What Stock rules would you change?
 

While keeping the basic premise of 'Stock' and not morphing into Super Stockers, what Stock rules would you like to see changed?

Think about things that would make the cars easier to build, certain areas less costly, allow for a bit more experimentation and make the cars safer.

OK, I'll start:
- Relax the rules on oil pans
- Allow spacers, etc. between the carb(s) and intake

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Those to me look exactly like Superstock mods.

I would freeze the rules and focus more on at least more random checks as noted elsewhere. The fact that a racer ran a bracket engine enough to qualify for the all stars shows the need for more enforcement.

Also, consider some hp changes outside of AHFS as needed.

I think the safety aspect revolves mainly around supercharged copo drag pack CJ cars. On the whole, I think the majority of stockers are very safe.

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roller lifters for all engines no more broke lifters or worn out camshafts less engine blow ups

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I would make everything legal. Everything. Guys could race fuel funny cars in Stock. No tech at all. Pit wherever you want. An award for the best wheel lock-up smoke at the finish line. Crossing the centerline actually earns championship points. Red-lights earn one "do-over". Blowers on cars that didn't come with a blower. Any car produced anywhere in the world legal for stock (e.g. Lada, Alfa-Romeo, Trabant, Saab, FIAT). Any engine in any chassis, including Briggs & Stratton. Any fuel allowed, including diesel and JP-7. Competitors can enter up to 5 cars at a single event. Burnouts across the starting line. Passengers/pets allowed. Fiberglass/carbon fiber anywhere. Hood scoops allowed. And then, of course, rationalize all of this with lower cost, better safety, more fan interest, and "it's going to happen over time, anyway, so let's just do it now".

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The slippery slope just became the 100 meter ski jump!

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Allow everyone to run an aluminum drive shaft.

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Allow Deep Staging!

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Makes since to me. Equals out the old with the new. Also, lockup converters. Again, equals out the old with the new.

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Roller cams and 5 speed transmissions, lets really equal out the fields.

Casey Miles
Stock

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Hi-Sounds like fun-Don't even look under the hood-Put whatever class ya want on the windshield.

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Allow pump 91 octane gas. Many low compression stocker engines will run on it and could be an important cost saving to many class racers.

Steve Teeter. Stk SS. 6380/6283

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Sure. Why stop there, though? I think that 55 Chevys should get the entire top end from the baby Caprice taxi 265..Computer and all.
While we're at it, it's not fair that the 55 cam only has .330 lift. It should get the .450 lift cam too....in the interest of fairness and equality ,of course.

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Allow 91 octane pump gas. Would save some a lot of expense that have low compression engines.

Steve Teeter. STK SS 6380/6283

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I'll order the pizza, this could get interesting !!!

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Bring back the pajama pants for all stockers under 135 mph. Comfort, fashion worth a good tenth in certain D-1 Novas

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Real tech inspections at every race
All run fields
random pairings
15HP off early combos
no air shifters

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I like relaxing the oil pan rule, carb spacers and 91 pump gas. The air the engine ingests still has to pass thru a stock carb and intake. Pump gas would be cheaper but might be harder to enforce. I ask the buyer at a oil & gas distributor what brand they used, his response was "whatever is cheapest", But I think that could be made to work. Roller lifters will make things easier but not cheaper, IMHO. They could make them stock lift roller cams. Yes stockers today are what Super stock was years ago but when have rules ever been rescinded? Yes its happened but its rare. These are race engines, we'll never "eliminate" breakage. We Can ease it though. I like qualified pairings. I get the idea behind lockup converters but I'm a No on this.

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UUUUUGGGGGHHHHH, 1973-4-5? (a little help here)
All of the Stockers became SSers and Stock Eliminator became "PURE" Stock.
Not really a fun time to have a Stocker.

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Seat belts have a five year life.

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True start.

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Do away with the whole ring spacer get up. Might need steel spacer in your diesel pistons but a unnecessary expense on a stocker. Roller lifters isn't going to make anyone notice a increase in there wealth either.

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That was 1972 when all that crap happened.

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Its almost THERE already ! Has been since around 1985 !

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personal indexes.....: if you spend like a comp car might as well race like one...

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Roll bar rule, by ET..Just like Joe Bracket Bomber...11.49 and faster

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Limit valve spring pressure. Maybe 120lbs seat, 300 lbs @ .500".

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Moving a front mounted battery to the trunk is a no brainer, simply from a safety stand point. -Al

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Maybe tear down #1 qualifiers when they're goofy fast?

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Best request yet ! I tried to get NHRA to set spring pressures at 150 lbs and 350 lbs open back in 1985. That's the same as a 426 street Hemi and a 440 6 pack if I remember right. It was like talking to a wall !

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Well that's an interesting idea. Do you really need much more seat pressure than this? Seems kind of wasteful on a lot of friction based valvetrain motors to run so much spring pressure...

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Working brake lights from a mandatory, non-bypassable switch. So we can see who is hitting the brakes and when. Plus it could eliminate line lock and launch control starts. Brake lights should be on when you start, and not on until AFTER you cross the stripe!

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First part of this idea would make fast cars have an advantage.

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Allow TruStart and crank triggers. Get rid of E-shift.

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Allow more non -Stock electronics?

Dis-allow non- Stock electronics?

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Allow the LT1 engines to toss that Opti Junk in the garbage where it belongs and either do CNP or a "normal" distributor. They are already allowed a crank trigger and aftermarket ECM's.

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Though I'm generally against anything turning a Stocker into a SS'er I would like to see Crank triggers allowed, especially now when more and more Cars/engines that have modern fuel/spark systems find the way into the mix of older cars it would be nice to at least be able to eliminate the irregular timing you often get with more normal setups going through timing chains(of more and more questionable quality) dist.gears etc.

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Mr Clean, You 're probably right. You can't win a thing with that irregular timing.

Oh, wait. Here's three different 305, 4bbl. Malibu wagons that won Divisionals this year, with irregular timing..How do you suppose that happened?

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1st round at pomona, 2 races trustart would have changed the outcome

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I don’t think you can draw conclusions from current races without really knowing more than what is on line. If tru start was in play, surely any racer would know that and adjust how they drive race etc.

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The non OEM lifters cost a bunch to survive the out of this world spring pressures !