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That will speed up the racing.

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Does anyone know the reason for the policy change from NHRA?

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I thought that was always the rule.

Greg

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I think some guys are checking the rollout(depth) to see just where the last staging light "really" is OR how far in can I go before I'm in danger of red lighting or deep staging

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I agree with Gregg.
I thought that had been the rule for a long time.

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Not sure what the new rule means..
So, if a guy accidentally burns out across the line, he's out?
If a newbie doesn't courtesy stage, he's out?
If a Jr. Dragster or Pro deep- stages, they're out ? Oh wait, they CAN deep -stage.

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So did I. I have seen guys accidentally turn on both stage lights before their opponent stages and the starter backed them out to re-stage, but if you went in too deep and turned out the top bulb you were out.

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I saw a stocker roll thru, turned off the top bulb BUT was not Redlighted because the opposing racer only had one bulb on ..Needless to say, the offending racer backed up VERY QUICKLY .....

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Like Gregg and Mike I thought they removed deep staging and turning on both light then backing out. I think it use to mess up the staging timer. Every time I see it now I question why the same folks do it on a normal routine and are allowed. Usually I have to wait to make sure my dial is correct before I pre-stage as the pair in front are still running their race. I try not have a senior moment by mistake. Many years ago we did a couple dry hops after the burn out.

Paul Haszlauer

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I was watching the feed from Orlando when a stocker went in to deep during eliminations and didn't get a red. I thought he should have gone red. Maybe people questioned why not.

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I didn't see that. I did see a newbie in SS, fail to courtesy stage ,and was backed up .
Joe C. , who claims to be a sportsman racer, said they were checking the dial -ins , but that didn't appear to be the case, from my vantage point.

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Asking for myself, not a friend...

My question would be if I accidentally deep stage can I backup and light the pre-stage again? What if I back all the way out and come back in?

Bill

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The way I read it. It says the stage light so you would need to go all the way thru Pre-stage and Stage to get disqualified and not allowed to back up and restage.
As far as if you accidently went deep in a class where it is not allowed but did not go thru the stage light. Can you back up I think that needs to be clarified by the powers that be. I would think as long as you get backed up before your competitor gets staged you may be ok. But that is just an opinion.
It also says when in the stage process so I would think if you crossed in the process of doing the burn out that would not effect this rule. It may get you tossed if your class does not allow burning out across the starting line. But this rule shouldn't effect that.

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Tried to post this last night. If the blue lights are on , and the tree starts, either side , the deep or too shallow car goes red. You technically have a split second to re-stage.
At least that's how it used to be. Now? Have to call my lawyer for an interpretation.

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I would not be surprised it is some type of new technique. The latest staging I have seen racers do in the big dollar brackets races with dragsters, after burn out, backing up, they stop at prestage and leave prestage on, awaiting for other driver to prestage.

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another first round in super stock there was a crew member standing in the stage beam while the other car was pre-staged. The starter had to run out and get the person out of the lights.

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In the early days of super gas some of the drivers had a indexed magnetic tape on the driveshaft with a sensor sending a signal to a indicator light on the dash. Once they turned the bottom light they would roll in, they knew what value they needed to see on the indicator to keep from deep staging.
NHRA outlawed these devices probably 25-30 years ago.

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Sounds like to me another way to cheat. Getting a 1320 measurement somehow. I mentioned a long time ago about racing a world champ that only stared at the tach like it was a geiger counter. Burp burp burp right on the dial in a head wind. Jumped out the car and tells his crew "I thought I turned the tire." Nice!

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Question..Race Pack type onboard loggers use a driveshaft counter /reader, right? And lots of new cars have digital dashes, right? Turn the key off and they go blank, right?
Ah, never mind..This is silly

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[QUOTE=GTS340;634165]Sounds like to me another way to cheat. Getting a 1320 measurement somehow. I mentioned a long time ago about racing a world champ that only stared at the tach like it was a geiger counter. Burp burp burp right on the dial in a head wind. Jumped out the car and tells his crew "I thought I turned the tire." Nice![/QUOTE

Perhaps not even very long ago?
That is all I will say!

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The driver may have a difficult time seeing over the steering wheel.

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Just so we are on the same page , over staging = you deep staged by mistake for any reason you are out . And not just a double bulb mistake and you must back out and re-stage . I can't recall the last time I saw it happen but it makes you think twice on taking an extra bump or 2 if you've been alittle on the late side of the tree or a hot greasy track .

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[QUOTE=GTX JOHN;634186]The one Big dollar bracket race in 2020 they stopped all 4 semifinalists in the shutdown area and checked all 4 cars for illegal electronics and did not find anything. Promoter did say was not sure what they were looking for?

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Since NHRA made this rule after Orlando. They seen certain competitors are turning on both lights and backing up just enough to turn out the bottom bulb. They do it in their time runs and in competition every time. There is a reason they are doing it. You would have to ask them why. Same ones that have been doing it years past as well. They need an advantage to win the way I see it..

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NHRA needs to provide a clear definition of "Over Staging".

Drivers that after the burn out put on 2 lights right away then back up to put out the stage light are doing a couple of things.
1. When applying the trans brake the car will move forward slightly it will fully stage without a bump the driver knows he's shallow and in the same spot every time taking out the stage position variable in delay setting and ET prediction. Foot braking if leaving at a high RPM the car will move forward when loading the suspension and brakes.

2. Inexperienced opponents will not be able to control their natural reaction to speed up their routine seeing the pre-stage light on handing the psychological advantage over and possibly making a mistake.

Remember a great ATCO racer many time super pro track champ who never did an over the line burnout with his dragster staging as described. Won a lot of rounds.

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I don't have a trans brake in my stocker. I've been doing it for 50 yrs with a foot brake. I'm sure NHRA would be glad to answer your question. I've been lucky to win championships in the pro E.T class when I would go on a regular bases. Never had to back out to know where the stage light is. Learn something new every day is a good thing.

Paul Haszlauer
7019

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Backing out of the stage light or rolling into it, I don't see one being better than the other as far as "knowing where the stage light is". Still has to roll into the stage light after backing out. Seems like more of a mind games thing.

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It's true. I have my usual routine of doing a short burnout and rolling all the way into the prestage beam if the tree is ready. I don't do it to hurry anyone but I also don't need 45 seconds like some people do. Some have felt rushed, even some experienced racers.



Heck they can take all the time they need and it won't matter. I just don't need to stop 30' from the line, check belts, mirrors, hair, thumbs up from a crewmember, rev the car 15 times, etc.... LOL

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Really confused here....NHRA is talking about overstating and the reply’s are backing out of the beams....??

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Surely could use a better term than "over staging" possibly. Is staging twice over staging? it doesn't say deep stag. Write on the window I stag multiple times bare with me.

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I am reading and interpreting the rule as if you stage the car and go in so far that you turn off the top bulb, or “ deep stage” that you are now disqualified. You do not have the ability to back up and restage.
Is that not what some are thinking it means?

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if you have turned off the top bulb and bottom you are out of the beams. this is over stage, and now is illegal to try to re-stage
Deep is just that, deep, (only bottom bulb lit) and will get a red if tree is activated.

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Is this a big problem for somebody , then?
I've watched thousands of rounds, and rarely ever see this.

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For stock and many other classes I think it’s merely a mistake when it happens however I have seen a lot of dragsters backing into the beams without clearing the bottom bulb

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Just when you thought you had lost a race every way possible.

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I would like to hear someone from NHRA explain the rule. My interpretation as soon you shut off the top bulb you are DQd, you dont have to go any farther than that. Only my perception, but NHRA knows what they meant when they posted it, It's just our job to figure it out before someone goes deep to stage and finds out. Especially if you are a person that does that.

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Lol I agree. Just go to your first race and roll through the beams see if you get disqualified

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I could be wrong but, NHRA is not going to put themselves in a situation where the starter is making the call. It has to be an automatic, electronic determination of error. My guess is... if you deep stage at anytime during your staging process, you'll get the gift of a red light. You'll no longer be able to back up and start over, even if your opponent hasn't staged yet.

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The only thing I’ve found is that it’s nothing new, it’s been in the rulebook forever; maybe something that will be enforced now.

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After your burnout, roll up to the line, light one bulb on the tree. Do not light the second bulb until the car in the other lane has at least lit one bulb. They can roll in and light both bulbs if you already have one lit but nobody should light both bulbs until the other car has one lit.

Best I can find