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SO I made three runs and never hooked up .? I thought it was my car but after looking At nhra.tv very few cars were leaving right? Of course sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees am I wrong?.

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I was watching all the divisional races this weekend. The crew at Indy looked like they were trying to do the best they could.

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I picked my spots and didn’t have any issues.

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Watch Super Stock to verify what. Happened

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My best 60’ was only a 1.22 and it normally goes 1.15! Every time I tried to turn it up I spun

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My car varied .003 in 60 ft through the first 5 runs including test and tune.Then picked up about .01 in Round 1.
I thought Brad was doing a great job on the starting line and I thought the track was great.And both lanes were equal for me.
I guess it depends what kind of car you race.Can't say enough about how well Hoosier tires work on my car also.

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[QUOTE=Don Kennedy;661823]SO I made three runs and never hooked up .? /QUOTE]

So you made three runs and spun the tires on every run AND qualified in the top 4?

And almost the number 1 qualifier and never hooked up???

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I suspect Super Stockers spun more after watching the higher class cars

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[QUOTE=442OLDS;661840]Normally my 60fts at that air are 1.20 each run never hit the wheelie bars and had every run a1.24 60 ft not sure this was not my quote lol

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[QUOTE=Don Kennedy;661845] My 60 ft times were off,but consistent.I had a correction factor of 1.085 on Friday.The air was pretty bad.If it wasn't for the wind,I would have been really slow.

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[QUOTE=442OLDS;661840]Correct

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Was told this weekend that the local track started using the VP brand of traction compound because the VHT/PJ1 was out os stock nation wide.was told this happened 3 weeks ago when they went to get a drum.Noticed at the Ennis race this weekend a lot of S/S cars had trouble,especially when track temp went up.Seems I remember NHRA used it some years ago and did not stay long with it and if I recall,it did not like the summer heat.....Victor Penrod

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We didn't have any issues with our Super Stock cars. And the track seemed good for the comp car. We just threw too much at the starting line when we spun.

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Allen, I have watched your Car many, many times and on NHRA.TV it was leaving lazy as if anyone has time look at Superstock qualifying and see the higher power cars all left very very lazy very simple to see example Kenny Schindler Corvette More cars are spinning or leaving like a pig than not watch this coming weekend you will see a well-prepped track at Bowling Green My sixty ft will be around 1,17 to 1,19 in bad air LOl I hope

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I just watched the Friday qualifying for Superstock and 75% of the Super Stockers spun. I am not whining about my first-round runner up I was beaten fair and square i actually had my best redlight ever with a -003 I dialed for the spin a 14 went a 16 lol at me.

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Don,
With all due respect, can you list the 50 or so cars (75%) that spun? Also, whatÂ’s your definition of spin? My dad followed you in the right lane on Q1. I was standing behind your car when you left as I was lining him up. I did not see your car spin. I think you still went 1.25 in 60Â’. I raced you last October in St. Louis and you went 1.21 in 60Â’. The weather in St. Louis was nowhere near the 1.0889 correction and 28.70 barometer that we had in Indy this past weekend.

I donÂ’t believe there were any issues with the racetrack this past weekend.

Can you post a picture of your data log from the runs you spun? IÂ’d be curious to see the RPM spike.

Nick

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I do have the graph showing the spin by the way> The spike on the 1,2 shift is huge . Normally My 60ft are around 1.17 to 1.21 depending on the track. It is simple to watch the higher class cars not even wheel standing do the math on the cars not leaving strong. By the way I used to take timing out on the leave 4 years ago on bad tracks. FYI Which car is yours ? what class what engine? does it have a lot of torque?

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I’m sure the barometer had more to do with the lazy wheel stands than poor track prep. The wheel stands seemed to come around Sunday morning. In fact, I seen a few cars fail to make adjustments from Saturday which resulted in them unloading on the wheelie bars.

Spike on the 1-2…are you spinning down track?

My car is 2003 mustang, FGT/H, no torque for me, it’s a turd off the line.

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Here anyone can watch the Super stockers Spin start at 1.50 By the way there is a huge difference in torque vs other cars with my combination and most higher class cars All the copos spun the Hemis spun and the corvette This is the link to look at the ones who are spinning or not hooking If you do not have the subscription you will not be able to watch
https://www.nhra.tv/watch/div-3-luca...-park-friday-1

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Nick text me your cell \phone and i can show you the graph 602 284 6240

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Admittedly, I didn’t watch the video. However, I did go to live timing and looked at Q1. I see 1-2 cars that may have had problems, not 75% of the field.

There was nothing wrong with the track. There was at least two runs made in Top Dragster that were sub 6.00. I think there was fast runs made in Top Sportsman. I even think Antron Brown made a half track pass in his Top Fuel car Thursday!

Brad and crew did a great job!

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They did a great job of trying to prep the track but the stuff they were using I suspect is the same stuff used at Pomona and Vegas which is not PJ1
Superstock is not Top sportsman or top Dragster a totally a different animal for track prep they were using the wrong stuff is the problem

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Nick;
I have a graph on every single run for the last 10 years. I have the graph from the last race at Bowling Green which I had a 1.19 60 ft. The car spun a little in the 1 to 2 shift but overall it was a good run,

Now the graph on the race that I Lost at indy when I red-lighted shows the car spinning on the leave as well as a huge spike on the 1to 2 shift also a little amount of spinning down track by the way the tires are fresh. this spinning shows up on the accel G meter and also shows the car spinning as the gs are up and down > if you want I have the graphs on my laptop as well as My phone I can show the condition of the track for the higher HP cars at indy this year was not prepped with the correct glue I just bet on it The glue was different. I am not blaming the track crew just the glue that was being used is worthless not their fault

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When I first made a run I actually thought it was my car >
It was not the tires they were fresh, so I thought oh no the converter is gone, then my thoughts were maybe the trans so I looked up How many runs I had on the convertor and the trans but not drastically too many runs on them I think?I have a fresh convertor but my other trans is getting freshening up Then I realized after watching other cars the issue was the track as they were not leaving normal. I watch a lot lol at me
Now I suspect it is the glue that was being used at Indy will see for sure after the first run at Bowling Green if My suspicions are correct about the glue or not. talking is cheap lol

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Adapting to the track conditions is a big part of the game. Or you can just complain about it.

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Correct
By the way, I need some advice I lowered the rpm chip on the leave, adjusted the front shocks and adjusted the rear shocks and changed the tire pressure in the rear tires, move to a different spot on the starting line took the weight off the front? I took a few degrees of timing for a little while, also let me know what else I can do to make the car hook up on a slick track just asking ??? oh by the way the convertor is fresh and the trans is fresh plus the rear tires were new with 5 runs on them I will wait for Your advice I did forget I tried 3 different tire pressures

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You come to this board to complain often. Perhaps you need a new hobby.

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That's not bad advice by the way been racing since 1963 and getting too many birthdays lol at me

I really was not complaining I was just pointing out a common problem at the past indy points race with a whole lot of cars spinning.
I do remember in 1977 at Pomona My Super Stocker was not working right so I checked the trans fluid just before I won class I will just double check that at Bowling Green

The common trait at Pomona and Vegas is the glue being used does not work!.

back to the advice do you have any other advice for me to try on a slick track? I will wait for Your advice

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Hi Don curious- are you running Radials or Bias tires ??

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Radials. The issue is the glue being used most of the SS ers spin or left lazy.
Remember I am a starting line snob, a pit space snob, and a hotel snob other than that I am ok lol

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I wasn’t offering any advice.

I run Super Street on 9” radials and sometimes the track gets me too. I chose a sensitive combo so I don’t complain about it.

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I would have a set of Bias tires just for days like that. You lose a little et but I think you have the HP to overcome that.

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ok I think I have made my point so this is the" last post "after 5262 looks . My point was the track prep was either not done with the Correct VHT (PJ1") or the vht (PJ! was diluted beyond its usefulness .as verified by again watching the live streaming this was a "fun post" by the Way NHRA pay attention to us as "Will said we are NHRA customers" and I am sure the issue will be addressed see all at Bowling where the correct "glue " will be used and if anyone would like the rest of the story call PJ1 office in where the family is running the company I have not seen or talked to since PJ's health is not great the last I heard see all at BG where Your car will hook big time this has been fun lol .........

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I'm not an expert but have experience using both at Speedworld. Chasing bald spots and gluing past 60ft would be addressed with rosin and s pressurized container with straight glue. If the track diluted the glue that was sprayed on entire track that can be a problem. But using the 2 items listed above has always cured the first 100 ft. even in AZ heat. My experienced opinion is both items work well and track usually goes with best deal. Sometimes it's a labor thing that is needed. Wasn't there and don't have an opinion on their efforts.

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More than likely what happened and what is happening at almost all the tracks at the current moment is they are out of PJ1 and there is no ETA on when it will be available. So VP is being used and it takes a entirely different process

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i wasnt there but im absolutely positive i woulda hooked just fine :):)

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I had no issues in the Ranger ;):)

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That's funny right there. Tom Dillman.