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Driver A and driver B are involved in a non heads up round of competition. Driver B is the slower dialed car and red lights. Driver A rightfully gets the winning ET slip. However driver A is found to be 45 pounds light at the scales. Driver B is then asked to scale and found to be legal weight. Which driver should move on to the next round?

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I believe both are DQ'd. Next round is a competition bye for whoever is on the ladder. I wonder what happens if that was the final round.

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Driver B should be reinstated

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Driver B red is less of a infraction. Same as if driver A cross center or hit the wall

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This happened to my dad several years ago. He was asked to come to the scales, fuel checked then reinstated.

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I think it used to be call first or worst infraction is out.
In that case Marty presented both would be out.
I have had it happen to me in Modified at an IHRA race.
Have no idea how it is interpreted these days.

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Which racer did advance Marty ?

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I would prefer to keep it hypothetical MJ

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driver B should have been put back in this should have not even been in question!!! first rule under email tech cards is DRIVER is responseable for all info and saftey eq. !!!!!!!!!

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Two ways to look at it, with Driver B being reinstated in either case.

1. Driver B was red first, but the car being light is worse. The “first” rule only applies to equal infractions, and being light is definitely worse. Driver B advances.

2. Driver A may have scaled light after the run, but he staged a car that was not legal so he was “first” anyway. Driver B advances.

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Marty, IMO.. I don’t see any way that driver A can advance ...I believe driver B should have been called back and allowed to weigh. .....

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Driver "B" should have been reinstated. Isn't that why winning cars are scaled after a win? I had a similar situation happen to me years ago. I lost the round but was reinstated because my opponent drove past the scales.

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Driver A brought a car that wasn't legal to the race. Driver B didn't cross a lane boundary. Driver B should be reinstated, regardless how he lost the race.

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Driver B should get put back in. Same if A didn't pass Fuel

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I don't mean any disrespect but how can you be 45 Lbs. light during eliminations. If your weight was Ok last round and now you're 45 Lbs. light and not know it?
Kenney Kelley

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Only if he didn’t drive by the scales

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Driver B was at the scales and asked to weigh immediately after driver A failed to make weight.

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First or worst. As long as the red lighting car waited at the scales to verify that the other car was legal, I would expect that the red lighting car is reinstated., it the red lighting car went back to the pits, it leaves a little uncertainty from my view.

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I can tell you from past experience they don't always do that. I redlighted during a Saturday night round at the Gators many years ago.
Opponent drove by scales and fuel check. I pulled up and waited by the scales for 1 hour, thats right1 hour while they completed the rest of the rounds that night. A div 1 tech official went and found the guy on his way out of the track, a Div 1 racer. Not sure if that influenced it or not. He then brought the car to the scales and weighed,fuel check had long closed. After they went in the trailer and discussed it Jim Skelley said Steve Gibbs told him to forget it. Same situation for Greg Rowe except David Simmons told him he wouldn't come weigh because he could not win a heads up run the next round. Greg went on to win the race the next day and I always ask him since then if we are having buy backs at the race. Not the only time had bad decisions made I didn't agree with. But it is their ballpark and their rules like them or not. I just assumed they didn't like rednecks lol.

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So is the precedent: a red light is worse than being light at the scales?

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When he staged the was not legal to race...

The red light came after the illegal car staged..

Staging while not at legal weight was the first infraction...

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Driver receives a red light foul start and the opposing driver is discovered to be in violation of technical rules (including weight, engine displacement, mechanical limitations, of fuel check).
-Driver in violation of technical infraction will be disqualified -driver committing the foul start will be reinstated.

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Would the driver who redlighted ONLY be re-instated if he waited by the scales for the non redlight driver to fail? Or would they go get the red light driver to bring him to the scales?

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I totally agree with the above, but red light driver passed the scales and went to his pit like most everybody. Now what? Don't think tech boys want every -.000 driver sitting at scales and fuel check waiting for his opponent to pass. Should tech go find red light driver, make him weigh and pass fuel check or just reinstate him?

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This^^^

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That was why I thought both would have been disqualified, but I guess not.

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This is why if I lose a round I will pull over near the scales and watch to see if the driver that beat me passes weight check

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We were always told to not wait at scales on any loosing run many times. Officials always said they would come get us if needed to scale and fuel check.

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First or worse, never over until you scale/fuel check!

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Marty already answered the question about driver B not passing the scales

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A similar situation occurred recently at Topeka LODRS Race 1 in round 4 of Stock. In that instance Driver B broke out and Driver A took the win light. Driver A failed fuel check. Driver B was paged back to the tech area over the track PA system. Driver B was reinstated (I assume after successfully passing fuel and weight checks).

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Once got beat at IHRA Div race in a headsup race went over to the scale to congratulate the driver, the scale guy said he was ten lbs lite. I scaled my car I was ok.
Then the tower said he was the winner because the scale was old. Was not happy. Tom