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gmonde 02-24-2020 08:38 PM

timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
so my snap on timing light of 20 years lost the magnet in the pick up during my dyno session(of coarse the biggest day of the winter) and replacement parts are not available
so what are you guys using for timing lights with advance ???,,also has to work with the msd digital 6al

bykr 02-24-2020 09:36 PM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
I always thought your not supposed to use the advance timing lights on MSD stuff.

Lee Valentine 02-25-2020 07:46 AM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
Advance timing lights are a no-no.

richie 2 02-25-2020 08:02 AM

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pld school straight up units...

Billy Nees 02-25-2020 08:23 AM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
I've used a Snap-on advance timing light for all of the years that I've been racing with almost every type of MSD ignition system. I haven't had any problems.

Hacksaw 02-25-2020 09:51 AM

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I never use timing lights with an advance feature, don't trust them. I like the self battery powered units. Simple.

Glenn Briglio 02-25-2020 01:13 PM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 608773)
I've used a Snap-on advance timing light for all of the years that I've been racing with almost every type of MSD ignition system. I haven't had any problems.

Didn't know they had timing lights during stone age.......lol

CMcAllister 02-25-2020 02:29 PM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
Adjustable advance timing lights are not recommended for use on MSD ignitions. Plenty of information/confirmation out there with a little Goggleing.

MSD sells their own light, both 12v and self powered - or - you can try to find an old Ferret/MSD non-adjustable light - or - you can pick up a mint or NOS Sears/Penske 2138 light, this was sold relabeled by MSD years ago under part #8990. This is what I've used for decades. They are out there.

I've seen people say they've had good results with some of the self-powered lights (Flaming River, etc) available as well, but have no personal experience with them.

cmracing 02-25-2020 04:05 PM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
Whatever happened to increasing the timing until it showed on the timeslip no gain or you're going slower? Who really cares about the actual number? Get it to crank, idle, and go down the track.

A cheap Sears light or similar to get it fired and close and then tune it.......

If you can't afford a good damper (balancer) then put the timing tape on there. I don't own a dial-back light, never have.

Billy Nees 02-25-2020 05:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Glenn Briglio (Post 608787)
Didn't know they had timing lights during stone age.......lol

Ya know, I know a guy who used to run comp cars and gassers WAAAAY back in the day (he's well into his 80s) and he set his timing by lining up his timing mark on the balance at the timing that he wanted, turning the ignition on and moving the distributor until the points (remember them?) sparked. After that, he would move the distributor back-and-forth until the ET slip was happy.

Jeff Niceswanger 02-25-2020 05:35 PM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 608773)
I've used a Snap-on advance timing light for all of the years that I've been racing with almost every type of MSD ignition system. I haven't had any problems.

I recently used my old trusty 40 year old chrome steel case, non advance, Craftsman, against one of MSD's new battery powered units. Many times racers have came and borrowed my timing light because of its old relic status. I was surprised the MSD was brighter, and actually steadier, than mine. The new 8mm wires and the old lights don't like each other, as its hard to get the clamp to close tight. I have used wire ties sometimes to get them snug and functioning right.


MSD Ignition Self-Powered Timing Light
Part Number: 121-8991

buzzinhalfdozen 02-25-2020 05:40 PM

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From my personal experience, the digital type advance timing lights are the ones I've seen problems with. I have a decades old MAC, dial type advance light I've used with no issues on MSD ignition systems. Still have an old non advance light that I'll occasionally throw on just to verify. Friend of mine had a Snap-on digital advance timing light he used and was having some issues with his engine not running correctly, he asked me one day to borrow my timing light, his timing was off over 20 degrees. He set his timing and took that light out of his trailer.

Bob Mulry 02-25-2020 05:42 PM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 608795)
Ya know, I know a guy who used to run comp cars and gassers WAAAAY back in the day (he's well into his 80s) and he set his timing by lining up his timing mark on the balance at the timing that he wanted, turning the ignition on and moving the distributor until the points (remember them?) sparked. After that, he would move the distributor back-and-forth until the ET slip was happy.

I've been static timing engines like that for 60 years, except I use the timing light with the trigger held down and turned the distributor until it flashed. Works with all types of battery powered ignition systems. It was usually dead nuts on..........

Tom Broome 02-25-2020 09:26 PM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CMcAllister (Post 608790)
Adjustable advance timing lights are not recommended for use on MSD ignitions. Plenty of information/confirmation out there with a little Goggleing.

MSD sells their own light, both 12v and self powered - or - you can try to find an old Ferret/MSD non-adjustable light - or - you can pick up a mint or NOS Sears/Penske 2138 light, this was sold relabeled by MSD years ago under part #8990. This is what I've used for decades. They are out there.

I've seen people say they've had good results with some of the self-powered lights (Flaming River, etc) available as well, but have no personal experience with them.

Ferret Instruments has gone out of business, who is MSD's supplier for timing lights now? Anyone know? The lights still look like the Ferret models 81 and 84. It would be nice not to pay Holley/MSD's pretty significant price mark-up.
I tried a Flaming River light, I much preferred my old Craftsman.

CMcAllister 02-25-2020 10:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Broome (Post 608811)
Ferret Instruments has gone out of business, who is MSD's supplier for timing lights now? Anyone know? The lights still look like the Ferret models 81 and 84. It would be nice not to pay Holley/MSD's pretty significant price mark-up.
I tried a Flaming River light, I much preferred my old Craftsman.

Don't know. Also don't know if they are still made in this hemisphere. They look like the old Ferrets. I still see an old Ferret on ebay occasionally. They usually bring a good price.

CMcAllister 02-25-2020 10:23 PM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 608795)
Ya know, I know a guy who used to run comp cars and gassers WAAAAY back in the day (he's well into his 80s) and he set his timing by lining up his timing mark on the balance at the timing that he wanted, turning the ignition on and moving the distributor until the points (remember them?) sparked. After that, he would move the distributor back-and-forth until the ET slip was happy.

I remember years ago watching either fuel or blown alcohol guys doing that, but they would use a buzz box or audible continuity tester across the points and rotate the mag until it beeped. Didn't require the ignition to be powered up.

older racer 02-26-2020 03:02 PM

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the older sears, model light is161.2134. works excellent. had a racer years ago, used a dial back on his MSD, motor always tried to kick back when starting, used my sears light, his light showed 35 deg, mine showed 50 deg, reset timing with mine, car picked up 2 tenths and 2 MPH. also started easier.

Greg West 02-26-2020 03:11 PM

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Electronic Specialties Model 130 battery powered timing light works well.
esitest.com
800-227-1603

340 Six Pack 02-26-2020 04:39 PM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
Try eBay for an old Craftsman 28-2134, just an old-fashioned straight up timing light. Works great with MSD 6 and 7 series boxes. Dial-back lights not recommended for use with MSDs. I tried one, would not work at all with a 7AL-3.

gmonde 02-26-2020 07:23 PM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg West (Post 608845)
Electronic Specialties Model 130 battery powered timing light works well.
esitest.com
800-227-1603

i just purchased yesterday from amazon,,it came in today,, i will keep you posted on how it works ,,thanks for the replies

Eman 02-27-2020 05:49 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/Performance-T...E5VEFX2W2NMHQV
This looks exactly like the Electronic Specialties, wonder if it's the same light?

Tom Broome 02-28-2020 11:30 AM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eman (Post 608909)
https://www.amazon.com/Performance-T...E5VEFX2W2NMHQV
This looks exactly like the Electronic Specialties, wonder if it's the same light?

I hope not, did you read the reviews that specifically applied to the timing light?

bykr 02-28-2020 01:17 PM

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Yeah, the reviews are horrible for the Performance Tool one.

CMcAllister 02-28-2020 02:47 PM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
I don't think the Electronic Specialties light and the Performance Tool are the same light - similar, but not the same if you look at the photos. The Electronic Specialties light looks like it is also sold by Powerhouse Products (part of the Comp Cams performance group).

The Electronic Specialties unit gets good reviews everywhere I look. Supposedly good to 14K RPM.

Shaun Quill 02-29-2020 08:21 PM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 608795)
Ya know, I know a guy who used to run comp cars and gassers WAAAAY back in the day (he's well into his 80s) and he set his timing by lining up his timing mark on the balance at the timing that he wanted, turning the ignition on and moving the distributor until the points (remember them?) sparked. After that, he would move the distributor back-and-forth until the ET slip was happy.

The time slip never lies does it? As a sidenote, on the advice of my kid I put a wideband in my car and that thing never agreed with The clock so I got rid of it.

CFMCNC 03-15-2020 03:35 PM

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Have had original Sun ,Snap On,MSD,and Sears.All non advance feature.All were good.33 years of engine dyno testing.Currently have Electronics Specialties #130.First one lasted 6 years of constant dyno work.On the second now,For under 80$ cant go wrong.WE usually ask customers to bring their timing lites to dyno session for comparison.Bill C.

Ed Wright 03-15-2020 07:33 PM

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When I still had my shop open, I had one of those adjustable lights that was part of my big Sun Engine ‘scope/EngineAnalyzer. I had a SnapOn, and a Sun lights as well. On my race car, I had a 36 degree mark on my dampener that I knew was correct. I checked my timing with those lights, none were right on, nor did any agree with each other. After that, I won’t use one.
Your test results may not agree. I can not imagine anybody simply assuming their dial timing light is correct.
I don’t know everything, this is simply what I observed.

gmonde 03-15-2020 08:58 PM

Re: timing light w/ advance recomendations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CFMCNC (Post 610146)
Have had original Sun ,Snap On,MSD,and Sears.All non advance feature.All were good.33 years of engine dyno testing.Currently have Electronics Specialties #130.First one lasted 6 years of constant dyno work.On the second now,For under 80$ cant go wrong.WE usually ask customers to bring their timing lites to dyno session for comparison.Bill C.

yeah i was at the dyno ,unfortunately thats where mine failed (the magnet fell out of the plug wire pick up somewhere) ,, but did end up with the Electronics Specialties #130
motor is still on the cradle waiting to be installed

thanks for the feed back gmonde


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