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6130 12-31-2020 05:35 PM

Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
I'm not seeing it in the rule book. Can somebody point me in the right direction?

kansas stocker 12-31-2020 06:19 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Yes.

Jim Caughlin 12-31-2020 06:48 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
As you are not allowed to tow them like a Comp Elim car, sure better be able to start it...

6130 12-31-2020 07:08 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Where in the rule book does it state that they have to be self-starting?

Jim Caughlin 12-31-2020 07:26 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 6130 (Post 630892)
Where in the rule book does it state that they have to be self-starting?

Look in general regulations under starters

FED 387 12-31-2020 07:27 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Section 20 page 38 line 8:5 --all cars must be self starting ---no rolling or push starts

Jim Caughlin 12-31-2020 07:49 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Not sure where you are going with this but I will tell you after decades of experience (particularly when it comes to a somewhat unusual combination) don't show up at the track and say "the rulebook didn't say I couldn't do it" as you will likely have spent a bunch of time and money and get booted anyway. Ask the tech director before you attempt any off the wall idea, they are pretty good about telling you yes or no ahead of time.

MR DERBY CITY 12-31-2020 09:32 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 6130 (Post 630884)
I'm not seeing it in the rule book. Can somebody point me in the right direction?

Today is New Years Eve, April Fools Day is over 90 days away .....

Jeff Stout 12-31-2020 09:55 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Just curious. If a stick shift car could not start in the lanes. Then can it be push started by people?

MR DERBY CITY 12-31-2020 10:33 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 630905)
Just curious. If a stick shift car could not start in the lanes. Then can it be push started by people?

It can in D3 , saw it with my own eyes at Bowling Green points meet....

Jeff Stout 12-31-2020 10:56 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY (Post 630910)
It can in D3 , saw it with my own eyes at Bowling Green points meet....

Interesting

6130 12-31-2020 11:42 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FED 387 (Post 630894)
Section 20 page 38 line 8:5 --all cars must be self starting ---no rolling or push starts

Section 20 is Exhibition Vehicles.

But I did find that under Section 21 General Regulations 8:5, that all cars must be self-starting, so I guess that answers my question.

Thanks...

6130 12-31-2020 11:45 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 630905)
Just curious. If a stick shift car could not start in the lanes. Then can it be push started by people?

I have seen opponents do that from time to time, although I don't remember ever losing a race to someone who had to be bump-started...

6130 12-31-2020 11:50 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 630895)
Not sure where you are going with this but I will tell you after decades of experience (particularly when it comes to a somewhat unusual combination)...

My question was regarding an SS/VX combo, which apparently is not required to self-charge or self-cool.

I've been drag racing for less than half a century (since the '70s), so I've probably got a lot to learn...

Randy Wells 01-01-2021 12:59 AM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 630905)
Just curious. If a stick shift car could not start in the lanes. Then can it be push started by people?

Tried that at Topeka years ago, old Stewart about blew a fuse, also tried it at the Mile Highs, same response. Started buying New batteries every year after that. . If they catch you it is s no go.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

Adger Smith 01-01-2021 07:44 AM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Adding to what Jim said about the rule book...
Remember when you think you have found that special area between the black and white you have to come up against the dreaded NHRA TECHNICAL POLICIES & PROCEDURES manual.
As some people call it the ** manual...

MikeMoller 01-03-2021 01:52 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
You might get away with it once at a race, but if you tried doing it the whole time I'm sure tech wouldn't allow it.

james schaechter 01-03-2021 02:05 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 630913)
Interesting

I was in Top Stock several years ago at a National open in St. Louis. Corvette would
Not start so I got a push and started it. After my burnout an official shut me off and said I had to self start

Larry Hill 01-03-2021 04:35 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
That may apply to jump boxes

Tom Meyer 01-03-2021 05:08 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
It happened in Pro Stock years ago, Dodge Boys they had to shut it off and restart it. Does the starter have to be in the stock location? Tom

6130 01-03-2021 06:29 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
I remember Buddy Ingersoll won Comp Eliminator at a national event back in the '80s with his Buick turbo Regal after losing the ability to release his clutch. He skipped his burnout in the final round and rushed his opponent by rolling in and lighting both lights with the engine dead...and his opponent bulbed. He then started the engine in gear and left the line under his own power, collecting the win.

Jim Caughlin 01-04-2021 12:08 PM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
With clutch technology being what it is today, I can't imagine trying to push start a manual trans car. The static gripping force of the clutch at zero RPM wouldn't be adequate to lock up the drivetrain and start the engine. I can tell you for a fact that would be the case in my car, I can set the linelock at an idle and let out the clutch pedal and the car will not move. Based on that, I am quite sure trying to push start the car would not work.

6130 01-05-2021 09:51 AM

Re: Are Super Stockers required to be self-starting?
 
Yeah, we see that on motorcycles too.


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