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Larry Hill 09-21-2019 04:42 PM

Stacking at St. Louis
 
Have yall gotten your email about stacking at St. Louis?

AAA Insurance NHRA Midwest Nationals Participants



There will be no early stacking allowed on property. Any sportsman racer arriving before 5 a.m. on Thursday, September 26th will be turned away and will need to find another location to park. There is a truck storage lot across the street behind the truck stop and other venues in the region to park.



As a reminder the parking/stacking schedule is as followed for Wednesday.

Sportsman Stacking will begin at 5:00 AM. Please use the gate at 1905 Collinsville Rd (near the DirtPlex).
Sportsman Parking will begin at 8:00 AM.
Parking will conclude at 5:00 PM.


Attached is a complete schedule for the upcoming event. We appreciate your cooperation.



Thank You

NHRA and World Wide Technology Raceway at Gateway

This is absolutely ridiculous!!

We are in Great Bend and had planned on getting to St. Louis and stack. Then do a little shopping and spend some money with them, but evidently they don't need our money! Seriously considering just going home from here and withdrawing. NHRA sure doesn't value their customers. Just arrive in time to give them our money and get nothing in return!

Patsy

Pete Lanciers 09-21-2019 10:12 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Patsy,

Sure seems “Penny wise, pound foolish” is all the rage everywhere one looks these days...

Peter

1320racer 09-22-2019 07:26 AM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
more complaining

Don Kennedy 09-22-2019 08:44 AM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 598128)
more complaining

I suspect me and a few racers coud solve the boondoggle of stacking race cars for NHRA at every race to make NHRA customers happy and really help them enjoy the racing experience. All it takes is some preplanning by Racers who know the area .NHRA Let me know and we can negotiate the stacking contract with us to help your issues with the most complaing issue about NHRA ever ,Call me I can put the plan together after we sign the contract I ain't cheap .lol 602-284-6240

1320racer 09-22-2019 08:52 AM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
stacking is the easy part, parking is the boondoggle and not due to the NHRA rather the first 50 racers or so into every event that save 150 spots for their friends.

Don Kennedy 09-22-2019 08:55 AM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
[QUOTE=1320racer;598134]stacking is the easy part, parking is the boondoggle and not due to the NHRA rather the first 50 racers or so into every event that save 150 spots for their friends.[/QU

I know how to solve that issue also by the way

1320racer 09-22-2019 08:55 AM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
I've already solved it when I roll in

Tom O 09-22-2019 07:35 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 598128)
more complaining

I'm a little slow,some may argue alot slow, but it seems to me I/they wouldn't complain if it wasn't legitimate& the "Mello Yellow" series would use a little common sense. Thank you Larry& Patsy for your coverage of the Great Bend points race.Happy you guys are back! T bonez.

1320racer 09-22-2019 08:02 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
there is nothing "legitimate" about this latest self serving complaint, it just that infringes on his plans.

Tar Heel 09-22-2019 10:06 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
As a former class racer, but one who still follows the sport closely, I no longer have a dog in the fight. Something always confuses me though. NHRA continues to pull this stuff and treat class racers like red-headed step-children, the racers complain (which they completely have the right to do) YET they continue to go back and support them. Quit and run NMCA. What would NHRA do if not one single class car showed up? Hard to take people's complaints seriously when they'll be at the next race continuing to take their crap. Just my 2 cents.

Rod Greene 09-23-2019 12:22 AM

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[QUOTE=1320racer;598166]there is nothing "legitimate" about this latest self serving complaint, it just that infringes on his plans.[/QUOTEh

I don't know you but I do know when you were on here all the time before you were an A**. Now that you are back it is even worse and from what I understand you are just a bracket racer. Take your sheet somewhere else.

1320racer 09-23-2019 06:35 AM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
there's that I think I'm special cause I'm a class racer attitude. News flash, you're a bracket racer every time you put a dial in on your window.:p

you don't know me so take your sheet somewhere else

Don Kennedy 09-23-2019 08:46 AM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 598180)
there's that I think I'm special cause I'm a class racer attitude. News flash, you're a bracket racer every time you put a dial in on your window.:p

you don't know me so take your sheet somewhere else

any customer of any business should be treated with respect and consideration after all the Customers pay the bills for any company, business, or a non-profit organization. I understand the issues from all sides and with a few racers as well as some businesses the stacking problem and pitting problem can be solved if they want it to

Mike Pearson 09-23-2019 08:57 AM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
One year they did the same thing at the Gatornationals a few years back before they started the Baby Gators thing. Would not let anyone stack at the track. To say the least it was a cluster. We had to hunt to find a place to park two 60+ foot rigs for two days. Then there was a big traffic jam at the track when everyone showed up at 6 am to get pitted. The track had personnel there so what is the big deal. Especially when they are coming directly from another race the weekend before. They actually paid a police officer to sit there and turn the racers away 24 hours a day. Probably would have been cheaper to pay someone to manage the stacking. Lets face it most of us know how it works.

ssracer3821 09-23-2019 09:54 AM

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We were at the Gators the year they sent us to Orlando and we stayed at a shopping center for a few days because the pits were flooded. Stacking and Tech used to be a shopping center near Trails when they had the Springnationals there. If they can't stack at the track maybe NHRA could at least make arrangements for a reasonable alternative.

X-TECH MAN 09-23-2019 10:30 AM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tar Heel (Post 598172)
As a former class racer, but one who still follows the sport closely, I no longer have a dog in the fight. Something always confuses me though. NHRA continues to pull this stuff and treat class racers like red-headed step-children, the racers complain (which they completely have the right to do) YET they continue to go back and support them. Quit and run NMCA. What would NHRA do if not one single class car showed up? Hard to take people's complaints seriously when they'll be at the next race continuing to take their crap. Just my 2 cents.

Problem is the small fact that the NMCA is part of NHRA now ! I don't know how MUCH they are together but they are.

1320racer 09-23-2019 10:50 AM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
my money is green and good everywhere and I assume yours is too. No one is forcing anyone to compete at an NHRA event. If you don't like how they stack, park, run the event or pay the winner/runner up and requirements to collect contingency sponsor money, stop the useless complaining and negative comments about everything NHRA and do us all a favor and quit going. You won't be missed!

Larry Hill 09-23-2019 11:01 AM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
1320 I think you would like being a class racer in S/SS when shoe polish is not needed.

sully3358 09-23-2019 11:01 AM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
There is a truck storage lot across the street behind the truck stop and other venues in the region to park.

Tar Heel 09-23-2019 11:27 AM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 598189)
Problem is the small fact that the NMCA is part of NHRA now ! I don't know how MUCH they are together but they are.

I did not realize that; thank you for the clarification. I stand corrected.

Well ... just do what we did; put mufflers and drag radials on the "race car", buy a lawn chair, and go grow with your significant other at car shows. Not much from our end to complain about there. A whole lot cheaper too!

Nmbr1GMfan 09-23-2019 12:22 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 598166)
there is nothing "legitimate" about this latest self serving complaint, it just that infringes on his plans.

Honestly, if this were one complaint about parking, that's exactly what it would be... 1 complaint, however it isn't. Every single one of these NHRA traveling road shows is a parking issue and it just makes sense to roll on to the next race rather than drive home just to turn around and leave, therefore NHRA and track owners should work to make some concessions for their customers. I called the owner of VMP to ask about going straight from the GALOT D2 race to VMP, they said they aren't allowed to park anyone in the track per NHRA but they would gladly get stacking going if any racers would like to show up early. I will also add that the owners at VMP are always willing to go the extra mile for any racer at any time... others, well, not so much.

Jim Kaekel 09-23-2019 12:48 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 598180)
there's that I think I'm special cause I'm a class racer attitude. News flash, you're a bracket racer every time you put a dial in on your window.:p
you don't know me so take your sheet somewhere else

1320racer Ed and his typical routine. Kind of makes me feel sorry for the people that have to work with him from 9 to 5.

Tom Goldman 09-23-2019 01:26 PM

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Sorry , I can't help it !

Larry Hill 09-23-2019 02:26 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Well we did away with the stacking problem! We drove on home last night right past the St. Louis track—687 miles. I tried to call St. Louis track, but no call back! Then I tried to call Division 3 office this the morning with no call back! I wanted to find out if after national event if ,when they relocate us to drag strip, we will be parked where we will be for the divisional or will we just stack and park later. The flyer doesn’t really say. But no answer! So I call the Galot race track where they are having a Division 2 points race this weekend and they answered the phone and my questions!! And sounded like they would be glad to see us! So we withdrew from the St. Louis debacle, where they didn’t want us anyway, and are going to Galot! Then the next weekend is Virginia for a divisional which said we can stack straight from Galot! Then on to Charlotte and Rockingham ! Looking forward to seeing our D2 friends!!

Patsy

Andys dad 09-23-2019 02:34 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Maybe its just me but if I had A 40FT motor home, a stacker trailer, two race cars and a nice home to return to - I find it hard to believe I would mind being inconvenienced occasionally.

But I don't - and I still would not waste my time being negative and not enjoying what I choose to do with my spare time.


Ron

sully3358 09-23-2019 02:45 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 598219)
Well we did away with the stacking problem! We drove on home last night right past the St. Louis track—687 miles. I tried to call St. Louis track, but no call back! Then I tried to call Division 3 office this the morning with no call back! I wanted to find out if after national event if ,when they relocate us to drag strip, we will be parked where we will be for the divisional or will we just stack and park later. The flyer doesn’t really say. But no answer! So I call the Galot race track where they are having a Division 2 points race this weekend and they answered the phone and my questions!! And sounded like they would be glad to see us! So we withdrew from the St. Louis debacle, where they didn’t want us anyway, and are going to Galot! Then the next weekend is Virginia for a divisional which said we can stack straight from Galot! Then on to Charlotte and Rockingham ! Looking forward to seeing our D2 friends!!

Patsy

Boy, you really showed them! Maybe next year they'll drop the quota to 45 just to let you know that they're listening and then kick everyone out of the facility after the national and have everyone come back 4 days later for the divisional...

If you want to be star of the show, NHRA sportsman racing just isn't the place to be. They are not hiding from this fact.

See everyone else at WWT Raceway this weekend...looking forward to a nice break from work and having some fun

HR9121 09-23-2019 03:07 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
I don't think anyone asked to be the star of the show sir just a little ****ing respect is all. They called and couldn't get no one to answer some simple questions so they have chose to go somewhere else where they feel a little more comfortable.
Glad you guys are coming to Galot and can't wait to see you and a slight feeling of relief knowing I don't have to do the reporting solo!!

Mike Pearson 09-23-2019 03:54 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
See both of you there. And Rockingham as well.

Shaun Vincent 09-23-2019 04:07 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 598219)
Well we did away with the stacking problem! We drove on home last night right past the St. Louis track—687 miles. I tried to call St. Louis track, but no call back! Then I tried to call Division 3 office this the morning with no call back! I wanted to find out if after national event if ,when they relocate us to drag strip, we will be parked where we will be for the divisional or will we just stack and park later. The flyer doesn’t really say. But no answer! So I call the Galot race track where they are having a Division 2 points race this weekend and they answered the phone and my questions!! And sounded like they would be glad to see us! So we withdrew from the St. Louis debacle, where they didn’t want us anyway, and are going to Galot! Then the next weekend is Virginia for a divisional which said we can stack straight from Galot! Then on to Charlotte and Rockingham ! Looking forward to seeing our D2 friends!!

Patsy

EVENT SCHEDULE
SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 29
Relocation of NHRA National Event sportsman participants to main pits . . . . . . . 7-9 p.m.
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 30
Relocation of NHRA National Event sportsman participants to main pits . 10 a.m.-12 p.m.

WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 2
Creds. & Prkg. for Lucas Oil Test & Tune participants . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1-7 p.m.
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 3
Final relocation of NHRA National Event participants . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 a.m.-12 p.m.
Credentials & Pit Parking . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 a.m.-9 p.m.
Tech Inspection . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12-5 p.m.
Track Operated Test & Tune . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1-7 p.m.
FRIDAY, OCTOBER 4
Credentials & Pit Parking . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 a.m.-8 p.m.
Tech Inspection . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 a.m.-5 p.m.
Spectator Gates Open . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 a.m.-9 p.m.
Time Trials & Qualifying . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 a.m.-8 p.m.
Top Dragster, Comp & Top Sportsman Qlfyng. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3 p.m. & 6 p.m.
Top Alcohol Funny Car and Dragster Qualifying . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 p.m.
SATURDAY, OCTOBER 5
Tech Inspection . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 a.m. - 10 a.m.
Spectator Gates Open . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 a.m.
Time Trials & Qualifying . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 a.m.
Sportsman Eliminations Rd 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11 a.m.
Top Alcohol Dragster and Funny Car Qlfyng . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .12 & 3 p.m.
Top Alcohol Dragster and Funny Car Rd 1 Eliminations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 p.m.
SUNDAY, OCTOBER 6
Spectator Gates Open . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 a.m.
Sportsman Eliminations Rd 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 a.m.
Top Alcohol Dragster & Funny Car Rd. 2 Elims . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11 a.m.
Complete Eliminations All Classes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11:30 a.ml

Larry Hill 09-23-2019 04:21 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
The way that reads is that the only ones who will be parked on Wed are the ones that are going to test and tune!!

Patsy

X-TECH MAN 09-23-2019 04:37 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 598192)
my money is green and good everywhere and I assume yours is too. No one is forcing anyone to compete at an NHRA event. If you don't like how they stack, park, run the event or pay the winner/runner up and requirements to collect contingency sponsor money, stop the useless complaining and negative comments about everything NHRA and do us all a favor and quit going. You won't be missed!

I pushed the wrong button, Sorry Larry and Patsy ! 1320.....You are a BUTT-HOLE !

Rat Raceway 09-23-2019 04:44 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
They stopped letting everyone stack at Bandimere Speedway (Dodge Mile High Nationals) 3 years ago. I bet you see this at every track (but Indy) in the next few years.

Rick Bailey 09-23-2019 05:35 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Larry and Patsy, if my old butt remembers correctly , that's what the track did last year ! T$T parking only on Wed ....... In other words $100.00 parking fee !

Rick

sully3358 09-23-2019 05:44 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Bailey (Post 598243)
Larry and Patsy, if my old butt remembers correctly , that's what the track did last year ! T$T parking only on Wed ....... In other words $100.00 parking fee !

Rick

I think you're right. But, I showed up Thursday morning and could park anywhere I wanted to. The place was still empty. If you weren't there by Thursday late afternoon though, that was a different story.

Lenny5160 09-23-2019 05:45 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rat Raceway (Post 598241)
They stopped letting everyone stack at Bandimere Speedway (Dodge Mile High Nationals) 3 years ago. I bet you see this at every track (but Indy) in the next few years.

What track wouldn't want to be a free campground while holding all of the liability should something occur?

Rick Bailey 09-23-2019 06:12 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sully3358 (Post 598244)
I think you're right. But, I showed up Thursday morning and could park anywhere I wanted to. The place was still empty. If you weren't there by Thursday late afternoon though, that was a different story.

sully, difference being ... this year there could be as many as 250 pitted by Tues.

Rick

MR DERBY CITY 09-23-2019 06:38 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny5160 (Post 598245)
What track wouldn't want to be a free campground while holding all of the liability should something occur?

Cmon Lenny, what is going to happen ? Why be CUSTOMER friendly ?? Just like the INDY parking fiasco of 2019 , no need to spend an extra day on wages to help expedite the parking .....it’s a recurring theme ...and it’s getting old !!!!! Larry Hill made a statement today ......

Crisco 09-23-2019 07:03 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 598189)
Problem is the small fact that the NMCA is part of NHRA now ! I don't know how MUCH they are together but they are.

NMCA is not affiliated with the NHRA in any way other than using some of their rule packages.

1320racer 09-23-2019 07:11 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
for the complainers that don't know what they are to the NHRA, racers are participants...

par·tic·i·pant

a person who takes part in something

not customers...

cus·tom·er

a person or organization that buys goods or services from a store or business.

savoyracer 09-23-2019 07:18 PM

Re: Stacking at St. Louis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 598254)
for the complainers that don't know what they are to the NHRA, racers are participants...

par·tic·i·pant

a person who takes part in something

not customers...

cus·tom·er

a person or organization that buys goods or services from a store or business.

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