Mineshaft facts
 

All mineshaft does is protect the fast combo’s. Mineshaft is not determined by the weather it is only considered mineshaft when at the conclusion of qualifying the first competitor in the bottom half of the field is -.850 seconds or faster under the class index. To prove the point is Indy the weather sucks that time of year with high temperature, humidity and low barometric pressure. If we used Indy as the rule for mineshaft then almost all the race would be considered mineshaft.
The AHFS will not work affectively with the mine shaft rule in affect. Let’s talk about the AHFS real quick. All it does is try and keep the fast combo’s all at 1 second under. If you get horsepower you get weight and only slow down a little bit and probably still can run 1 under. If you get hit several times you are now a high 90 under combo. The AHFS doesn’t destroy combo’s if running high 90 under is considered destroyed?
For the people that are complaining about not being able to run their car all out, then go to your local track for a bracket race and you can run as fast as you want without getting HP.
I think the mineshaft rule should be removed.
If NHRA were to take a vote on removing the mineshaft rule it would be gone because it only affects the fast combo’s and there are way more slow combo’s then fast ones. No brainer.
Here are some facts on how many runs were affected by the mineshaft rule.

10% of the races were mineshaft
7 out 65 races were Mineshaft
54% of all 1 second under runs were mineshaft
238 mineshaft runs out of the 435 1 second under runs
How many combo’s will not get review because of mineshaft I do not know?

So how is the AHFS supposed to work if half the runs don’t count towards it?

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I don't understand your thought process here. Do you consider yours one of the slow combinations?

I've seen where you have made some pretty fast runs in the past (1.10). I also see where your combination had a reduction at some point.

Where does your combination sit in your master plan?

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I think we all try to play by the rules.

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Larry, I "fixed" your reply! ;-)

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Yep, if there were no rules we all would be .90 racing or bracket racing and it just wouldn't be as satisfying. Even though my car is still not finished (getting close) I get a lot of enjoyment out of building a car that I hope can get to 1 under. I previously built a super street car and then a super gas car, not too much worry about when building the car, just build it fast and slow it down with a stop. For my new stock eliminator car I've tried to consider the performance aspect of every decision and every nut and bolt on the car.

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Billy both are true.

Here in the south, yes I know we live above I-10, we are always "fixen" to do something. I'm fixen to go to town after some KFC chicken and fixins as soon as I finish fixen the car. Ya'll know I talk slow.

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For the mentally impaired senior racers........what is the perfect pass to make everyone happy in regards to protecting the combination from horsepower ?????

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Larry,
Here in the South??
North and South Confederacy style:
The Confederacy included the states of Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia. Jefferson Davis was their President. Maryland, Delaware, West Virginia, Kentucky and Missouri were called Border States.
But I understand how yo Fix'in to be upset about your Southern charm and dignity being questioned by an Arkansas Boy.. LOL!
Billy did fix it....
Only our Cajun buddies live below I-10

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One that has a timeslip with a W on the bottom that is fast enough to win a heads-up run but slow enough to qualify for HP welfare at the end of the season!!!
Perfect Pass!

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Speaking of HP Welfare. When will it be out?

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My guess would be Dec.17.

J.R.

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Gump
I do not consider my combo to be slow but it is not the fastest combo in K or L. There are some under rate combo's in K and L that I can not run with but hopefully run fast enough to give them a strike or possibly make them run 1.20 under for HP. Yes I have made fast runs with my car and have worked dam hard to make it that fast. I did not buy a 1 under car, I built a 1 under car. Since I have been racing this car it has not had HP removed. Where can you see if HP was reduced? I am asking because I dont know, that would be interesting to look at. I dont have a master plan, I just dont think the AHFS will not work and do what it is supposed to do by evening out the feild if over half the runs are not used in the AHFS. We are all playing by the same rules some just do it better then others. I have played by the rules yes. I am glad to see class being run at divisional, because in the northwest we have to travel a long way to go run class.

Remember this is a performance base class.

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Someone correct me if I’m wrong but mineshaft conditions in Stock/Superstock don’t prevent you from getting your index looked at or horsepower added. If you go 1.2 under I think you still get hit. Now comp eliminator is a different story. But I could be wrong.

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Since I have been racing this car it has not had HP removed. Where can you see if HP was reduced? I am asking because I dont know, that would be interesting to look at.

Your car got HP off in the letter writing days. 5hp off twice. Pretty sure a good 5.0 will run with most any K-L car. There are a few exceptions that have gotten a lot of welfare. Maybe a 400 car lying in the weeds too.

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How to tell if a combination has had a Hp adjustment. Look at the mid year and end of year adjustments on the NHRA Competition site under news archives. Or look in the Stock Car Class Guide at each an Hp at the bottom of engine combo for that platform.

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Nhra competition site under news archives ? Where is this Larry ?

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Remember if your combo has ever received a HP increase above the factory rating it can never get a reduction. Not sure why they started this a few years ago. Makes no sense.

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I really don't see how taking away mineshaft will help your situation? The 1.20 is still there. Otherwise, outside of heads-up runs, there would be more chances to lower the average.


The Classification Guide.


You are lucky. There are quite a few much slower cars running your combination to keep the average down. There is nothing stopping you from looking for heads-up runs against those "under factored" cars to get their average up.....

I wouldn't run it if it were otherwise!

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Gum
I gave my opnion on why mineshaft should be removed and all the 1 second under runs should count to make the AHFS work more effectively. I also presented facts on 1 second under runs that over half of them were mineshaft.

Here are some more facts that include both of us in mineshaft condition
From Indy
10 2007 FS/E Daren Poole-Adams, Shelby NC, '19 Camaro 9.914 10.95 -1.036
2007 Daren Poole-Adams -1.052
2007 Daren Poole-Adams -1.002
Would you consider Indy to be mineshaft conditions?
I also see you went 1 under at a Div 2 race and Atlanta National so you are up for review.

From Boise
3 6052 L/SA James Boyce, Duvall WA, '88 Mustang 11.834 13.01 -1.176
6052 James Boyce -1.021

You mentioned a my situation, I dont know what you are implying, or what you are talking about.

I looked in the stock car classification guide
My combo, the year of my car has not been hit with HP. A 1992 Mustang had an adjustment to it. I could have been a clairical error that NHRA fixed? If sombody knows who went fast in 2019 let me know. The stick combo has been hit.

As far as lots of cars running my combo, There is not a lot of them, maybe 10 and in differant years from 88 to 93

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Dude, What can I say? I like to PARTY!!

I didn't write the rules...

Sure did! With it being a performance based class, this should make you happy?

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Which Stock combo's are likely to have HP added? Any predictions/projections? I think there are probably 7 or more up for review.

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Those of us who live below the I-10 road consider where we are as the "Deep South". Jim



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