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Well, should have made my words soft because I need to eat them and I'm glad that I do. Several guys thru the barn with heads off and being checked.

Hats off to Lonnie and Ned and the rest of the crew for returning to what Indy is about.

There is also a very well put together presentation by Lonnie at the barn on NHRA's facebook page.

Believe the tide is turning. Sure hope so. Looks to be positive. Here is facebook link.

https://www.facebook.com/NHRA/

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Thank you Lonnie, please take it "back" to the next level!

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The H/SA class winner was in the tear down barn and had a head off. All was good and back together. Thanks NHRA tech for policing our sport and thanks to Bouchers Automotive Machine and Jim Lewis for all you do for us.

Chris & Rod Butcher

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Lonnie is a good dude. You guys just need to give him time.

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Link to a great video, I hope all the whining, crying, naysayers that often troll this site watch this vid !! Thanks for enforcing the rules at the BIG GO !

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A Super Stock DQ and a racer reinstated.

No longer the class winner but raced the first round of eliminations.

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Great video with an easy to understand explanation of what goes on in the barn. Thanks for posting the link.

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His first round opponent (Phish) has been reinstated....

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What about an alternate that was excluded from eliminations?

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They already ran the round. I am not sure how an alternate would fit in unless you reran the run and that isn't going to happen.

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Anthony Bertozzi was at outside the field at the very bottom of the sheet and ran the first round of eliminations, so I'm sure no one was excluded. There were also a few solos in round 1.

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The technical infraction resulted in the competitor relinquishing a class win, which occurred the previous day.


With no alternates, what is the impact to the ladder?

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There was no impact to the ladder because he was torn down after the first round today. The part you reference above just meant that he also relinquished his class win in SS/GA as well as losing the round to Hebert who was reinstated.

Hope that makes sense the way I wrote it.

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According to the NHRA, the car was deemed to be not in compliance at some point on Wednesday.



With this fact established, this car should not have been among those scheduled to compete on Thursday.



What about the second quickest SS/GA car in the field which was eliminated by this competitor in the first round of class?

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It wasn't deemed to be not in compliance on Wednesday. It was torn down today (Thursday) after 1st round of eliminations.

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That had to have been the case or his class win on the day prior would not have been impacted.

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Isn't this the same car that just went 4 rounds at the Nationals in Brainerd, and just won the National event in Topeka? Are we to believe that it was legal then, but changed something and got bounced at Indy? Asking for a friend.

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That is not correct. He was not torn down until today (which is a fact) and it most certainly can impact the class win the day prior which it did. Otherwise he would have been tossed on Wednesday and not allowed to run eliminations today.

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I said nothing about when he was inspected.


The fact remains that this car was determined to be invalid for competition on Wednesday and Thursday, regardless of when it was discovered.


There is a point to this post.

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From your post below how would the NHRA know the car was not in compliance until it was inspected which was after the 1st round of eliminations which was today?

It reads to me that you are saying the NHRA knew sometime on Wednesday which they would have tossed him on Wednesday and he would have never ran 1st round of eliminations today. That is the way it works.

Please explain your point because your posts are in conflict with each other as I read them.

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Word going around was wheel base was wrong.
greg

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I'm saying that the NHRA determined the car was not in compliance when competing on Wednesday.


I did not say that the NHRA arrived at that conclusion on Wednesday.


I did say that that subsequently, the car was ineligible for competition on Thursday.

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I get that and so does the NHRA apparently which was why he was tossed out after his 1st round win and Hebert was reinstated. This is all an unknown until after it is inspected. The timing of the inspection determined the action taken. They cannot go back in time.

Do you honestly think that every other car that ran the 1st round was completely free of any technical infractions? Maybe they were or maybe some aren't. It isn't known until they are inspected thoroughly which is a whole nuther issue.

That is not meant to point fingers at anyone, but my point is that I don't disagree that it shouldn't have been eligible to run the first round according to the technical inspection. My point is that this wasn't known until after the 1st round of eliminations were run.

We are in agreement that the tech department deemed it ineligible for competition at this race. My point is that they didn't know it until after the 1st round. What are you expecting them to do differently without any advanced knowledge? You did say this "With this fact established, this car should not have been among those scheduled to compete on Thursday." So how would that work?

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Now we're closing in on the true concern here.

Why not examine the car during the fourth round or after the semi-final?

While somewhat better than in later rounds, this is not an endeavor that should take place after the first round of the eliminator.

What then for a 127 car field if all of the alternates were accepted and this competitor has loaded up and left Wednesday night?

Whether by simple oversight, inaccurate measurement, careless preparation and assembly or by virtue of a flagrant effort to circumvent the established and accepted rules and procedures, the implications this behavior may have on a great deal of competitors and supporting endeavors can be incredibly onerous and far-reaching.

It is vital that there be the utmost respect for competition and competitors.

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Hello everyone. Today at tear down my wheelbase was 1/2 inch too short. The engine side of things was 100% correct. My wheelbase has been checked 2 previous times in the past couple of years and was correct. Was extremely shocked and disappointed today as nothing has changed on the car since. 1/2 inch short wheelbase was the disqualification.

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Sorry for your toss Wyatt, **** happens, i know you will get it straighten out before next race, on the tear downs, i'am with them 100% lets keep people honest, and with the schl.there, this would have been the time to do it. At lease they are trying ,Hats off to Lonnie and crew, hope everyone enjoys the race, and for the ones on here the cannot give there name up to discuss this,should not be on here, and my correct name is posted up in the left corner.

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It is rare that a car is torn down once eliminations begin. That was one of the nice things about the alternating days for class at Indy in the past so it could get sorted out before eliminations begin. I was surprised to see it done after the 1st round, but I don't think it is unprecedented. There weren't any more rounds scheduled for the rest of the day so it made it plausible.

There are spot inspections during the later rounds at several races that don't involve a head pulled or something time consuming. You will see easy to remove items like a carb/throttle body or the loose ballast inspections that seem to be the rage in Division 4 a couple of years ago. Several cars got tossed with loose ballast and the round loser was reinstated in most all cases.

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Hope you get it sorted out sucks you got Dqed

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Sorry to hear that you were stripped of your class win and tossed for that type of infraction. You have one of the nicest and most well prepared gen one Camaros running today. Its odd to tear down after the first round but NHRA has the option to check or tear down at any time during the event and if they find something they dont like then you get your ticket punched for an early ride home. All you can do is fix the issue and come back stronger next time.

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All this is due to poor scheduling of event. It takes time to do our type of racing. When they schedule you to get in and be gone with you by Friday that becomes a problem.

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Kudos to you Wyatt. This is what I would call a total stand up guy. Went to the barn and told us what they found. Nice job, sorry for the issue with the car.

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Is the rule still + or - 3/4" from factory dimension? If so, I'm assuming that his WB measured 106 3/4'?

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Correct. Measured 106 3/4, and 106 13/16

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What is the factory dimension?

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108. The most disappointing part is my wheel base has passed previously and check by the same guy who checked it at indy. Nothing has changed on my car that would effect wheelbase since.

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Right after I posted that I looked on google and it came up.
Duh!

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They pulled several cars aside today including mine.

Mechanical was the throttle body.

They took a very hard look at the wiring. Lonnie spent a lot of time reviewing my global ECU file and data logs of all my Indy runs.

All of the tech guys were very professional.

Thanks to NHRA, Lonnie, and the NHRA tech crew!!

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I'm impressed... Keep it up .

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He knows what to look for!

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I cant seem to grasp this ,checked by same tech person ,o.k twice ,now 1/2" out,and no changes ,whats the fix,a visit to frame pull or a alignment ???? .