Who has the fastest,quickest Pontiac
 

Who is the racer who is the fastest and quickest with a traditional Pontiac Super Stocker and the fastest and quickest Pontiac Stocker and the fastest and quickest Pontiac GT ???

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I'll take a stab at that.

I don't usually pay any attention to the speed. But as for lowest ET:

Traditional SS is J.B. Clegg's SD455. Close to the mid 9's. Ran a pair of 9.62's at this race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

Stocker is definitely Scott Burton's '70 Formy, even tho it's no longer in this country. Dipped into the 9's at a T&T, & I think it has run some 10-teens in competition. But, it may take me a while to find a link to those. But I'll be lookin. In the mag article, I think he said he'd run a 10.17 @ 128. Don't think any other Pontiac Stocker has come close to that. Don't know what John Schole ran, when he had the RAIV engine.

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hppp-...tiac-firebird/

He ran a 10.195 @ 128.89, in class, at Indy 2015.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

In GT, if a Cobalt body is OK, Robert Cruzen has run some 8's. Turned an 8.900, for a GT/AA class win at Indy.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

If any are quicker, I'm not aware of it.

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John Clegg

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Big Chief. Car fits in GT/EA just fine

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I'm old & out of the loop. But that's a joke, right ? There's no LOL or smiley face after it.

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Don't think John ever went as quick as J.B.

And the 3rd gen Bird he has been running for several years does not have Pontiac power.

I think most of the Pontiac guys, who haven't already seen it, will enjoy some of these videos.

http://missiongarage.com/photos.htm

Is an SS/AM car considered a "...traditional Pontiac Super Stocker..." ?

http://missiongarage.com/team.htm

Jim Clark ran an 8.581, at this race. I saw his engine listed as a 439 Pontiac on one pre-entry list.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Ran 8.574 at this race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop

So, if SS/AM cars are allowed in this deal, then they'll run quicker than reg SS class Pontiacs. I assume they can run any carb, or maybe 2. I think this class took the place of the old Modified Production class. But a lot of you guys know more about it than me.

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Yes a joke.I have allot or sarcasm. LOL

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Did Pontiac ever make the Ram Air V?

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The only run that I know of for sure happened at Seattle in 2017. It was in the first round of the bracket portion of the Divisional race in Aug. of 2017. Scott dialed 10.00 and went 9.989 @129.77. It is on DRC for that event.

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Hey, you guys are a riot.

For any who don't like Pontiacs & don't wanna read anything about 'em, just don't read the Pontiac threads & posts.

But, just if by chance there is somebody here who don't know, yes, Pontiac built some RA5 engines. Supposedly, none were sold in cars. I think some were sold over the counter. And some went out the back door, to serious racers.

There are guys on some Pontiac forums who have some RA5 parts in their street cars.

The ports on the heads were too big for the cubic inch engines they were put on. Might have done better on a good 455.

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...that-never-was

http://carguychronicles.com/2018/05/...ram-air-v-gto/

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/articl...tiac-firebird/

Again, for those who don't know, there are now alum heads patterned after the RA5 heads.

Well hey, that's far more RA5 info than most here care to see.

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Thanks for that !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop

72 Scott Burton
0.028 9.989 129.77
Dial: 10.00 (+/-): -0.011

Also noticed that Pontiac racer Ryan Warter won that bracket ! :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop

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So, Don K., does your "... traditional Pontiac Super Stocker..." include the SS/AM class ?

I'm just assuming it don't. I figure you mean those bodies that came with a Pontiac engine, and using a Q-jet if that's what came on the engine, and either the correct original heads, or NHRA legal replacements.

But hey, I could be wrong.

Happy New Year, ya'll ! :)

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Fastest, quickest Pontiac...... et on the timeslip or under the index?

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Rick, I assume he means ET.

I don't think you could really determine who's the farthest under the index. There are lots of cars that can go more than a sec under. But, as all here know, most don't want any hp added to their combo, so they sandbag.

Not many would want to make their car less competitive.

But I AM still interested in the SS/AM deal. For you guys who know, what are the basic rules, which allow them to go quicker than a regular SS or GT car, with a similar engine. Sorry for the infantile question, but I don't have a rule book, & haven't found the answers online.

Here's all I've found online, so far.

" SS/AM 7.50-8.49 pounds per cid '

So, if it's like the old MP class, the small cube high rpm engine has the best chance to be competitive. I still remember seeing/hearing those 283 or? sbc MP engines screaming, right before they popped the clutch, then all the way down the track. I assume they were turning 8000 or more, even back then.

Those cars had tall tunnel rams with 2 Holleys.

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I believe J B Clegg, who you mention, held the record for a time. I thought I read it was a B/A type Comp motor. I assume it had "Pontiac" heads on a BBC platform... Is that correct? If so, I think you have to stop at Super Stock, strictly speaking.
Happy New Year
MJ

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Quickest and fastest not necessarily under the index

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Well, if the SS/AM class is NOT included, I still say that J.B. & John Clegg's SD455 stick cars are the quickest. They've run both the '73 that John bought new, and the '74, that's supposed to be the old H-O car. They restored the '73 a while back to make the '18 US Nats. Don't know if they used the engine out of the '74, or built a new one.

Here again is a link to a race where J.B. ran back-to-back 9.62's, in SS/I trim. Don't know of a reg Pontiac SS car that's gone quicker.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

The old '69 RAIV Angeles & McCarthy Bird that Keri still drives, ran high 9's. But, I don't know of another reg SS Pontiac that will get as deep into the 9's as the Cleggs' cars. And, they switched over to GT, with the '69 Bird. So, it's not in the running here.

If there is one, or some, quicker than the Cleggs' SD455 Birds, I'd like to know about 'em.

I just looked thru my pics of currently active SS Pontiacs, and believe it or not, the 350 powered cars of Bill Rink & Mike Morgan are, I think, the next quickest to the Clegg car. I know that don't sound right. I think both cars have been below 10.50. How many other currently active SS Pontiacs do ya'll know that run low 10's or quicker ? I suppose that some of the Pontiac Stockers can actually run quicker than most of the SS Pontiacs. I suppose that Pontiac SS guys with the money to spend have switched over to GT, and many of the others are fairly low buck racers, who are content to just go quick enuff to run the index, in hot weather.

With all the Pontiac stockers that can now run real low 10's, I've often wondered how much quicker they'd be, with SS mods added. For example: Scott Burton's '70 RAIV Bird Stocker ran some 10-teens, & even a 9.98 at a bracket race. So, how much quicker could it be as a big tire, 1st class SS car ? Couldn't you likely gain more than half a sec, with all the SS upgrades ?

Seems to me that Bill Rink gained closer to a sec, when he switched his '74 GTO over to SS. But, I suppose the small cam, low compression engines can gain more, when switching. I'm sure that some of you guys have done it & know how it works.

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Rinks car is a rocket ship with lots in the bag left

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I`m not saying it shouldn`t be included, just not sure how much Pontiac we are talking about. Needs clarification
MJ

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OK, I'm not familiar with any of the "Pontiac" SS/AM cars.

So, are you saying that none of these cars are running a traditional Pontiac block nor the aftermarket Pontiac block, but instead are running some sort of BBC or other aftermarket type block ?

If that is the case, then there's no way to include them under the heading of a "...traditional Pontiac Super Stocker...", IMO.

To me, "traditional" means that you run an engine that was available in the body you're using. Then you either use the correct heads for claimed engine, or legal replacement heads. And you use the same size & type carb that the engine came with. So, for most '67-up Pontiacs, that would be either a 750 or an 800 Q-jet. Many older models had either an AFB or Tri-power. So, for most Pontiacs, if you put a Holley type carb on it, the car is no longer a traditional SS car, IMO.

I could be wrong. Opinions differ.

PS: As is probably the case with other brands, you can now build a complete "Pontiac" engine, without using a single part that was made or sold by GM. We have aftermarket everything. The alum head 428 SS engine is one example of that. You CAN run a GM Q-jet, or you can run an Edelbrock Q-jet. But all you class racers know that.

At least the car bodies still look the same as when produced, unlike the way Pro-Stock evolved into something that looks nothing like a real car. Remember the real Camaro bodies the early Pro-Stock guys ran ? Same with NASCAR. It was cool to see race cars that looked like real street cars.

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I agree, Pontiac means Pontiac not BBC