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L.Fite 11-03-2021 06:02 PM

Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
What's the hot ticket on fuel pumps?
Who pays contingency?
What happened to the Barry Grant stuff?... gone away, or someone pick up the product line?
(I've been away awhile...)

Tom Goldman 11-03-2021 11:04 PM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
Magnafuel and Weldon both pay contingency and are excellent pumps.
I run a Magnafuel pump on my SG car and love it , so far better than the previous Barry Grant and QuickFuel BG Clones .
That said ,a lot of the Stock /SS cars I build get a Aeromotive A1000 pump and return style regulator.
It has proven to be a really bulletproof pump for both my carbed and EFI customers cars, one advantage is the ability to mount it just about anywhere.
No matter who's pump you buy, be sure to use a quality stainless screen filter before the pump.

Ralph A Powell 11-04-2021 08:26 AM

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Weldon had a lifetime warranty don’t know if they still do.It would pay to check I have used Weldon since 1982 with no problems and outstanding service!

Keith 944 11-04-2021 08:38 AM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralph A Powell (Post 651496)
Weldon had a lifetime warranty don’t know if they still do.It would pay to check I have used Weldon since 1982 with no problems and outstanding service!

This
I have a Weldon pump. It has paid for itself many times. Great service from Jim Craig. many pumps can get the job done but this is well worth the money and pays for itself in Contingency

L.Fite 11-04-2021 06:21 PM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
Thanks all for the helpful information!

427FE 11-05-2021 10:11 AM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
https://www.weldonracing.com/store/1...ies-p124472213


I went with the 16250A, have not used it yet.

L.Fite 11-05-2021 05:32 PM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 427FE (Post 651579)
https://www.weldonracing.com/store/1...ies-p124472213


I went with the 16250A, have not used it yet.

Looking at that set up also...

L.Fite 11-05-2021 05:40 PM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
Advantage/Disadvantage, Bypass/Deadhead regulator?

I see Weldon leans toward Deadhead, but they sell both...

This is carbureted if it matters.

I've never tried a Bypass set up, except with fuel injected stuff with mechanical pump.

Keith 944 11-05-2021 06:35 PM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
You set the dead head around 5-7#s. The pump has its bypass on the pump. I run the pump at 21-23#s Works great. Very steady pressure and more volume than you will ever need
I think the advantage to this set up would be you only have to run a short hose from the pump back to the Tank

Tom Goldman 11-07-2021 07:49 PM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by L.Fite (Post 651602)
Advantage/Disadvantage, Bypass/Deadhead regulator?

I see Weldon leans toward Deadhead, but they sell both...

This is carbureted if it matters.

I've never tried a Bypass set up, except with fuel injected stuff with mechanical pump.

If you are running a QJet or any other non Holley OEM carb the bypass style is the way to go.

Adger Smith 11-07-2021 09:17 PM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
What about the BG rebuild or freshen. I've got 2 that have been sitting dry since 2010 when I parked everything.. Any parts out there for seals and rubber parts? Hate to buy new if I can use them.. working well when parked.

Andy Friar 11-07-2021 09:39 PM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adger Smith (Post 651774)
What about the BG rebuild or freshen. I've got 2 that have been sitting dry since 2010 when I parked everything.. Any parts out there for seals and rubber parts? Hate to buy new if I can use them.. working well when parked.


I would think that even if someone doesn't sell the specific pn's for your BG pumps, you get some replacement ones from McMaster or a similar online seal outfit with some time using calipers to measure what you need. I have never had BG pumps apart though, so I could be off base on what the seals and rubber parts look like though...

pmrphil 11-08-2021 09:15 AM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adger Smith (Post 651774)
What about the BG rebuild or freshen. I've got 2 that have been sitting dry since 2010 when I parked everything.. Any parts out there for seals and rubber parts? Hate to buy new if I can use them.. working well when parked.

Adger, I believe I've seen seal kits on racejunk for cheap money, I want to say $12.95. Worth a peek.

Eman 11-08-2021 11:47 AM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adger Smith (Post 651774)
What about the BG rebuild or freshen. I've got 2 that have been sitting dry since 2010 when I parked everything.. Any parts out there for seals and rubber parts? Hate to buy new if I can use them.. working well when parked.

Ninja Fuel Systems sells rebuild parts for BG pumps and regulators. You can find him on FB or ebay. I believe Quick Fuel has the designs from BG and their parts interchange, I know the fuel filter elements will fit BG.

b.guggenmos 11-11-2021 07:08 PM

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https://allcarbs.com/product-categor...v=920f83e594a1

Allstate Carburetor also has all the Barry Grant seal kits and hard parts for pumps and regulators. I have used the Ninja seal kits in a BG280 as well as a 2 port regulator. The BG stuff is old but still good!

Bruce Fulper 11-11-2021 11:11 PM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Goldman (Post 651764)
If you are running a QJet or any other non Holley OEM carb the bypass style is the way to go.

Montieth always ran his Hatari Qjet dead head. It was set up that way when I got the car so I tried and it worked flawlessly. Didn't see a reason to change. Ran at 6, 7 lbs.

Tom Goldman 11-13-2021 11:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Fulper (Post 652119)
Montieth always ran his Hatari Qjet dead head. It was set up that way when I got the car so I tried and it worked flawlessly. Didn't see a reason to change. Ran at 6, 7 lbs.

Bruce ,I'm certainly not saying it hasn't been done that way successfully for years , most cars had a dead head system.
Technology and product advancements provided us with the options now available and having the return line is one of them ,especially with the newer high volume /pressure pumps that have flooded the market.

Keith 944 11-13-2021 08:42 PM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
Just the regular is considered dead head as the pump is not just slammed shut but returning fuel there instead of another line from up front.

Mike Rietow 11-14-2021 09:24 PM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
Any issues using a Holley return reg with a Aeromotive 1000? I just did a pump gas Wiseco 10:1 hydraulic roller engine for a 71 split bumper I rescued, plan to hot rod it on the street. I've already run a return +Holley Blue, Is Aeromotive durable for continual use, or is a Holley blue still the standard, anyone know? I'd like to put a quiet pump on this car. Just doing research. I've got aconstant duty relay on the blue, it screams.


https://i.imgur.com/OKVnoC4.jpg

Adger Smith 11-16-2021 02:13 AM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
The Holley blue regulator has a very small area. If you figure the area of the jets in your carb you need a similar or larger area in the regulator to get adequate flow. Otherwise the bowls start emptying as you go down track.
The lower float level could alter the A/F ratio.
The area also applies to Needle and seats.
2ea. .130 dia. N/S will out flow a single blue Holley regulator..
In the past when I ran Holley Blue regulators they were modified for increased flow.
If your a non believer take a blue Holley regulator apart and do some measuring.
The bypass regulator helps reduce air bubbles in the fuel and gives the carb a solid slug of fuel to get in the bowl. Most carbs don't care for air in the fuel & show it in performance.
How much HP are you making?.. HP requires LBS per Hr of fuel. Design a system that provides the correct LBS. Per Hour of fuel.

Mike Rietow 11-17-2021 01:02 AM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
The car has a Holley return regulator. I'm wondering if this is the hot ticket with an A1000 Aeromotive fuel pump. Also wondering if an Aeromotive pump is designed for continuous duty. This is a street/strip car we plan on driving to the track in Orlando, a couple hundred miles round trip. It has a Holley Blue now, which is loud.


https://i.imgur.com/N4X6lK5.jpg

Ralph A Powell 11-17-2021 09:11 AM

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As I remember the diameter of the fuel passage in the old blue Holley regulator is only .224. When I was doing some development work on the first annular 4500 hundreds the Holley engineers told us that the cross over for a second regulator was 580hp. The old blues were very smooth operating regulator’s.

Adger Smith 11-20-2021 02:56 PM

Re: Electric Fuel Pumps...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralph A Powell (Post 652485)
As I remember the diameter of the fuel passage in the old blue Holley regulator is only .224. When I was doing some development work on the first annular 4500 hundreds the Holley engineers told us that the cross over for a second regulator was 580hp. The old blues were very smooth operating regulator’s.

If my memory serves me correctly that is about right on the hole size, but it has a pin that is off the diaphragm to push the ball open. That pin is about .090 in diameter and reduces the area of the .224 opening. On my 2X4 modified cars I drilled out the metal sleeve and installed a larger diameter one for more flow to keep the float levels up.


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