2008 rules changes
 

new rules changes posted on the NHRA division 5 website for 2008. of note is Super Street with oil retention devices? Super Gas and Super Comp under data recorder list 'no drivetrain sensors' What does that mean? Does it mean no fuel pressure, oil pressure, trans temp or trans pressure sensors? Here is the link.

http://www.nhradiv5.com/apcm/templat...5677&zoneid=15

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Hey Henry

It says Super Street MAY use.... it is not mandatory.
I think they mean a drive shaft sensor.

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but is it mandatory for any car over 135?

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The rules listed are too vague. Why have a diaper on a 126 mph Super gas car but not require one on a tube chassis 632 cubic inch 160 mph Super street car? As far as drivetrain sensors, if driveshaft sensors are allowed on ET cars why not the Super catagory cars? The rule lists drivetrain sensors. These could be interpreted as anything in the drivetrain from engine to shock sensors.

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They made us take our driveshaft sensors out for the 5-day bracket race in Bradenton, an NHRA sanctioned track.

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(The rule lists drivetrain sensors.) AKA counters! The drive shaft sensor can be use with the ignition timing to retard or advance, or speed up or slow down the car(ET)

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Jeeezzz...anyone want to buy a useless data recorder ????

What is it with NHRA, so they really believe that there is enough guys out there cheating with this stuff ? And do I really think that the tech guy is gonna crawl under my car to see if I have a driveshaft sensor ? Or I cant hide it from him under a shield or something ?

Why is it they allow all kinds of expensive stuff, we save up for a couple of years to buy it (like I just did last year), and then all of a sudden...nope cant use that anymore...wtf...

And why dont all fast cars need a SFI diaper ( ooppps wait buy a SFI one but we fooled you it only has to be "approved")...Are you telling me that my 496 cube 155 mph SG car is more likely to spit out the rods than the DIV1 SST champs 555 cube 150+ mph SST car ? (he will say yes cause I built it myself !)

And how about the new helmet rule ? I still see guys wearing the open face ones (dunno why )...now not only a full face but with a shield (I'm assuming that visor means shield)...I see the Comp guys have to wear a SA rated one in an open car, how many if us are still using a "M" rated one...you door car guys better get some anti-fog stocked up...Matt S I still have that really cool helmet you gave me, I'll give it back cause you need it now...

By the way I can see the writing on the wall that we will all need a HANS some time soon, I'm not against them but its a pretty expensive deal for a low budget racer...wait will it need to be SFI approved (of course until after you buy it then no)...

And how come unless you basically have a 7.49 or quicker car, you dont have to wear protective shoes...what they dont want me to burn my fingers but anything goes with my toes ?

And what the heck....now I have to make up a rube goldberge pipe to add to my portable 1K generator that I use to charge my batteries that sticks above my tailer ? Oh wait...will it need to be SFI certified ?

Really I just wanted to see what it was like to make a long post like Jason....:-)

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ALLRIGHT......wings must be non-adjustable during the run.....whoever is running AILERONS on their car, let's see it, I want to see it. As a matter of fact, I want to see wings sprout out from under a Super Comp car and have it take off at the top end......now that would be cool.

At least my thrust reversers are still legal.

I do like rules promoting safety.....but can seem cumbersome like anything else

--steve

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put shoes on Dave and noboby will see your toes.That post was so long i thought Jason typed it.

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The funny part is that we have all this stuff that must be manditory for us to wear in S/G, Comp, S/C but last time I was at a divisional event early in 2007 Super Stockers or Stockers still could wear just a jacket with any kind of pants they wanted and no gloves and some of them are running in the mid 8's and some stockers are running Super Gas times. Go Figure....Don't worry Dave you can always come run some MASGA races with us in 08.... :)

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Techdept. in Georgia div.race this year told me and Bob Fuller that the Hans device was coming soon too in the sportsman classes.It'll be real hard to spin your head around with that on..

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"And why dont all fast cars need a SFI diaper ( ooppps wait buy a SFI one but we fooled you it only has to be "approved")...Are you telling me that my 496 cube 155 mph SG car is more likely to spit out the rods than the DIV1 SST champs 555 cube 150+ mph SST car ? (he will say yes cause I built it myself !)"

You mean "is more likely to spit out the rods than" anybody with a larger cid. Thanks for the kiss of death buddy.

"And what the heck....now I have to make up a rube goldberge pipe to add to my portable 1K generator that I use to charge my batteries that sticks above my tailer ? Oh wait...will it need to be SFI certified ?"

Dave, just leave the 1K on the roof , end of story.

"By the way I can see the writing on the wall that we will all need a HANS some time soon, I'm not against them but its a pretty expensive deal for a low budget racer...wait will it need to be SFI approved (of course until after you buy it then no)..."

Good thing I dont have to turn my head


Gary

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9.4 Generators

All generators, air compressors, etc., that are powered by an internal combustion engine must have the exhaust directed up and above the top of the trailer, truck, RV, tent/awning, etc.


This has to only apply to I would think or at least hope to onboard generators, you def would have to rube something up to make some of those generators out there fit the bill. Seems like NHRA may be thinking of going into the small generator exhaust business or has a piece of a company that does.

Gary Federico
S/St #11

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(Good thing I dont have to turn my head)
Gary

WANNA BET?

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Moreover, how about a rule for those idiots who put their annoying generators in their neighbor's pit spot? Me and my uncle were about to kill one of our neighbors at the Dutch who kept his on constantly and was loud as hell. Oh yeah, and he moved it about 15 feet in front of his truck so it was only 20 feet from us since we were parked perpendicular. If you don't want to hear it, why do you think we do? Have some consideration for your fellow racers.

Kelli
1236 S/ST

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re drive shaft sensors: they know who the cheaters are. ban one for life and let us honest racers move on. i agree with the gen deal but they should be more specific on application. car is all back together after drive shaft and pinon gear let loose. boy was that a expensive hit.

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Ernie et al,

presume the full-face helmet rule is meant to deal with accidents like Chick Ross' -- although I recall that he was wearing a full-face helmet (unfortunately I think the visor was up, not down...).

interesting too that a methanol and/or NOS car quicker than 7.49 (T/D territory) will require a -15 firesuit and gloves/boots... lots of $$, and I believe the -15 stuff has an expiration of 5 years... that'll be a lot more expensive than the Gen-Turi (generator) exhaust kit...

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re:scott mackie top dragster why' on the latter 1st round the fastest car say 6sec gets a 7.20 car check the stats. 6sec cars rarley get by 1st rd same in top sport. so why should someone run 6 sec when he can run s/c and not need all that 15 stuffn still go 211 in super comp have a chane at whinning a round or two. we all no going 6 sec is exp. it seem the throttle stop is easy on my car and track cond is not important. guess what i plan to next year

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http://www.camco.net/Menu.cfm?SupCat...ProductId=2216

The least expensive exhaust for m/h or trailer.

Gary

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Your so helpfull!! Too bad your going south or should I say too bad I'm headed NORTH !!

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Speaking of Mr Ross, any one know how he is making out ?? Hopefully on the mend..

And is there anything we can learn by that accident, any things to do to our rides to make them safe as possible ?

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On NHRA.com the full face helmet rule is not listed. I know it says its not the complete list of changes but anyone know if this is for sure? Doesn't affect me because i wear one all the time but i know a lot of you OLD guys..LOL...don't like the full face ones.

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Slick vic,
everything listed in the DIV 5 website is in the 2008 rulebook. I still think alot of the rule are too vague and need some clarification. the question is who is the right person to clarify. One division might say one thing and another the total opposite. I would hate to drive 1000 miles not to be legal.

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being one of the "old guys" i would hate a full face helmet, btw, why a sheild? what the heck is that big peice of lexan in front of me for? i can only see this as some sort of wrong interpatation as it is under general regs, i hope it was ment as for open body cars only, hence the reference to goggles and sheilds, (i hope). and vic, you are not getting any younger:eek:

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Hi all,
I just got the rule book and it says on page 132 section 7 - Super Gas, Driver: 10 Helmet: "For all closed-bodied cars, a full-face Snell M2000,M2005 K98,K2005, SA2005, SFI 31.2A or 41.2A helmet mandatory: shield permitted (googles prohibited)

It says open body cars the shield is mandatory.

Regards to all
Pat Iannone

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well lets see if i can squeeze some more money out of my *****. new helmet, diaper, re-certification, renew licence, physical, new belts, and i'm sure there is more, all this is around $1000, all before i can make a pass! think i'll drive (race) the street car!

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Kieth your right my knees and back tell me every morning...and im only 25.

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I don't see the driveshaft sensor rule...only in super street...because it's entry level like Gary's

2008 rules changes
 

My spanking new 2008 rule book say the rules for S/G are the same as S/ST with the following exceptions. Then it says the S/C rules are the same as S/G except for the following exceptions.
No where do I see an exception pertaining to this!

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very entertaining wandering around PRI yesterday inquiring of the safety-related manufacturers when they were planning to have -15 shoes and gloves available for everybody running 7.49 or quicker with methanol and/or NOS... no one apparently makes a -15 shoe, nor -15 gloves... imagine you're at Atco for their Saturday night bracket program -- and you'll have 50 guys standing around in the lanes with their -15 firesuits, -20 (Funny Car) booties and -20 gloves... yah, right...

Simpson, Bell, Impact, Taylor all confirmed that there was zero consultation with them before the new rules came out...

expect a number of clarifications before the season starts... you wonder when the track owners will start bitching up a storm when they figure out that half of their fields are either non-compliant, or staying home...
unless they come up with a different set of rules or cheaper alternatives, looks like it'll cost you close to $2000 to run TD or fast brackets on alcohol or spray... before you buy that tube to exhaust your generator onto the roof of the motorhome parked next door...

srm

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we need to wait for a few clarifications....

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Take a look at the new specs for crotch strap mounts...most dragsters,roadsters won't conform ...after all these years ,this is changed??

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I think the generator exhaust rule is the best rule they have ever made. We have been using the Gen-Turi stacks for several years now. I have always said they should be manditory. As close as we all are in the pits I don't people think about all the Carbon Monoxide.

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Didnt get my rulebook yet (mailman must be reading it)...what's the new rule for the crotch strap ?

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crotch belt must be anchored behind the chestline....this will have us move the tube back quite a bit in most cars...

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Thanks Duane...I have to look at mine, it might actually be under my butt which would probably be ok...
But of course, the slot in my Kirkey is out farther than that so will they make me cut a new hole in the seat ? Probably no one will ever look....

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Technically, the crotch strap has always had to be mounted back farther than it is in most cars... ...... Years ago, at Indy, I was told my attachment point was too far front.. ......... When I questioned where the proper placement was supposed to be, I was told by a Div 3 tech man" I want to look down the top of your head and out your ***** hole and see the mounting bolt". Sure made it easy to remember . .......Tom

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Talked to my local track tech director today at work. He says the full face helmet thing is only for open ****pit cars to eliminate the goggles. They don't want anyone wearing goggles any more. i also heard we can run non sfi diapers this year but will need sfi diapers next year. and hans device? what et/mph break will this be needed.


hahaha it won't let me say c0ckpit

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This is Dennis Ridgeway DRE ,I met with NHRA many times at PRI as of Sat night This is what will happen Danny told me the wording was wrong they will post something on web,I know this is messed up but they are getting it straightened out.Also they have said in a SFI meeting and NHRA that the 7.2 is not going to be required for sportsman cars and they have no intentions to in the future.This is DIRECTLY FROM NHRA AND THE SFI MEETING . They have a chart of each class and diaper requirements that I gave them to simplify things , Danny said he would print.So with all of this said please be patience lets see what happens .This is as frustraiting for me as it is for all of the racers Thanks Dennis Ridgeway

(this was taken from dennis's post)
Slick, how does binky know what is going on when nhra has not made a decison yet?
all these rules need to be worked out soon, so we will know what to buy!

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Bunky didn't say anything about the diaper. I just asked him about the helmet for my partner Alan because he wears an open face helmet. Heard the diaper thing elsewhere. I still haven't bought one yet.