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Who owned the record before What was the record How fast and what class was the new record When and where was new record set How long did you own it That should get some of the records off the wall to read the fine print. |
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I can't wait to see Billy chime in. He, Peter Noriega and my dad went back and forth in V/SA during the late 90's through early 00's until......
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i am 77 years old and wanted to set it one more time.
and when i was young the records where very important |
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I’ll start with the best story ... later I’ll tell ya second funny one ...
went to Orlando in December to set u/sa record McKay had it in the Buick. They really supported record runs then Carl owned it then so I made four runs at it came up .02 short . Later that night they ran a combo first round I’m under and breakout they call me back to scales. They used that run and an earlier as backup and I’m tearing down 😳 never knew you could set a record in a combo race 😂😂 Carl & division 2 rocked !!! |
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Actually Marty Buth was the first to break into the 11.90's at an NHRA event with a 4 cylinder Stocker.... ....6 seconds later my T-Bird was the first into the 11.80's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g1AG7E9QEU https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...d1&oe=5E9EA038 |
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Twenty years ago in 1999 I sat down and wrote what I called the"History Of Stock Car Records."
October 7,1961 was an important date in drag racing history. That date marked the first time that Stock Car National Drag Records were acknowledged and certified by the National Hot Rod Association. While the stock car classes were extremely popular at the local tracks and National events, NHRA had put off recognizing records of the Detroit iron. Wally Parks, who founded NHRA in the early 50's, wrote about stockers in his December 1955 Hot Rod Magazine editorial. His editorial said that the first National Championship Drag Races at Great Bend, Kansas produced only two legal Stock class winners out of the four Stock classes run. In one class the first, second, and third place cars were disqualified for illegal modifications. What was for other categories a record meet, almost became the end of class racing for the Stockers. But as the popularity of high performance stockers grew NHRA began to receive an ever increasing number of requests from racers, dragstrip promoters, race fans, and even Detroit big wigs to allow stock car records to be set. The 1961 "Experiment" as it was called by NHRA was conducted at York US 30 Drag-O-Way in York, Pennsylvania. The National Drags Certification Team, headed by W.E. "Farmer" Dismuke, was on hand to certify records set in Optional/Super Stock (O/SS was the forerunner of Factory Experimental), Super/Stock, and A/Stock stick and automatic classes. The experiment was a success. For the first time stock cars at the dragstrip could lay claim to recognition along side of the Dragsters, Altereds, and Gassers who got all the glory. Three cars set records that weekend. They are as follow: O/SS 13.34-106.64 '61 Chevy Biscayne 409 Dave Strickler York, PA A/S 14.15-101.12 '60 Chevy Conv 348 Robert Price Manchester, CT A/SA 14.54-96.25 '61 Pontiac Ventura 389 Ted S. Reynolds Millway, PA |
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1979 York US30 . Set the Z/S Record at 16.30 at 80.30. Only Z/S car in 1973. A few after that. Held it for 4 years (I think). In the 80s set W/S Records a few times at Suffolk Va.
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I haven't really paid any attention to the class records in a while. I was surprised when I looked earlier today and saw most SS classes were at minimums with no one holding the record. I guess like most things it has changed over the years. I set the record twice in my career way back in the early 80's. SS/J. Lasted about 6 months. Larry Pritchett took the record from me in his 69 302 Camaro. He was about 2 tenths quicker. That record stood for two years and then went back to a minimum as I remember. Not sure who grabbed it after that. Maybe Mike Pustelney in his Mustang.
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national records died when they didnt put them in national dragster anymore that one page of paper most have been a big savings !!
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I can remember when I couldn't wait to get to the mail box to get it now I don't miss it would rather get on Class Racer and read what's going on. Larry I'm 72 and did set a few records and enjoyed it now if I could only remember where I put them.
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Friday, November 5, 2004. Las Vegas Motor Speedway. I was driving Grandpa's 1965 Plymouth Belvedere in SS/BA. Earlier in the year, we had put the car in the 8's at Mission Raceway Park, but the record was (and had been...) held by John Armstrong in his Camaro (Brian Oakes' ride now...) and we weren't quick enough to outrun it.
But...fast forward to November and the record had reset to the SS/BA minimum. I ended up setting it at an 8.92 @ 146 on my first qualifying pass. It was a single because Gallina's Regal broke. I was .009 on the tree, too. The backup run was what made the story cool. To that point in my driving career, I'd never run next to Grandpa. He had set the SS/AH record that same morning. Our backup runs ended up being side-by-side and I've got the photo of us leaving together framed with my record certificate. He had an identical frame with his record certificate. Because he knew I was .009 on my first pass, he must have decided he was going to try and leave on me. I'll never forget seeing the timeslip. I looked at his side first and saw .006 and thought I'd had another good light, until I realized I was looking at the wrong lane. Looked over and I was .000. Old guy thought he was gonna steal one from me. It was bad enough I had to look at the back of the Barracuda driving away from me for 9 seconds! Can't forget E1 from that race either. I Forrest Gump'd my way to another .000 and ran .018 over. Only to lose to Robert Burgin by .0002. He was .005 and .013 over. I had the record for about 3 weeks. Wasn't long after that Armstrong went to Montgomery (I think...) and put the record down to an 8.83. |
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Set the I/SA record at Indy n/o in 2005 , Had to teardown for the second time in 4 weeks after doing it at the US Nationals. No problem here, its the way it should be. Travis just smiled and said I better get started ,when I tried to get out of it by saying the rtv wasnt dry from Indy. It was well worth it,one of my best moments racing. I dont know who reset the record but know that Mr Tueton ran almost 5 tenths quicker the next year. I guess I didnt have the right horse for the race. Still worth it . Rick. 11.32@115.81
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I have set two records in my life. The first one was an AHRA record at the 1971 Winternationals. We were runner up in SS, with a 1962 Ford Galaxie, 390, two fours, auto. The class was Formula 1 G/SA. 12.80 @ 110.00 mph. I was 20 years old.
I did not race between 1971 and 2017. I did go with friends sometimes so I tried to keep up. Second one was NHRA 46 years later. T/S Record was at a minimum. It was the first outing with the car after building it. Salt Lake City August 2017. The car didn’t pass fuel check first round do to a mix up with declaring what fuel type I was using. Rookie mistake. Drained all the fuel, put in some fresh C-12, all was good. I was really nervous about the tear down even though Gary McGlasson built the motor, I was new to the process. Passed without a problem. Quite a thrill. My car is not the fastest T/S car in North America but we have a lot of fun. Kelly |
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I just don't understand why Nat. Dragster cannot publish the current records at least 4 times a year |
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Part of the problem with setting records other than at an open is. Set the record on Sunday get HP on Monday. BP
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First record was at the very first Gainesville divisional in '69 in D/S. The last record was in '06 at SGMSP in D/FIA. Several in between but one of the most memorable was in '71, I set the O/S record at the Gainesville divisional at around 13.45 or so, tore down and was declared legal. Communication in those days was weak to say the least and little did I know that on the same day in BG Bruce Wilkinson was setting the O/S record at 13.40 or so. I received a record certificate but it never made ND which was a big deal back then.
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1972..We were headed to the World Finals at Amarillo (Joe Santangelo Sr. , and yours truly, as chief cook and bottle washer) We took the drivetrain out of Bob Johnson's 68 Chevy II (SS/JA), and slammed together a 67 Camaro convertible for SS/KA, where there record looked better for qualifying. When we got off I 40, the icicles on the street signs told us it was indeed the coldest spot in the lower 48 ! Back then, if you went under the record in qualifying, ET or MPH, you set the the record and went to tear down. Sure enough, we went over the MPH record. Across town to the Brake-O store, we went , along with NHRA tech. There was a guy in the stall next to us with a red CJ convertible. Can't remember his name..Bob something? Oh yeah..Bob Glidden. Of course a month later, Bob was at Ontario with his Pro Stock Pinto..You know the rest of the story there. Dave Boertman was using the brake lathe while he was there, taking advantage of the situation LOL. Many drag racing legends were in that garage that day, and also a couple of young guys from Connecticut, who left with a National Record in hand :-) |
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I just finished our N/SA Dodge 150 Truck a couple weeks before
the Winters. about 10 years ago. My good friend(Dave Whitnack) and chassis builder/Crew Chief had just lost his son in a motorcycle accident. We had him go to the open in Vegas with us a drive the new truck and set a National Record. My son and I have set them before and we thought it might help him to do it. The next week at the Winters....I drove it for the first time and I guess my foot was a bit heavier. I got about 20 or 30 ft. and broke all the right rear wheel studs of the axle and destroyed the Tree(And the Truck) and shut down the Winters! And now you know the rest of the story |
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1991 we and at least 20 or so more set 1/8 mile records at Ohio Valley. Inspection and verification was at an ambulance maintenance shop in Louisville miles from the track. No gps so we spent an hour trying to find the place.
Record C/SA was at minimum so it would be easy to set.......Wrong! See there was this Dick Simon guy in a 427 drop top Fairlane that had the same idea. I dont remember how it happened but we went down the track three times together, side by side. Those runs were the best, first run I was quicker and barely got there first. The cars were complete opposites, mine was quick down low the Ford was a freight-train on the big end. Second run the Ford was best in ET and Mph. Third and deciding round whoever went fastest would own the record. Nobody Iced, heck it was cold, but I did have this thing called a 2 step it was a few quicker but it made me way early. I went red and got out of the way, it was a good thing, the Ford crossed the center line just past the tree and ran head on into the wall. I saw it in my rear view mirror. Dick was ok but the car needed lots of parts and work. We got the record on the last run and set both ends. The Ford ran better MPH but you had to set the ET record first. My last run was fast enough to be quicker than the Fords second run. That was the year tech looked real close at the Qjets. Steve Haulman took his apart in tear down and did not run the same after reassemble. 10/5/91 C/SA 1/8 mile ET 6.88 MPH 97.69 1971 Cuda 440 6pack 385/390 3680 min wt. About as fast as a good K, L, M car now. |
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1970.....The only Nat'l Record my name is on and it took a good part of the year to do it. We had a previous car a couple years earlier and tried setting the record with that one as well but never got it.
For various reasons we were stopped from setting the H/S record at a few races even after running as much as 2+ tenths and 4+ mph better than the existing record. We were down to the last race of the year for us. Atco Sept. 1970 and our first run was way slow..... I had the timing set wrong.... We asked Ray Allen to drive our car since he rarely made any mistakes driving. He ran under by more than a tenth and we backed it up. Many records set that weekend Including Don Nicholson in Pro Stock at 9.60 and we were the last car torn down and ultimately got the record and it stood until some class break changes put Warren and Register's lower class record in over ours by .02 or .03 We were able to run under that record we set a few times but it was a lot tougher and probably should not have gone that fast. It seemed easy for many to set records but it was a real struggle for me and my then partner. I do not even have a copy of that record sheet......I lost it.... |
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I decided to set my first record at the Belle Rose national open in 2016 after noticing SS/MA had gone back to a minimum. I knew several guys were faster than me, so my goal was to set it low enough to make them have to put in a little effort to get around me if they wanted it. That didn't happen. Every run was a different problem and the car never made a full pass, so I only went 11.00(.85 under).
Here's the fun part. The open was run in one day, so after qualifying the motor was sealed and we into eliminations with teardown after the race. After a couple rounds I'm down to six cars, leave the starting line and look up to see my win light on sending me to the semis. I gave a quick fist pump and BANG, #7 piston rod came out the side of the block. With a hole in the block and unknown damage inside it, we decided it has to come apart anyway so lets take it to the barn and see if it has enough good pieces to pass for the record. We started teardown before they finished cleaning the oil I put on the track. Somehow, one cylinder didn't have bent valves and the crank was still intact enough so everything could be checked. We left that night with a disappointing record and no motor, but getting that certificate in the mail was like Christmas morning. |
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I'll make this short. In the 55 years of NHRA racing I've set over 20 records in S/SS. The quickest tear downs were with my SS/BX Buick where a quick look over and a cube pump test took about 20 minutes. Set record 4 times that year,lol. My last record was the only profitable one, 2 years ago I set a record with my Dragpack along with Dennis Breeden with his, and we got paid $500 each from Dodge. Dodge has quit that program now and I have no desire to set anymore records......I'm just going to enjoy racing while I can. My fellow racers are the greatest friends a person could ask for, thanks for all the good tmes!
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Growing up and watching NHRA drag racing it always seemed prestigious to set the record, after all you were the quickest in that class. The GT/TB record was open and although I didn't run very quick I set it at Maple Grove and went through the tear down first hand. Couple weeks later it got bettered. I kept working on my stuff and set the GT/TA record at 9.69 @ 135 MPH+. that stood for two years. Deja Vu I now have the SS/AS record and hope to improve it,(before the west coast hitters) this coming season.
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The only record that I can honestly remember setting was the HF/SA record in the Sunbird from H&ll. It was early in the year at Delmar and there were loads of cars there just to set records (it was FAST!). I went out for my first run and just nudged the record a couple of hundredths. The "then current record holder" was there without his car and came over and congratulated me and told me that he would get the record back as soon as he got his car back together. Knowing that, I went out for my backup pass and went a few tenths quicker. As it turned out, I went too fast to use my first run as a backup and was going to have to make a third pass to use as the backup. The "then current record holder" comes back over while I'm waiting in the lanes and tells me that he'll still get his record back but he'll probably have to "blow up his stuff" to do it. Third pass, I went over 1/2 a second under the existing record, scaled and fuel checked and stopped on the return road to show the "then current record holder" the timeslip and ask him if he thought that he could go faster than that, he said no.
After the third run, I went to teardown where there must have been over a dozen cars tearing down before me. I started taking the car apart and was told by one of the Tech Inspectors,"Billy, go get some dinner or take a nap because we're not doing you until last because we don't even know how to check that thing". I got done at after 2 the next morning. HF/SA was a fun class. It's too bad that NHRA decided that it wasn't worth having around anymore. |
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Epping used to have its own track records. I had to teardown for Ken Barrett. He remarked that he was surprised at how legal I was. lol
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But you are right. National record cost more than they are worth. |
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Some Local tracks honored that and I can recall getting our entry back at a WCS race at Sanair. Pre entry was required. |
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I set the National record in F/S in 1974,75 and I think 77, but it might be 1979. I had one of the fastest 69 Z/28's in the country, now I think I have the slowest. Go figure!
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Have done this once or twice now, memorable ones were in Kentucky first outing with the Mustang ever! Eighth was a minimum, so why not try? We did and had a fabulous time. Two weeks later went to Indy Fall Classic and set the 1/4 Records, made a bunch of friends in the "barn" even though I really didn't have as much work to do as the others I hung around and chatted with them all. It was like the coolest place on earth. Everybody was happy and we were all there for a common goal confirmation that our stuff was fast and right! Met Ernie Neal, didn't understand his fascination until he told me of his years in SS/CS have been good friends ever since. To say that setting a record is intoxicating is an understatement, I have since encouraged many who thought they "should" to "do it" if you don't try you will never know! My absolute best was driving to Atco for one reason, drove all night alone, slept at the gate. Got in unloaded the car, teched and prepped the car, waited for some cars to make some passes. I think I made a pass at 1:30 and 3:30 to that end the fastest I had ever been, best sixty foot and on and on. Dave sealed the car and said come back in the morning to pump. I passed the tech/inspection, handshakes and a quick scribble map and I was on my way home. The nine hour drive home felt like ninety minutes, the phone calls and banter with all the friends who could not come with me. At the border I was asked if I had anything to declare and of course I said " I am an NHRA record holder!" Guard looked at me with the "what on earth are you talking about" stare and said have a nice day he probably thought I was the loon. Got home late friday night, and decided to take the car to a local Dragstrip Memories car show Saturday, still dirty still had the R on the window I was wiped out but you could not take the smile off my face! Records matter, and I rue the day that they no longer matter!
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I have a couple of National Record stories.First is a Record setting story.Second is a attempt story.Back in June 1978 I took my 71 Buick 455 G/SA Buick to Bunker Hill Indiana to a National Open where National records could be set.Neat little track with a lot of History. Track is still open today. If I remember correctly the scales were across the street at a defunct circle track,and speaking of the scales they were racer friendly to the tune of about 75 pounds.LOL That helped me set my first National Record at 7.82 88.14 MPH..The second story doesn't go so good.Had borrowed my buddy Bobby Dee Myers 1971 Buick Sport wagon to race at the Edgewater Ohio NHRA points race.It was real fast there so I called him and asked if I should attempt to set the record.He said "go ahead, but the new cam is real close on lift". We ran quick enough to get the record,and tear down would be after the first round of eliminations on Saturday night.That's when things started down hill. I had a heads up with a slower O/SA, car but got beat with a bad light. So we went to the onsite tear down barn and a friend I had with me started to tear the engine down and loosened up the fuel line enough to drain some fuel on the intake, then promptly arced a wrench against the + cable on the alternator.We hadn't been there 2 minutes and we had the borrowed car on fire.LOL Luckily there was a fire extinguisher near by. Long story short the cam didn't check and the record attempt was denied. Just another bad racing weekend that most every racer has.LOL
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We used to get points for setting records. Of course, we ran off the records then, no dialing. If we bumped our own ET record, we got 100 points. Winning a round at a points race was 100. Setting the MPH record held by someone else was also 100. Taking the ET record from another person was 200, like winning two rounds of eliminations.
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