would
work too.
You have to remember that some tracks don’t have the pit space and some tracks
have starting & finishing time curfews..

Barry Parker made some great points on people having to slow their stuff down when
it’s supposed to be a performance base class.
Maybe lowering All indexes by 2 tenths and have the trigger stay the same, racers
could run there cars all out without having to worry about getting a HP hit.

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Well, the trouble I see with just whacking the indexes is that as NHRA continues to "liberalize" the rules (through action or/and enforcement) certain combos (I'm guessing the majority) keep getting left further and further behind. If the Racers running these "good" combos don't want to keep getting hit with HP then SOMEBODY (NHRA or the Racers) should figure out a way to legitimately get HP help to combos that need it without having to request it only to get 1-2 HP at a time AND eliminate the "baggers".
I also believe that NHRA should stop with all of the different "body combos" factoring.

AAAAANNNNNDDDDD, if a Racer triggers an automatic hit OR a review, he comes apart.

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AAAAANNNNNDDDDD another thing that would straighten things out in a hurry, if you trigger a hit, then your engine is For Sale to the highest bidder, call it a Claimer, bring tools to take it out. Don't want to sell your engine? Go home for the rest of the year.
P.S., I didn't say I like this idea, I said that it would straighten things out in a hurry.

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Im confused about this thread. A engine combo goes fast enough to earn HP, and now people want to move index or trigger number? I thought this was a performance class and if a motor is fast and legal then it needs HP. I get it that it was uncalled for due to red light run or driver lifted and still triggered review,but come on if it needs HP it needs HP. I would be upset if my combo received HP but I knew the game when I started. Take the hit and move on.

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Barry the problem is the Masshole. Who runs his car like. A dumbas
On 2 redlights.
And I text him he tells me. Go work on your car. Really
Next comment is I have more power than you. Really
And you brother gets hosed by a corvette The Wrong Yesr?
And. Said Masshole. Car is a 1971.nova not a 1969.

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Got to stick my slow dumas nose in,,,WTF does the auto factoring system really do any way??? And for the cutting tenths off the index do to??? The system doesn't work,, period as far as making anything equal amungst classes. I know,,,go spend Thousands of $$$$$ to make my car go fast so I can stand around and tell everyone,,,"I got 6 quarts of oil,120 lbs in the trunk,got 18° timing and let off at half track.. I just don't get that rule....

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Well some on here say "work on your stuff", others say go fast but protect your combo, some say this is performance, but hold back anyway, some run it out and then get another combo, some are struggling to hit the index, while others want to lower it, some say it is class racing but then others want the quickest 64, some have extra cash some don't, some say if you can't handle the fire get out, but then they don't want to be burned by the same comment, while others call out others, and then some complain about AHFS, then we have the "run it out the back door and suck wind", and lest we not forget that NHRA can make a car really fast (FFFFord 302) or obsolete. Isn't it fun to know that you can be whacked in all kinds of different ways. So what is the answer. Deal with it. Soon you will be old and die, or maybe young and die, or just get a headache and complain. It is racing, have fun, or don't. Silly Humans.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA. they said it would be fun

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We’re rapidly approaching this thread getting nuked...suggest everyone run their combo as they see fit and let the chips fall where they may....

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Please don't nuke this thread!!! We have a serious issue in Stock Eliminator and it's the AHFS as to the limits that it puts on racers for working long and hard,unless your Barry Parker and have millions of $$$$,only to be penalized for making your combo run fast!!! And in the long run its the slower guys who will ultimately be penalized because of their budget.
Add 2 tenths and make 1.40 the limit,but only for you might get inspected for running that fast.Im sure 1.40 is attainable by quite a few and it would be fun watching you guys go that fast.

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Talk about smoking the tires across the finish line this would look like a forest fire!

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I hate to beat a dead horse but as I have said since the very first day “ the Automatic Help For Slugs cannot and will not ever work “ it takes a person to be able to look at SPECS and performance and decide if a combo is properly rated. Any system that allows us to manipulate the numbers (as was the purpose of this thread) simply cannot work ...

And I’m not that smart 😏

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I would add where class is run class winners and top qualifiers fill field, then run them off their index no breakout with ahfs.

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Here is my take on this, moving the indexes does nothing it moves it for ever one accomplishes nothing except make slow cars pick it up. Moving the triggers only helps the fast guys from getting hp and not letting the ahfs work at all. The biggest hinder on the ahfs is NHRA posting the spread sheet avg that helps everyone control the avg's. Lets go back to the root cause of the main problem factor the car right. Yes the ahfs does not work fast enough. When a car can get hit with hp 4 times and still be able to qualify #1 then some thing is wrong. So NHRA if you are listening quite giving info to the fast guys to help control the avg's, make the hp hits harder more then 3.25% at a time. I am sure i will get crap over this, this weekend at the races.

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If NHRA used 1/8th miles numbers WITHOUT telling anyone it would work.........

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Back on page 2 of this post when I said lower them by 5 tenths I meant lower the amount under the index by 5 tenths (to .70 under) instead of 1.20 under gets you automatic HP and a free trip to the tear down barn !