Damn...305 superstock engine receives 15 hp.....
 

WOW.....I thought maybe the 1.35 under run was a misprint or the car was classified wrong......

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From what I heard someone pissed the guy off and he went to the race just to go fast. He was torn down and then loaded up and went home.

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Well, if that’s the case ...MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.....care to add anything to this,....Mr. Benchracer.....

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Was the number one qualifier that ran -1.834 under a misprint? They didn't get HP it appears.

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That car was in the wrong class. The firebird did run 1.35 under and was the number 1 qualifier.

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The revised qualifying sheet apparently never made it on DRC so here's the top half of it.

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The sheet shows it as a 350. So was it a 305 or a 350? Jim


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Don't see any 305 190/240hp 88-92 F bodies in nitro Joe's stats from last year. A few 87's.

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The 1987 305 190/240hp you see from last year were Z28s now the guide for some strange reason shows the same engine combo in a Coup/LT Camaro, which it never came in a Coup/LT was only offered in a Z28. Plus the 1987 305 190/240hp should have received the same HP hit as the 1988-1992. The 1987 Z28 no longer shows it had this engine in the classification guide. The Classification Guide is becoming a joke!

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Didn't the B4C package get the Z28 powertrain?

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10/20/2020
As the result of runs under the Automatic Horsepower Factoring System (AHFS) 1.20-second under policy at the NHRA Division 2 event, the following changes have been made.

The horsepower rating for 88-92 GM Camaro/Firebird, entries with the 305 cubic inch engine and a factory rating of 190-210 currently rated at 240, have been increased by fifteen horsepower, to 255 horsepower; for Super Stock Eliminator.
NHRA's 2020 Automatic Horsepower Factoring System outlines that any run of 1.20-seconds or more under the index will receive an immediate index decrease or horsepower increase. These changes are effective Oct. 20, 2020.


http://www.nhraracer.com/content/general.asp?articleid=72070&zoneid=132

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Yes the B4C police package was a Z28 without the Z28 emblems, 1992 and up all had 350 power plants, except the 1991s had a 230hp stick LB9. The B4C was never put into the classification guide, my guess would be because they were never offered to the public. If the B4C was in the classification guide I guess you would have to have blue lights on the car lol.

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Note to self, do not piss anyone off...........

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I stand corrected, the 1987 Z28 305 190hp has the same head casting number as the 1988 thru 1992 Z28s, but the 1987 head is 1cc bigger in the combustion chamber than the others per the guide.

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The 87 just received 15 HP....
No 305 is safe....
LOL !!!!!

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I don't like to speak for my brother but he don't do the internet. He received a gift of some horsepower in SS/GT earlier in the year. The offender laughed about it and said he don't run GT and didn't care. My brother spent thousands of dollars and had his Firebird changed from a 92 to a 87 Fromula with circus paint from Steve Mc Creary so he could pay back the favor. The car was entered at Rockingham as an 1987 Firebird Formula. The pass on the car was pretty weak as the 60 foot was a 1.38. David said he cracked the thrtottle and the MPH was maybe 131. Dave ley came by and sealed the engine. I convinced my brother to tear down early and not make a run that could have easily picked up a tenth. Every one picked up a tenth the next morning. I figured he still had a an easy 1.25 under after the horsepepower.The next morning it would have gone in the 9's in ss/la. Why the 1988 to 1992 305got the hit I don't know.

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GT motors should get the same extra HP hit everytime a SS engine gets hit... it only makes sense.
They made separate GT HP ratings because of body style advantages in the GT car.
You can't have SS cars with more HP than the GT cars with same engines.
I can't believe this hasn't been corrected for years.

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Of course, if that was changed, then the SS cars would also get hit when GT is hit if the rule was universally applied. I don’t see that changing

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Not true James... this only goes one way. (SS car goes fast- hit GT hp too)

3800 lb big air grabbing chevelle (or worse- some big wagon) running SS. Racer takes that motor combo and puts in GT car (cavalier?). Definite advantage for the more aerodynamic cavalier.
Thus, GT cars were given a separate HP from SS cars. If a GT car goes fast, it should not effect the SS cars (only SS cars going fast should hit both HP'er)

GT HP should NEVER have hp lower than the SS same combo.

But you are right about one thing.. NHRA probably won't change it... BUT they should.

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Tom, what about a car that can claim SS and GT with the same engine, same body. The LT1 is 295 in GT and 279 in SS same body same engine? L98 Camaro's do the same thing, can run both classes with same car and engine. Either they both get hit or they stay separate. The problem is a car that has the correct engine in it should have not been allowed to run GT, but that bridge has been burnt down long ago.

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That is very true Herb.
I agree... both should get

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Looks like the 15 horsepower increase to 255 is for replacement heads in S/S. The horsepower for OEM heads does not change.

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I have to agree. It's only common sense that an engine irregardless of the name on the fender will be quicker in a lighter car. IMHO there are several combinations in the guide that would be killers in a minimum weight GT car.

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If you look at a 283 220 hp in SS, 233 in gt and Chevy IIs and 218 in a Chevelle. HP in a regular SS stick is higher than GT. Tom

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After looking back at the last comment I made on my post I realized this was a shotgun statement, in poor taste, certainly made with poor judgement, and it was removed. I was in no way speaking of the officials on site at Rockingham and my apologies go out to them. All were professional, helpful, performed their job well, and I commend them for the job they do. They are an asset to NHRA. Don Jackson

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I agree to start it shouldn’t. I guess I was considering that GT already had some et penalty built in as well. Maybe not alll, but the ones that I look at. For example. If you look at the 9-9.5 lb weight breaks for SS and GT, the index for SS is .15-.2 slower than GT.

I think the same consideration for combining stick and auto classes can be made. For some, but not all classes. In my view, their are several classes like GTF-GTH,that could be combined. The hp is much higher in automatics for these classes because the indexes were too slow to begin with. Most of the good automatic stuff with Radials can run with a stickshift.

I know this doesn’t apply to all combos but if NHRA wanted more heads up races, they could do this with at least some classes.

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The stick vs. auto heads up races would be interesting too.

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Let's see .SS/L , 11.25..SS/LA , 11.45

Mmm-mmm,...Sure.

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Maybe not a powerglide 283 but oh wait a minute, they don’t have to run powerglides anymore.

And of course, this SSLA could hold its own with any SSL car

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r=100#indextop

I know it isn’t perfect for all classes, but the stick and auto is closer than ever. If the autos had the same index as the stick cars they wouldn’t have to spend most of their time slowing the car down to avoid hp.
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Talking Stock here..Not S/S
I suppose , if the stick guys spend enough on the clutches and R&D, they could match the automatic 60' s ,and then run the bigger speeds, they would be okay.
I never did like the combined idea, and still don't.

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Since you are looking at the 220 HP 1966 283 in SS/LA a 13# class at 11.45 index. HP in the a Chevy II is 233. Stick HP is 237 or 52 lbs more. Now in a Chevelle , HP is 217 for the auto and 227 for the stick. A Chevelle can be 238 lbs lighter than a Chevy II with a auto and a 130 in a stick with the same index. In GT the hp is 233 auto and 230 for the stick. That is why Bick and Cassel run in GT rather than ss/k, they get to run 84 lighter. Big cars [Impalas] hp is 229 auto and 230 for a stick. Someday I would like a shot at the 9s in a Chevy II but in SS/JA 460 lbs lighter than L. Everybody stay safe and enjoy life as we know it. Tom