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So Super Stock and Stock will be contested at all National Events, but with no mention of Class Eliminations and Super Street being contested at Indy (All Stars so all classes are run at Indy) I’m guessing Class is gone except at “specials” like Baby Gators and SportsNationals(?). Still awaiting the 2021 Quotas and Grade Point policy....tick tick.

https://www.nhra.com/sites/default/f...ssSchedule.pdf

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I too went and looked for the class eliminations schedule yesterday and found no update. And like you figured no class at Indy, especially with the AHFS in effect.

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Indy has to have Class. Us old racers live for that class trophy from the big go. This year was an exception, 2021 needs to have full class eliminations in S/SS, with teardown day for Stock, and teardown day for Super Stock.

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I was told yesterday by someone that I'd rather not mention but class eliminations for the particular races have not been determined yet. Which races have class is determined by the competition department and have not been added to the schedule yet but will be once everything is evaluated.

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The bottom of the NHRARacer.com does say this:
With all of that said - I noticed that Indy is only scheduled for Sept 1-5 (Wednesday - Sunday). I have a hard time seeing how they'll fit in S/SS class with one less day of racing if they're doing the All-Stars on top of the usual NHRA dog and pony shows. :mad: Maybe one qualifying run and then class on Wednesday?

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Indy this year was only a 4 day race (Thursday Sept.3 - Sunday Sept.6), and they did the All Stars. So next year will have 1 additional day (Wednesday Sept.1). Assuming the Pros will continue to have Q1 Friday evening and Q2 and Q3 on Saturday; Class Elims. are feasible. Of course, with the NHRA making the decisions, who knows. We can only hope.

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Its coming ! Just as I posted in the past. It will no doubt take awhile but do not be surprised when Stock and Super Stock no longer exists.

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^^^^^^^
We are not the show, just the support group and the bill payers.

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Would be interested to see how the bills get paid when there are no Sportsman racers there! Entry fees, and tickets for crew, friends and family members have to enter into their brain dead decisions sooner or later. ???

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The race would not work without sportsman .The pits would look bare Remember there are only 60 to 70 pros

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Haters gonna hate

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I'm NOT a hater. In fact I hope I am very wrong but a lot of you can not see the forest for the trees. There are not enough REAL sportsman cars being allowed in to even have class run offs at most races this coming year. Plenty of S/C, S/G, Top Sportsman, Top dragster and now the S/ST cars with little to no inspections. Its turned into a bracket race !

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That's funny. Guess you didn't look at the schedule. Stock, Super Stock, Super Comp and Super Gas ARE THE ONLY SPORTSMAN CLASSES NOT!!! CUT FROM ANY NATIONAL EVENT. Those 4 classes are the foundation of NHRA. Without them there is no Professional NHRA.

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And as far as quotas go. Have you seen the tow rigs these days? There isn't room for more cars. WE did that....not NHRA. I have a 39ft rv with a 28ft trailer and my crap is small in the pits compared to a 40ft toter and 40ft stacker with a 15ft wide awning off one side. Now go back to trucks with open trailers where you pit off the back of the trailer....a quota of 45 stockers turns into 90. Again.... WE as racers did that to the quotas. Has nothing to do with limiting the sportsman racer. NHRA might be stupid but they ain't dumb.

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All excellent points.When I started, I flat towed. :eek:


Stan

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A little trolling for the day?

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Remind me again, What stocker or Superstockers do you race ??

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Not that I am disagreeing with you when it comes to the real estate being consumed by large RV's but that argument does not hold water when it comes to tracks like LV, there is a ton of empty space even at the largest events. Quotas at races like that should be expanded.

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I do understand that, but the logic is to try to keep an even field all across the US as to not give any certain racer an advantage. Over 65 cars and the points available changes, i.e. R/U gets 94 instead of 84 and semi's gets 83 instead of 73. It would be an advantage to west coast racers. There are a few on this end that can handle more but you can't have Southern Nationals in Commerce GA have a Stock quota of 45 and LV have a quota of 75. The runner ups and Semis in LV would get 10 more points than than the same finish in Commerce. Crazy thing is the winner is still 105 regardless, from 33 cars to 128 cars. And I am not trying to argue a point with anyone. Just making points because alot of people blame NHRA when in reality, WE as racers started most of the issues. Ok....I'll get off my soap box lol.

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I love racing class eliminations.
But folks that ship has sailed away
Nhra doesn’t give a .........**** about class eliminations
they have slowly cut back and fazed it out
We Are Not The Show. !....... Dan Fletcher quote
I would think Indy would definitely have class eliminations .
but once NHRA gets away with running class at Indy like they did. They will do it again
Also NHRA has bigger problems than us. They need live fans to make some$$$$

Let’s hope we as racers can continue to race a schedule as put out
Because the whole dam world is up it the air. Nothing guaranteed

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Not to mention the extra money that comes from camping fees. I don't remember ever paying a fee when I brought in my car on a flatbed trailer with my pickup. Not sure all the tracks charge the fee but it's probably heading that way.

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Very few dont charge, the 2 tracks in SD charge you to leave your mh over nite.

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And we're not going to Indy without class eliminations. Not a fan of running them at the Baby Gators rather than at the Gators either.

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Please don't give NHRA ideas about charging a parking fee for the racers.

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Yet Indy gets 160 and Seattle gets 45 so that doesn’t hold water either Vega should get what Indy gets

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As just a fan of class racer, part of the problem I see at nationals is dropouts. Too many times when I look at quota right before race, you will see quota 48 and only 44 entries. So gold card and past champions register and then do not go. This then hurts the quota the next year as NHRA sees only 44 entries and sets the quota there. Becomes a downward spiral.

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I actually like the baby gators class situation. The way the quotas have been jacked up, it is tough to get in for many at some of the national events. At least you can plan for the points meet class runoffs. Racing for class is fun and the fun part for me is the racing, not being lumped in as filler for the pros.

I think that NHRA could offer class as a separate race to enter st LODRS and make it work. Just make it an option to enter for an additional fee. It wouldn’t have to be that much more to make work work and would drive participation in stock and superstock. Heck, they could make it part of a test and tune day before the event if they wanted to. I am nit saying this is ideal, but it would allow people that are interested in performance a choice.

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I also like the Baby Gator situation. Like James said not everyone that wants to run the Gators can due to the low quota and the popularity and timing of that event. Lots of racer from other divisions come down to participate in the D2 races that start in February and run through the Gators We have 4 races in about 5 week time frame. 3 divisionals and 1 national event.

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James and Mike, I agree with running class at a divisional BUT only if they did is as an addition to class at the national. I feel like once they replaced class run at the Gators it may never come back. Replacing the performance aspect of the class with a bracket race at a national event isn't for me.

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I am not sure if you are aware but class at the Baby gators is the class run off for the Gatornational event they just do it the week before. You get national event class trophy. The baby gators and the Big Gators just mulls together into one big long event. Lots stay and race both events if they have enough grade points to enter the national . Running class at the Baby gators gets more cars and less classes in the combo. I think the ship has sailed for class being run at the Big gators any more. They did away with that at the 50th anniversary race several years ago to make room for super street and possibly TS and TD.

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INDY is a special race....always has been. It is null and void of quotas. No way to have class at a National with a quota of 63 or less. Too many cars in the combo or a 2 car race for the trophy. I like the idea of Class at the div races. Can't beat your chest that you won class if its only 2 cars....just saying.

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Don, do some quick math for us....how would insurance go down on sportsman races compared to "National" type races?

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Yes sir, and I believe they should run the performance end of a performance based class at the national event as well. Just my opinion.

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A bunch the type of fuel is one issue that causes the increase in insurance plus types of cars .plus I suspect if a company puts out a request to bid the cost may go down