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It seems the Div 5 Director has gotten a jump on the other DD's, in getting the word out on the rule changes for 2008. Go to D5 home page for the link, or see the post on the .90 forum for the hyperlink. .....Of particular interest to those of us in Stock, besides the combining of carbs & efi, AA/S which have been common knowledge for some time, is the allowing of accumulators {accusumps}, in Stock! ....... Also allowed is, finaly, the replacement of All valve seats. .......The Biggest one tho, is the allowance of ANY valve job,with a bottom cut no deeper than .250" below the seat. Happy reading, Tom ................. Also in general regulations generators must have a stack extending above the top of the trailer.

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Hmmmm, interesting. A three speed powerglide???

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Very, Probably available only from a NHRA licensed dealer!! LOL ...........Tom

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Did you look at the new generator rule???? It appears to apply to anyone who has a generator...even the portable models such as the 1000 and 2000 watt generators made by Honda and others. What a crock of baloney.

9.99 and quicker are now required to have a full face helmet.

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Now I just wanna know about index changes.

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8.3 Ignition




All TDC pointers must be pinned to prevent removal.



Don't understand this rule
Maybe someone can explain it to me.

As for my 2000 Honda invertor I'll put it on the roof of the trailer before I put a pipe on it.

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I think we will see a lot of generators vibrating off the roofs this season. Will NHRA make us wear crash helmets in the pits.

Wonder if helmet rule is also for 135 mph and quicker?


Gary Federico
S/St #11

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No problem for us. We'll just move ours to the top of the "etc,". An old English teacher told me that MOST people use "etc." when they've run out of actual words to use. In that case, I'll pick my own next word; GROUND. I'll keep mine above the ground. Anyone else?

Jerry

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It says "directed up and above".

So I guess if you have an open trailer and do not use an EZ Up or something like that you can set the generator on the top of the open trailer and be OK.

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looks like april fools day

if not

then the dummys made every head in stok or supr stok obsolete

can you say $1,000.00

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What exactly is a three speed poweglide??

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Two speed with overdrive. LOL!!! GM must have built thousands of them...right?? LOL!

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now these rules pretain to all divisions? i havent seen any thing on the nhra site the one that intrest me the most is the accusump/any valve job angle for stock gmonde

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I found out what the TDC pointer rule is. If you have this style of pointer, they must be pinned as apparantly the pointer pin has been known to fall out.
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...907_detail.jpg








Disclaimer: Just using this brand as an example for a picture only.

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The rules change on heads is going to cost you a good deal of time and money. All seats and any valve job? Wow....Stock has had the same valvejob rules since the beginning. Now they throw that out the window too......And you can add an oil accumulator....that is a good rule. Stock is fading away.......they should change the name to Almost SuperStock. I'm glad I'm out of it.

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Why does anyone need an accumulator? If they need one then they have an issue with oil pressure, then they have not done their homework on their oil pan. You can buy a stock looking oil pan from many manufacturers with trap doors and/or baffles that will prevent oil pressure loss when you slam on the brakes or wheelstand. Milodon, Canton and Kevko make these type of pans. Many will make the case that their oil pressure drops during decceleration and the reason why the need the accumulator, but the reality is that it allows for a lower oil level in the oil pan, reducing windage and freeing up horsepower.

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Oil Accumulator...I use mine mainly for start-up. Since I drain the water between races, it doesn't get started until just before the next event. The accumulator puts 70# of oil pressure into the motor before starting.

Also, since my motor goes through the lights at 9,700 RPM, I just get a little better feeling knowing there is plenty of oil available, if needed.

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Ray...I do not see a problem with a Super Stock car using the accumulator, specially yours with a Comp style engine...however, we are talking about Stock Eliminator cars.

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I find it kinda bizarre that the 08 Rule Changes are only posted on the Division 5 site and no where else, but a big thanks to NHRA for letting us know about Ashley Force?s engagement?????.whatever!

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Can somebody help me with what does "pinned" mean on the pointer ?????????

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Anything that might help you reduce the chance for bottom end failures is good and that's why I said it was a good rule. Yes it will enable people to run less oil and maybe pick up some power if they choose to risk it. I had an aftermarket pan and really never looked at my oil pressure anytime during a run. I had no E-shift so my eyes were always on the tach or somewhere else other than the gauge.

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What I don't understand is that if these rules are meant to "reduce failures" then why they do not allow roller rockers or even pushrod guide plates. Neither will give a distinct performance improvement, but would reduce failures at one of the weakest points on a stocker engine. Both are legal per IHRA rules. This is assuming that this list of rule revisions is accurate and complete.

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How many, if any, of these pointers have fallen out? Just currious; It must have been alot, and they must have caused flat tires, or the NHRA wouldn't even notice them. Is someone trying to sell drill bits and pins now, or what?

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Come on Don! everybody needs to know everything "Force" , just ask any NHRA exec. LOL. ......We can be thankful at least Rob Park was thinking about giving his racers a heads up on the changes. .......... I dont know about timing pointers, but I've seen a lot of other junk laying on the track at the end of the day!! ................some of these rules are certainly "interesting" ,but requiring stacks on permantly mounted generators is one that makes sense and is way over due. .....Last year a tailgater died at a Penn State game due to carbon monoxide. ........... Think about how close we are pitted together at some races,and it amazing it has'nt happened to one of us. .....I know I always check my CO detector in the motorhome to make sure it's functional. .............As far as the valve job rule goes , I'm glad I did'nt freshen my heads yet!. ..........Tom

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Im using a small Honda generator that I carry and set behind our open trailer... def not building a stack if I head to an NHRA event.

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Do these companies make good baffled oil pans for Buick 350's? And every other combination?

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They anguish for months over buttons et al, take polls and ask input and yet trannys and valve jobs fall out of the sky from nowhereland. As Alice in Wonderland said...."it gets curiouser and curiouser"

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I know that Kevko, Canton and Milodon has the pans for the Chevy engines. Canton has the pans for the Ford and Pontiac applications. Also, I have talked to Kevko, Canton and even Joey Steffanucci (Stef's Oil Pans), they all said they can modify any stock pan with the same provisions.

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Promoting flow bench sales I guess?

You can run a car with 2000 pop rivets in it down the track, but you gotta pin the timing pointer? Weird.:confused:

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http://www.camco.net/Menu.cfm?SupCat...ProductId=2216

Least expensive generator exhaust "Gen Turri" I've seen $ 106.00

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If rivets are installed properly, they do not fall off...if that was the case, airplanes would be falling off the sky everyday...:)

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actually they loose rivets too...but not as many so they fall apart!

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I guess anything to make the CO2 less of an issue, but I am not sure how these small gen sets are going to affix a stack on them yet? I wish they would have added a db max on them though. How many times have you had some a hole buy the biggest Craftsman generator with a 12 hp briggs and no muffler along with a 500 ft extension cord. Oh yeah, they can't buy a good muffler for it, but they spring for the wheel kit so they can park it next to your pit area! LOL>

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We pick up more Dzus fasteners and tools than anything else every week.....still can't understand the timing pointer thing.


Riddle me this Batmen:
If you add an oil accumulator, and it "activates", where does the oil to re-fill it come from? (this is a rhetorical question)

Seems to me to be a zero gain deal.....you either starve it during the operation, or after, but any oil flowing from a wet sump pump is diverted to re-fill the accumulator anyway, seems like a waste of time/dollars for anything other than pre-priming the engine on startup.

How do you get the oil in the accumulator up to operating temperature?

I ran a stocker type pan with zero oil pressure in shutdown for years, and never scuffed a bearing. :confused: Just lucky I guess? Of course, I let my stuff run pretty well flooded with oil, in regards to pump volume, clearances, and metering, not the way I'd run a class engine for HP.

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This is from the Accesump site:

"On initial start-up when the valve on the oil side is opened the pressurized oil is released into the engine and therefore pre-lubricating the engine prior to start-up.

The Accusump holds whatever oil pressure the engine has at the time that it is shut off.

After the engine is started and the oil pump has taken over, oil is pumped back into the Accusump.

This moves the piston back and pressurizes the Accusump until it equalizes with engine's oil pressure.

While driving, if the engine's oil pressure is interrupted for any reason, the Accusump releases its oil reserve again, keeping the engine lubricated until the engine's oil pressure comes back to normal.

This release of oil could last from 15 to 60 seconds, depending on the size and speed of the engine.

In racing or hard driving conditions, the Accusump will automatically fill and discharge when needed as you corner, accelerate and brake."

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In regards to the accusump deal, it is a good safety investment no different than wheelie bars. I have one on my super stocker and in Fontana this year I came down out of the wheelstand and crushed the oil pan into the pickup thus starving the engine for oil. It wasn't a violent wheelstand, so I didn't realize this had happened. The accusump was pumping whatever oil was in it to help so the engine wasn't starved as I went the rest of the way down the track. Yes I did burn up a couple of bearings, but without the accusump I most likely would have blown up the entire motor. It was kind of cool to watch it on the racepak as you can literally see the accusump trying to make up for the lost engine oil pressure. So, this is nothing but a positive precautionary opportunity and if you don't think it's worth it, don't put one on. I do not believe it says mandatory anywhere in the rule revision.

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My new 2008 rule book arrived today. .....Everything outlined on the Div5 site is correct according to the rule book. .......The valve job example that has been in the general regulation section since forever is gone!!........................It seems they will need to be more specific about the generator stack requirement,it reads pretty much the same, very vague,not specifically mentioning portable units as opposed to permantly mounted. ..........The TDC pointer /pin is under section 8:3 and does not elaborate or specify classes affected or type of pointer...........Tom

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2 step in IHRA stock still legal??

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Pointer shown in picture from Bob Gullett 12/05/07 regardless of brand... if this is what NHRA is wanting to be pinned, ok I'll play. Today we took the first of many pointers from one of the engines in the shop for freshining and upon trying to remove the pin from the body of the adjustable piece we found the pin to have a nail head so as it can't slip out... we checked a few more and found the same thing... guess the people that developed these figured out that aluminum grows more than steel at the same temp and made it so it wouldn't slip out. Hope someone will point this out to the managment as they don't listen to me. For now ours will look pinned even tho it's useless

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I did the same on my engine. Took 5 minutes to drill it and install a roll pin. Mine was an ATI and I guarantee it was impossible for it to have fallen out.