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Larry Hill 08-30-2020 03:59 PM

How Do No Shows Qualify Higher Than DQ'S
 
I would like to know.
The Cars that were no shows, never made a run down the track at BG but were placed higher on the sheet than some cars that made qualifying run and were DQed for fuel or weight. How does that work? If you look at the qualifying sheet you see somebody made up some "Official" times or were they just phoned in. What happened to the enforcement of the rule that the car had to fit the class to get a grade point?

If the race director is going to add the late arrivals to tha bottom of the sheets there should be some type of order. Like number 87 entry arrived before number 88 and so on, not this made up stuff mess.

So now if I need grade points I can double enter the races one in D7 and the other in D1 on the same weekend. Then stay home and pay for the entry fee in fuel savings by not traveling.

I belive this can of worms needs to have the top put back on it.

Dyno 08-30-2020 04:29 PM

Re: How Do No Shows Qualify Higher Than DQ'S
 
I drove 1700 miles this week to get my 2 grade points at Yellowstone. A phone call and a credit card would be easier.

Willyracer 08-30-2020 04:46 PM

Re: How Do No Shows Qualify Higher Than DQ'S
 
I am new to the class racing.But wasn't the old rule was
You had to enter and have to car tech. ( car had to fit class )
But you didn't have to make a run to get your grading point

Now that we are doing on-line tech , could this issue be a loop
Hole that people are taking advantage of ?

David

Larry Hill 08-30-2020 06:08 PM

Re: How Do No Shows Qualify Higher Than DQ'S
 
From NHRA Competition 6/15/2020

For a Participant to enter a Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series or National Open event and receive a grade point. The Driver and vehicle must be present at the event. The car at the event must be legal for the class being entered. Any abuse of this system will constitute the forfeiture of entry and grade point. No refunds or exchanges when entry is purchased online and not showing at event.

BG56 08-30-2020 06:12 PM

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We're living in a "Virtual World" and it ain't good. No matter that 'they' tell us "it'll be better for you"!

442OLDS 08-30-2020 06:30 PM

Re: How Do No Shows Qualify Higher Than DQ'S
 
Will they also get First Round loser points? Much easier to stay home and lose 1st round than drive all the way there to lose First Round.

It is beyond me how somebody can be on a qualifying sheet when they aren't even physically on the property.

Joe Schweigert 08-30-2020 07:47 PM

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This has been going on for a long time it's BS always a sore spot when Pomona rolls around

lstanford 08-30-2020 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 622223)
Will they also get First Round loser points? Much easier to stay home and lose 1st round than drive all the way there to lose First Round.

It is beyond me how somebody can be on a qualifying sheet when they aren't even physically on the property.

Don't forget. It's virtual.

Jody Lang 08-30-2020 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Schweigert (Post 622234)
This has been going on for a long time it's BS always a sore spot when Pomona rolls around

Joe, they showed up on the ladder? I’ve seen guys somehow get a grade point without fuel checking (rental or street cars obviously are not passing fuel with unleaded) but they were actually there to fill out and turn in tech card. I didn’t think they ended up on the ladder though.

It’s in the rule book if you don’t weigh in you get DQed from the event. This obviously only applies if you’re actually at the race.

A bigger deal to me than the grade points is that there’s people getting singles that should’ve raced 1st round and the ladder was a complete BS ladder.

R4404 08-30-2020 08:21 PM

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I raced one of those competition singles and wasn't happy.
Look what that does to the entire Ladder

B Parker 08-30-2020 09:02 PM

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At the Orlando points meet earlier this year. I ran the test and tune on Thursday. I showed up late and it rained. I didn't make a run until 8pm. I broke the car. I was able to fix it and just missed the 2nd qualifying run for Stock on Friday. Saturday they went right into eliminations which I knew. I asked if I could be put on the bottom of the qualifying sheet. The Div. Director did say that I needed to brake the beams on a run and would try to get me down the track later in the day. This was on Friday. It ended up raining so I never made a run and didn't get on the qualifying sheet. I'm not saying he was wrong but it should be the same at every Divisional. BP

Jeff Hairrington 08-30-2020 09:09 PM

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i was one that got put on the qualifying sheet and didn't attend. I qualified ahead of a lot of racers that attended.. I entered with a gold card, didn't seek a refund, because i paid nothing?? yet competitor i was paired with got a bye run first round. Not trying to get a grade point, Never left the house, but it required pre-entry early in the week.. I had personal issues and didn't go..So do i get 10 points for a no show? Or 30 for first round loss even thought i wasn't on the property? I also received 10 points for topeka, never entered, never attended, maybe its all my fault...time to bracket race......

HR9121 08-30-2020 09:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Hairrington (Post 622241)
i was one that got put on the qualifying sheet and didn't attend. I qualified ahead of a lot of racers that attended.. I entered with a gold card, didn't seek a refund, because i paid nothing?? yet competitor i was paired with got a bye run first round. Not trying to get a grade point, Never left the house, but it required pre-entry early in the week.. I had personal issues and didn't go..So do i get 10 points for a no show? Or 30 for first round loss even thought i wasn't on the property? I also received 10 points for topeka, never entered, never attended, maybe its all my fault...time to bracket race......

Cheater!😜

tim worner 08-30-2020 09:48 PM

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I always was told Bryan you got 10pts for passing tech..10pts for qualifying and 10pts for 1st rd loss that was the 30pt breakdown

tim worner 08-30-2020 09:51 PM

Re: How Do No Shows Qualify Higher Than DQ'S
 
I always was told you got 10pts for passing tech..10pts for qualifying and 10pts for 1st rd loss that was the 30pt breakdown

James Perrone 08-30-2020 10:00 PM

Re: How Do No Shows Qualify Higher Than DQ'S
 
With all the down time for weather how hard is it to check the entry list against who made a run down the track? Seems like the division director made the call on this.
The divisional office should have an answer....but it too late for that.

Mark Faul 08-31-2020 10:33 AM

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D3 rule book?

JeremyDuncan 08-31-2020 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Faul (Post 622288)
D3 rule book?

Well played🤣

Larry Hill 08-31-2020 11:03 AM

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Mark That's Funny

djm670 08-31-2020 12:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Faul (Post 622288)
D3 rule book?

7 kingdoms.... Ruled with an iron fist.... when you are in my house you play by my rules....


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