How Much Is "Kill"?
 

For Class and heads-up runs, how much should be considered as a reasonable gain in ET? I'm talking about dropping 100 pounds, changing to light weight oil, chilling and icing, etc.

Should this get consideration from the NHRA when adding data to the AHFS?

Re: How Much Is "Kill"?
 

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No. Some cars may improve and others will not. There are many combinations that are held back on purposes until they have a heads-up.

Re: How Much Is "Kill"?
 

Wow Daren! You bored or something?
There are also combos out there that don't pick up for different reasons. Mostly restricted combos.

Re: How Much Is "Kill"?
 

Call me sometime. You know that I respect your opinion on all things Class Racing.

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Also don't forget they wright down your car weight in the book at the scales . Its not just a pass or fail thing .

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I think there is a guy that sits down after his School bus route and looks at things like weight, fuel, fuel temp, incremental times, ect. I may be wrong he might go to his shop after the bus route. Maybe he looks at all those things we do at the races after a nice evening meal...

Re: How Much Is "Kill"?
 

.1 second would be a good pickup in stock for most, the A B C Corvette’s at least .3+ sec.

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It can be hazardous to your back, removing weight off some cars, especially in the old days when some guys had big 78 series, spare tires in the trunk full of lead or concrete... :D

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“In the old days”.....like last year in 2021??

RJ

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I meant years ago. Spare tires seemed to have disappeared with the allowance of fuel cells in the trunk.

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So if you go 1 second under at a mine shaft race is the 1 second counted as a hit for the review of your combo. I never thought it was but recently someone told me it was? BP

Re: How Much Is "Kill"?
 

No doesn't count at a mineshaft race. Who is the someone?

Re: How Much Is "Kill"?
 

Definitely not at -1.00 to -1.199 but -1.20 or faster and you still get HP even with mineshaft and I don't think Stock will see a mineshaft again anywhere except maybe Indy National, maybe.

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Glen I would rather not say. He is not an NHRA official and is another racer. If my memory serves me correctly I had only gone 1 second under at mineshaft races. I was also told by a racer that races my combo at Cecil County he had talked to someone in California. That person told them unless the averages changed it looked like our combo would be getting HP. If you read the AHFS rules it says any runs in mine shaft conditions won't count towards the average runs. It doesn't say that the 1 under runs won't count towards a trigger for the combo. If anyone knows for FACT please chime in. I always thought it didn't but I'm not sure the way it reads. BP

Re: How Much Is "Kill"?
 

Mineshaft means the runs don’t count.
Neither does a 1 second under run count to the average or trigger.
120 under run does count.

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When a race goes “Mineshaft “ the 1.20 under still is in affect, but other than that it becomes a ServPro race. “Like it never ever happened” no runs count for the average.

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With the new update to the mineshaft rule going from .85 to .95 under, that is basically going to eliminate the chance of it being in effect. I don’t think we will ever see a top half of a qualifier sheet at 95+ under. Let’s see if this causes more reviews and adjustments