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lca1971 11-13-2019 09:40 AM

If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
Which car would you build? I'm looking at the C5 Vette, Gen 5 Camaro, the new style Dodge Challenger or what? Knowing that the rear suspensions in these cars listed have to be changed over to straight axle. Any and all input is welcome, pos or neg!

Thanks in advanced... Chris

dartman 11-13-2019 10:09 AM

Re: If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lca1971 (Post 601639)
Which car would you build? I'm looking at the C5 Vette, Gen 5 Camaro, the new style Dodge Challenger or what? Knowing that the rear suspensions in these cars listed have to be changed over to straight axle. Any and all input is welcome, pos or neg!

Thanks in advanced... Chris

none, 83 camaro 305(buy a roller or a finsh car and then update it), cheaper and very competitive if I was a newbie.if cash is no problem then something newer(buy a roller or a finsh car and then update it)

Tom Goldman 11-13-2019 10:17 AM

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Regardless which one you choose , the rear suspension setup must meet the NHRA accepted design for these cars ,which means the 4 bar design and measurements that the original builders submitted to NHRA must be adhered to .
Also a wheelbarrow full of large denomination bills will make the build go smoothly .
In my opinion ,as an old guy, the Challenger is much easier to build and work around in ,due to its larger size.
Although ,there are kits now made for the Vette.

Don Kennedy 11-13-2019 10:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lca1971 (Post 601639)
Which car would you build? I'm looking at the C5 Vette, Gen 5 Camaro, the new style Dodge Challenger or what? Knowing that the rear suspensions in these cars listed have to be changed over to straight axle. Any and all input is welcome, pos or neg!

Thanks in advanced... Chris

If it were me I would not build a car but buy one already done .A racecar that will run under the index instantly>There are some good race cars for sale .By buying one now You can be competitive unless You want to build your own car and spend twice as much money getting it competitive or buy one and be competitive instantly.Tom Nolan has a stocker that is a rocket ship for sale in the Race cars for sale in this web site

HR9121 11-13-2019 10:28 AM

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I'd buy Dan Fletcher's COPO. Already tested and worked out, proven winner and at 85k much cheaper than what you're going to have in building one yourself.

DYER 11-13-2019 10:34 AM

Re: If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
buy my cobra jet has run 1.90 under index and Q #1 at this years us nationals just freshen and ready to go and only $55,000 call 309-523-3922

lca1971 11-13-2019 10:39 AM

Re: If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy (Post 601647)
If it were me I would not build a car but buy one already done .A racecar that will run under the index instantly>There are some good race cars for sale .

This is also an option.

cicero819 11-13-2019 12:33 PM

Re: If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
For anyone starting in Stock eliminator, my advice is buy a car already built, after you've earn enough experience racing and working on the car you will be able to answer the question yourself.Work and have fun at understanding the class.

RobbieRacer 11-13-2019 12:35 PM

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I built a new car, should have bought one that was done. Not sure I would do it again. But now I am having fun with my 79 Mustang U/SA

Glenn Briglio 11-13-2019 01:06 PM

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I've done both. Build a car from nothing and bought a complete running competitive car. Buying a car complete and competitive is way easier but not as fulfilling as building it yourself. As long as you have the time and money.But sure is nice being able to race immediately. Confused yet........lol

doglover44 11-13-2019 01:09 PM

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Is it easier to build a lower class car ?

Jeff Stout 11-13-2019 01:13 PM

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Built my Olds wagon and I had fun doing it. Runs under index and is way, way legal. Its also For Sale.

lca1971 11-13-2019 01:27 PM

Re: If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by doglover44 (Post 601674)
Is it easier to build a lower class car ?

It is for sure.

Billy Nees 11-13-2019 02:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by doglover44 (Post 601674)
Is it easier to build a lower class car ?

Yup.

Tim H 11-13-2019 03:05 PM

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Besides being easier, I would expect it would be less costly to build a slower/lower class car in many instances. Breakage in drivetrain less frequent as well.

Mike Gray 11-13-2019 03:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Glenn Briglio (Post 601672)
I've done both. Build a car from nothing and bought a complete running competitive car. Buying a car complete and competitive is way easier but not as fulfilling as building it yourself. As long as you have the time and money.But sure is nice being able to race immediately. Confused yet........lol

^^^^^^^ I'll add buy or build the car you want to have, not a compromise that you will loose interest in.

doglover44 11-13-2019 03:08 PM

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Id like a Super Stocker but thats out of my range

Andy Friar 11-13-2019 04:18 PM

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Chris, my first question is what do you want to do with the car? What is your build budget? Also then what is your skill level and mechanical aptitude? Do you want to win class at the US Nationals or even just the ~-.80 or more in the summer heat it takes to make the field? Just divisionals or nationals too, local S/SS series and local bracket racing or what mix?



It may be sacrilege on here to say you can have lots of fun, race a lot and make money sometimes too if you focus on making a consistent bracket raceable car first, then later maybe make it 'fast' for heads up stuff. I would be surprised if more than 10% of all NHRA elimination rounds a year are heads up. Buying an existing car is cheaper, but the cheaper the car, the more effort and money you will probably have to exert to make it 'right' for your tastes.





Quote:

Originally Posted by lca1971 (Post 601639)
Which car would you build? I'm looking at the C5 Vette, Gen 5 Camaro, the new style Dodge Challenger or what? Knowing that the rear suspensions in these cars listed have to be changed over to straight axle. Any and all input is welcome, pos or neg!

Thanks in advanced... Chris


Billy Nees 11-13-2019 05:03 PM

Re: If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Friar (Post 601691)
Chris, my first question is what do you want to do with the car? What is your build budget? Also then what is your skill level and mechanical aptitude? Do you want to win class at the US Nationals or even just the ~-.80 or more in the summer heat it takes to make the field? Just divisionals or nationals too, local S/SS series and local bracket racing or what mix?



It may be sacrilege on here to say you can have lots of fun, race a lot and make money sometimes too if you focus on making a consistent bracket raceable car first, then later maybe make it 'fast' for heads up stuff. I would be surprised if more than 10% of all NHRA elimination rounds a year are heads up. Buying an existing car is cheaper, but the cheaper the car, the more effort and money you will probably have to exert to make it 'right' for your tastes.

Now that right there is some pretty good advice. It takes knowledge, effort and money to build or maintain and race a Stocker. You can get by (maybe) if you have 2 of the 3 going for you. If you are dealing with none of the above, then I would suggest that you look for something else to do.

Larry Hill 11-13-2019 07:01 PM

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My truck is for sale. It is someone else is turn to be number one at the 70 th US Nationals.

B Parker 11-13-2019 07:49 PM

Re: If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lca1971 (Post 601639)
Which car would you build? I'm looking at the C5 Vette, Gen 5 Camaro, the new style Dodge Challenger or what? Knowing that the rear suspensions in these cars listed have to be changed over to straight axle. Any and all input is welcome, pos or neg!

Thanks in advanced... Chris

Before you stick the Stock needle in your arm I would buy a set of golf clubs and see how you are at that. Once the needle is in there is no known cure!! BP

james schaechter 11-13-2019 07:54 PM

Re: If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lca1971 (Post 601639)
Which car would you build? I'm looking at the C5 Vette, Gen 5 Camaro, the new style Dodge Challenger or what? Knowing that the rear suspensions in these cars listed have to be changed over to straight axle. Any and all input is welcome, pos or neg!

Thanks in advanced... Chris

I guess we have established the fact that you are ready to spend some money. I would call bill dyer up and buy his 352 stickshift CobraJet. It flies and doesn't eat parts.

rboyle 11-13-2019 08:05 PM

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Regardless of build it or buy one, I'd look for one that fit many different classes and engine combos and a body style you like or love.
You can then either change engine combos or year of car or class. Buy or build a brand you are familiar with to soften the learning curve too.

SDT1DYI 11-13-2019 08:48 PM

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My 2 cents, have a clear and honest understanding of your goals in racing. Is driving and winning races the most important part? If so, buy a complete car that's Legal and fast. If fiqureing can out how and what makes a car run 1 under the index is No 1 on your priority list, buy a good roller. Then buy a used starter motor from a top engine builder that will get you .5 under and wear it out getting your feet on the ground with Stock Racing. Then build the motor you want, as you will have a much better idea of what really works and equally important, what does NOT work.
Stocker racers are a great bunch, always helpfully if you ask correctly.

Steve Teeter Stk SS 6380/ 6283
Good Luck......

countrypuppy4865 11-13-2019 09:06 PM

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Camaro and challenger are easier to work on than the vette for sure. Both have many combinations can be run as FS or street version.

Dave Turner 11-13-2019 09:14 PM

Re: If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SDT1DYI (Post 601716)
My 2 cents, have a clear and honest understanding of your goals in racing. Is driving and winning races the most important part? If so, buy a complete car that's Legal and fast. If fiqureing can out how and what makes a car run 1 under the index is No 1 on your priority list, buy a good roller. Then buy a used starter motor from a top engine builder that will get you .5 under and wear it out getting your feet on the ground with Stock Racing. Then build the motor you want, as you will have a much better idea of what really works and equally important, what does NOT work.
Stocker racers are a great bunch, always helpfully if you ask correctly.

Steve Teeter Stk SS 6380/ 6283
Good Luck......

Very close to the path I chose; happy with the results to date and still have plenty of targets to hit before boredom sets in. :D

DexnBlair 11-13-2019 10:01 PM

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I am building mine. However, my reason for it is that I have been out of racing for years. My daughter is 13 now and has shown an interest in cars so this is going to be our project. I want her to understand and appreciate what goes into a car as well as a solid understanding so she is not ever taken advantage of. We are doing everything from the motor to the chassis to the body work, paint, etc.

lca1971 11-14-2019 09:21 AM

Re: If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Friar (Post 601691)
Chris, my first question is what do you want to do with the car? What is your build budget? Also then what is your skill level and mechanical aptitude? Do you want to win class at the US Nationals or even just the ~-.80 or more in the summer heat it takes to make the field? Just divisionals or nationals too, local S/SS series and local bracket racing or what mix?

With one kid that just graduated college and one that just started, its easier for me to build the car than buy one. Forking over 60-70k in one lump sum is not in the cards at the moment and that's not a COPO, CJ or a Drag Pack. you can add another 50+ from what I've seen. I set a goal to have it on the track in around a year, year and a half. Maybe sooner if things fall into place.

I'm a Aircraft Tech/Engineering Tech by trade. I've worked on and raced a small tire nitrous mustang for many years. Not fastest in the land but middle of the pack car. Wasn't willing to send every dime on the cars! I've learned that no matter how good you are. In heads up racing the guy with the deepest pockets will always have a better air pump, and you can only fight them off for soon long with hard work and brains! I'm sure its the same way in S/SS but it seems this is kept in check for the most part by the index's! Please correct me I'm wrong. I've been reading over all the rules and I've got a lot to learn! LOL

I want to run many different events, local. divisional, national and I would love to win class at Indy!!! As I'm sure a lot of guys and gals would!!! ;) One day... I'm kind of leaning towards a stick car. Have a friend that runs UMTR and he loves it! Less consistent, more work, but it looks like more fun!

As far as the car goes. It seems the Camaro has the better engine out of the box, over the Mopar. Are there any guys the run the new style Challenger in the slower classes? Has anyone taking a street car and made it in to a stocker or has everyone just bought a Drag Pack car? Really like the Challenger but it looks like the most work out of the bunch and I can't find any info on converting it to a straight axle rear suspension! (IF ANYONE HAS KNOWNLAGE ON THIS PLAESE PM ME!!!!) The corvette seems to like it will be the hardest to work on based on the size of the car. So, at this moment in time I'm leaning towards the Camaro. Will probably change 50 times before I pull the trigger.

Thanks for all the responses. Keep them coming. Chris

Billy Nees 11-14-2019 09:38 AM

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It seems to me after reading your "resume" that you'll fit in just fine. Have fun!

jmcarter 11-14-2019 11:14 AM

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Chris, if you have the least bit of interest in a Challenger you need to call Jeff Teuton...he is DA MAN. If he doesn’t have what you need he’ll know someone who does.

lca1971 11-14-2019 11:18 AM

Re: If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 601750)
It seems to me after reading your "resume" that you'll fit in just fine. Have fun!

Thank you. Hope to meet a lot of you guys and gals soon.

countrypuppy4865 11-14-2019 11:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lca1971 (Post 601757)
Thank you. Hope to meet a lot of you guys and gals soon.

Chris, you have a pm.

Bruce Fulper 11-14-2019 02:19 PM

Re: If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
Build an early Pontiac so I can build your engine. My 1962 Grand Prix is coming along nicely. www.PontiacEngines.com

Frank Castros 11-14-2019 05:54 PM

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How cool would it be to build a clone of the Ray Allen / Truppi-Kling / Briggs Chevrolet '70 Chevelle SS LS6 Convertible for A or B/SA? OMG!

ALMACK 11-15-2019 09:19 AM

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Buying one turn key ready to race seems to be the best way.
I got lucky and it worked for me

ALMACK 11-15-2019 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by doglover44 (Post 601687)
Id like a Super Stocker but thats out of my range

There was a Cadillac turn key Super Stocker ( GT car ) with trailer for sale at the August 2019 Bowling Green , KY division race. I think it was $ 25K with spare parts for everything.
Early 1990's Caddy I believe with a 425 Caddy engine

jmcarter 11-15-2019 09:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ALMACK (Post 601828)
There was a Cadillac turn key Super Stocker ( GT car ) with trailer for sale at the August 2019 Bowling Green , KY division race. I think it was $ 25K with spare parts for everything.
Early 1990's Caddy I believe with a 425 Caddy engine

That would be Ken Sharp selling his Eldorado, with all the spares he had that would be a good buy. You can go thru some of Warren’s D3 videos and see it run. I’d review the D3 events at Bowling Green and Norwalk, seem to remember Unk talking about the car.

GTOMayhem 11-15-2019 10:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 601676)
Built my Olds wagon and I had fun doing it. Runs under index and is way, way legal. Its also For Sale.


You have a PM.


Rick Thomason
GTOMayhem

GTOMayhem 11-15-2019 10:05 AM

Re: If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DexnBlair (Post 601728)
I am building mine. However, my reason for it is that I have been out of racing for years. My daughter is 13 now and has shown an interest in cars so this is going to be our project. I want her to understand and appreciate what goes into a car as well as a solid understanding so she is not ever taken advantage of. We are doing everything from the motor to the chassis to the body work, paint, etc.


With your daughter being 13, you should check with your local NHRA track about NHRA Jr Street. It allows 13-16 to race full size street cars against other kids. My son just finished his last year of eligibility and will join me in Sportsman next season and hopefully we will have a stocker together in the next couple of years.


Rick and Claude Thomason
GTOMayhem
2363

Andy Friar 11-15-2019 03:38 PM

Re: If you were a newbie to the Stock eliminator...
 
All good stuff Chris. You seem to know what you want and know how to get to it. I am also looking at a 5th gen Camaro, but for SS. A Stick car would be fun, but as you noted more work and less consistent. You know what you want. Just go for it and good luck! :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by lca1971 (Post 601747)
With one kid that just graduated college and one that just started, its easier for me to build the car than buy one. Forking over 60-70k in one lump sum is not in the cards at the moment and that's not a COPO, CJ or a Drag Pack. you can add another 50+ from what I've seen. I set a goal to have it on the track in around a year, year and a half. Maybe sooner if things fall into place.

I'm a Aircraft Tech/Engineering Tech by trade. I've worked on and raced a small tire nitrous mustang for many years. Not fastest in the land but middle of the pack car. Wasn't willing to send every dime on the cars! I've learned that no matter how good you are. In heads up racing the guy with the deepest pockets will always have a better air pump, and you can only fight them off for soon long with hard work and brains! I'm sure its the same way in S/SS but it seems this is kept in check for the most part by the index's! Please correct me I'm wrong. I've been reading over all the rules and I've got a lot to learn! LOL

I want to run many different events, local. divisional, national and I would love to win class at Indy!!! As I'm sure a lot of guys and gals would!!! ;) One day... I'm kind of leaning towards a stick car. Have a friend that runs UMTR and he loves it! Less consistent, more work, but it looks like more fun!

As far as the car goes. It seems the Camaro has the better engine out of the box, over the Mopar. Are there any guys the run the new style Challenger in the slower classes? Has anyone taking a street car and made it in to a stocker or has everyone just bought a Drag Pack car? Really like the Challenger but it looks like the most work out of the bunch and I can't find any info on converting it to a straight axle rear suspension! (IF ANYONE HAS KNOWNLAGE ON THIS PLAESE PM ME!!!!) The corvette seems to like it will be the hardest to work on based on the size of the car. So, at this moment in time I'm leaning towards the Camaro. Will probably change 50 times before I pull the trigger.

Thanks for all the responses. Keep them coming. Chris



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