Never to early to think about Indy and AHFS
 

If the 128 car field is made of class winners that have to run as quick or quicker than the Index, and fill the remaining spots filled with the fastest qualifiers the AHFS should work a little better.

What’s your thoughts?

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Well, I for one, stopped going to Indy when they stopped automatically letting Class Winners in.

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If NHRA went back to class winners would you enter the race?

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If I had my ducks-in-a-row and was physically able, sure.

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You would have to do away with the combo class eliminations.

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Why? If you're the only car in your class, you go into the combo. You win the combo, you're in.



*I've changed my mind, see later post!

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Nah...If I were King, I'd make it ....Single wins, .5 under, and you're in. (just like the National Records)
It would make things far more interesting to watch, IMO

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Looks like NHRA reversed the recent changes to AHFS
https://www.nhraracer.com/content/ge...419&zoneid=132

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To me a class winner is a single car that ran the index. It’s not the racers fault he is the only one.

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Mark, Larry, you have good points, I can go along with that!

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Looks like they changed the .95 under mineshaft back to .85

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Also the 660 and 1000ft times was crossed out. Now Srac let’s get the Ahfs out of Indy.

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I MIGHT be open to that IF the Class Winners are put in.

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Larry, I know you or I didn't add all the classes to Stock they have now but how many classes are there compared to 35 years ago. It's nice to get a class trophy for winning class but if you didn't race anyone did you really win. If you have at least one other in your class I would feel different. Just my opinion. BP

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If they did away with the combo class punishment, so a single class winner could make the field per your view above, I'd be there with both a stocker and a superstocker(assuming I could get in, didn't race as much in 2021)

The combo class deal absolutely kills it for me and many others I am sure!

Eric

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Glen It would be nice if they would at least do it every other year. BP

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You mean we could actually run our cars as hard as we can. No letting off at the thousand feet. Back to quarter mile drag racing. What a cool idea.

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According a post a couple a weeks ago it was said that the only time a .950 mineshaft rule would come in effect was maybe at Indy.
That show how silly everything with this whole thing is.
Indy that time of year probably has the worst D.A on the curcuit(uncorrected tracks) so what are all doing the rest of the year?
Racers just dont want the A.H.F.S work is my conclusion.:)

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Race Dirty There are several combo's that can go fast enough to get hit with HP. But when you're already not the fastest in the class a wise man would protect their HP rating not to fall even more behind the class big dog. Make sense to you. BP

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So how is the system helping you to get closer?

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I think you misunderstood the Indy comment. I think what was said was that Indy might be the only race that would would meet the -.95 mineshaft number. Indy is the one race a year where the best racers from the entire country come together. Even with not so good air you would expect everyone to leave it all on the track. An Indy Class win is the highlight of many racers careers. I’m still trying to get one.

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Is running combo class really out running your opponent :cool: heads Up?

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It's not I didn't say it was. At this point it has as much a chance to hurt me as it does to help. At Cecil County last year, I had a first-round heads up. Round one sheet came out late at night and online. Looked at it to see who I had. No heads up. In the morning they called Juniors up and we were next. My friend went and picked up a sheet, but we thought we already knew who we were going to run. He came back and said the ladder changed and we had a heads up first round. Didn't have time to tune all the way. Not sure how much my opponent was able to. If I ran it out I would have been close to 1.20 under. My opponent has the same combo as I do. Could have hurt the combo bad on that one run. BP

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Ruin Indy even more? Take away 330/660 ? Really? Why not take away the score boards and the et slip at Indy if you don’t want anyone including the Association to know how fast you are.

Hope that was a joke…..

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In 2019 at Indy there were 43 combos in stock. Not sure how to go back to the archives to see how many combos there were in the 70's and 80's. I would have to guess nowhere near that many. BP

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Barry unless I'm reading it wrong, they are just not going to look at the 330/660 for HP adjustments. You should still get that info on your time slips.

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Thanks Barry. So the data will still be available to NHRA?

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I think with it a .95 under, it would never reach mineshaft condition. If they want to get some action from the AFHS they shouldn’t have a mineshaft rule. Somebody must have pushed hard behind the scenes to get that rescinded.

I definitely think that the class winner gets in at Indy should be reinstated without the .50 under rule. It’s a shame they got rid of that. Also no combo class either

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I ran 1981 Indy where there were about 180 drivers battling it out for 96 qualifying spots. All class winners got in no matter if they ran the index or not. Out of the 55 or so classes available then (front wheel drive). I bet of the 96 qualifying spots. At least 45 were class winners Bring on AHFS in that atmosphere.

Paul Haszlauer
7019 stock and SS

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Paul were you able to find 1982 Indy? Where I'd like to look at it.

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[QUOTE=B Parker;656255]It's not I didn't say it was. At this point it has as much a chance to hurt me as it does to help. At Cecil County last year, I had a first-round heads up. Round one sheet came out late at night and online. Looked at it to see who I had. No heads up. In the morning they called Juniors up and we were next. My friend went and picked up a sheet, but we thought we already knew who we were going to run. He came back and said the ladder changed and we had a heads up first round. Didn't have time to tune all the way. Not sure how much my opponent was able to. If I ran it out I would have been close to 1.20 under. My opponent has the same combo as I do. Could have hurt the combo bad on that one run. BP[/QUOTE

My fault on the ladder change. I didn’t make it there until Saturday morning. I think I was the only car to show up on Saturday.

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Race clean “How will that help”?

At the Charlotte rave a few years ago on Sunday it was Heads up race between a 396 Camaro and a LT1 Firebird and both went 1.20 under and got power. Both cars are still great cars just not killer cars.

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Lets hope for many close headsup runs all the way to the finishline then;)

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That race in Charlotte made two of our engines boat anchors. No one heard us complain…in fact we congratulated Jeff on a great run. If we all races like that the AHFS would take care of itself. Fast cars will still be fast cars just in different classes.

Keep crying to the teacher.

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chicken **** nhra just revised automatic help for slugs ahfs rules backwards to what they were >>> no -95 mineshaft etc same as last 10 non working years

Automatic Help For Slugs cannot and will not ever work as long as we control data input and know the "rules"

captain

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At the end of the day it really doesn't matter if AHFS is ON or OFF. The Indy experience is all but dead for the SS/STK.

Quotes down from 180 to 140.
INDY bump is no long a real thing. I mean not that long ago there were 50-60 guys that did not get to race per class. At one time it was a privilege and an accomplishment to get to qualify and run eliminations at the U.S. Nationals.

Class money down from $1200-$1000 for a class win now it might be $300 if there are still three sponsors.

Allstars race moving to INDY pushing class and eliminations to an after though.

combos running -1.20 plus under to will class with no penalty

lack of teardown or staff that knows what there looking at. I think there might be 4-5 NHRA staff that actually know how to check a stk or ss car.

Combo class eliminations. This just sucks I will never understand how or why two single need to run each other for a $135 trophy.

no class winner bump in

Not racing on (Labor Day) Monday

These are what has killed the U.S. Nationals for most of us.
Until these things change INDY will never get better for STK/SS. lets Talk about there real issues.

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Boy Charlie-Bob, you pretty well nailed it!

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How many guys think Lonnie is making progress by listening to the racers and also by managing the Technical Department more effectively?
Forget about reversing the rules that have been bastardized for the past thirty years, but enforcing the rule book as it's written today in my mind is his core responsibility.
How does he do this with the current resources he has?

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INDY has been ruined for those that work on there cars! aHFS will never work and the less car counts the more is does not work. So all the bitching to the AHFS and changes. Time wasted! Biggest race of NHRA and it’s a joke for Stock and Super Stock because this was a Performmance based class. Now a bracket race!